K92 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 25 minutes ago, 94zipgrad said: I understand how the tickets work, they are sold tickets, not butts in seat but I have been at all games & attendance is up. So we are avg. over 20k a game right now. The school doesn’t buy tickets till the end to get the avg up to 15k minimum so there is a chance they may actually hit it, only need 10k a game from here on to hit the 90k needed Soooooo, what you're saying is the attendance figures so far are legit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94zipgrad Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, K92 said: Soooooo, what you're saying is the attendance figures so far are legit? I kind of see why no one likes a select few in here, please don’t try & put words in my mouth, I’m just saying we are averaging 20k a game, if we hit 15k we don’t have to buy 4K tickets a game like we did last year & pass that cost of approximately $1,100 per student on to there tuition, win, win, don’t care how they come up with the numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) On 10/9/2017 at 3:17 PM, 94zipgrad said: I kind of see why no one likes a select few in here, please don’t try & put words in my mouth, I’m just saying we are averaging 20k a game, if we hit 15k we don’t have to buy 4K tickets a game like we did last year & pass that cost of approximately $1,100 per student on to there tuition, win, win, don’t care how they come up with the numbers Ticket sales the 1st 2 games were padded. Those tickets the University buys aren't really hurting them financially. They are both the payor and payee in said scenario. It would be like if I decided to change my oil and changed myself $25 dollars to do it. I still own that $25 but it was just moved to another account. Would it be great to have a football program that financially supported itself? Certainly, but at only $60 for season tickets and $15 for single game, the University would need to average much more than 15k per game to break even on football. That attendance is an arbitrary number provided my NCAA. The real number that matters is how much external revenue the program generates less the cost of running the program. Edited October 10, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 28 minutes ago, 94zipgrad said: I kind of see why no one likes a select few in here, please don’t try & put words in my mouth, I’m just saying we are averaging 20k a game, if we hit 15k we don’t have to buy 4K tickets a game like we did last year & pass that cost of approximately $1,100 per student on to there tuition, win, win, don’t care how they come up with the numbers Wow. My post was that offensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94zipgrad Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just stop, been hashed out a 1,000 Times already but you gotta avg 15k to be D1, hopefully we don’t need to buy this year & we play P5’s for paydays & need bowl games to help fund which is also still on the table, try some positive thoughts & even you will feel happier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Bowl games actually lose us money. I'm still all for bowl games but don't be mistaken thinking they bring us closer to the black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cykron Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 On 10/9/2017 at 2:35 PM, kreed5120 said: Ticket sales the 1st 2 games were padded. Those tickets the University buys aren't really hurting them financially. They are both the payor and payee in said scenario. It would be like if I decided to charge my oil and changed myself $25 dollars to do it. I still own that $25 but it was just moved to another account. Would it be great to have a football program that financially supported itself? Certainly, but at only $60 for season tickets and $15 for single game, the University would need to average much more than 15k per game to break even on football. That attendance is an arbitrary number provided my NCAA. The real number that matters is how much external revenue the program generates less the cost of running the program. Does it really work this way? If so, then anybody with a 20k stadium could claim to have sellouts every week, just by buying the tickets themselves, and thus maintain their FBS qualification. I thought they had to be actual ticket sales, albeit perhaps at a significant discount to a corporation or donor. And obviously, they don't have to be butts in the seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 31 minutes ago, Cykron said: Does it really work this way? If so, then anybody with a 20k stadium could claim to have sellouts every week, just by buying the tickets themselves, and thus maintain their FBS qualification. I thought they had to be actual ticket sales, albeit perhaps at a significant discount to a corporation or donor. And obviously, they don't have to be butts in the seats. Its exactly how it works. The deterrent isn't the attendance requirements, its the fact that a poorly supported program will lose schools several million dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 17 hours ago, Cykron said: And obviously, they don't have to be butts in the seats. This can not be repeated enough. It's bad enough that our ticket sales are struggling without Akron fans on here calling for us to be held to a standard that literally no other venue in the country uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, ZachTheZip said: This can not be repeated enough. It's bad enough that our ticket sales are struggling without Akron fans on here calling for us to be held to a standard that literally no other venue in the country uses. Who is calling for that? The attendance requirement should just be done away with. It is a requirement that is easily finagled and no D1 program is going to lose their D1 status for attendance. The NCAA doesn't have the hair. A lot more programs than just Akron are in this boat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Before Liberty moved up, I would agree with you that the attendance requirement should be removed, because of the requirement that move-ups have to have a conference invitation in-hand before the move. Liberty removed that requirement with the threat of anti-trust lawsuits and now any program can be FBS as an independent. So now the only real barrier to moving up is the attendance requirement, which is really just a financial barrier. Only teams that are serious about it will make the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Attendance requirement is irrelevant TBH. Averaging 15k fans at the ticket prices Akron charges isn't some magical break even number in terms of revenue meeting expenses. Its already well documented that schools that don't meet the 15k fans fudge the numbers so that's no barrier whatsoever. The barrier is whether schools feel the deficit a program runs will be offset by advertising, alumni relations, college atmosphere, etc. that college athletics brings to the University. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Bottom Line. If this is the year we are required to hit our 15k, we will find a way to get it done. To some of the naive posters out there, this doesn't include finding ways to get the required people to line up at our gates and buy tickets. That isn't going to happen. Meeting the requirement is all about what is going on behind the scenes to "sell tickets". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, skip-zip said: Bottom Line. If this is the year we are required to hit our 15k, we will find a way to get it done. To some of the naive posters out there, this doesn't include finding ways to get the required people to line up at our gates and buy tickets. That isn't going to happen. Meeting the requirement is all about what is going on behind the scenes to "sell tickets". Is there anyone that actually believes that? I think we're all in agreement here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 50 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: Attendance requirement is irrelevant TBH. Averaging 15k fans at the ticket prices Akron charges isn't some magical break even number in terms of revenue meeting expenses. Its already well documented that schools that don't meet the 15k fans fudge the numbers so that's no barrier whatsoever. The barrier is whether schools feel the deficit a program runs will be offset by advertising, alumni relations, college atmosphere, etc. that college athletics brings to the University. Exactly. Imho there shouldn't even be athletics budgets. It/they should all be categorized under Advertising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cykron Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 4 hours ago, ZachTheZip said: Liberty removed that requirement with the threat of anti-trust lawsuits and now any program can be FBS as an independent. Interesting. Didn't know that, but not really surprised. Liberty goes for what it wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 4 hours ago, zippy5 said: Is there anyone that actually believes that? Yes. 94zipgrad posed the question about whether we had a chance to get to 15k, and whether being in the hunt for a title was what was needed to surpass the required number. And asked if he was being a clueless newcomer. That's what started the current path of the conversation, and that's what prompted my response that you saw. So, I'd say it's not accurate at all to assume that everyone here knows what's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94zipgrad Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Wow, I didn’t intend to stir up this again, I just wondered what the attendance was & was saying we are averaging over 20k a game. I know how it works, I give out a lot of tickets every week from a corporate purchase program. So I first hand understand. Regardless how they are purchased, plus students are free but they count, regardless the number is up & there has been more people in the stands. I have read an article that Akron passes the cost onto tuition. Every student is paying more to pay for tickets to reach the 15k standard. Just hoping that doesn’t need to be the case, I don’t care how you sell them but sell them here is an article on it http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150913/NEWS/309139997/ncaas-out-of-date-football-attendance-mandate-makes-it-difficult-on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, 94zipgrad said: Wow, I didn’t intend to stir up this again, I just wondered what the attendance was & was saying we are averaging over 20k a game. I know how it works, I give out a lot of tickets every week from a corporate purchase program. Thanks for correcting your knowledge of the situation. I guess you're really not the "clueless newcomer" that you self-described yourself as being. Ironically, I happen to be one of those people who also has all of my tickets, passes, etc. because of a corporate commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94zipgrad Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Apparently I am clueless, I do believe if we win they will come, I was saying if we contend for East we have to meet the standard right? We only need 30k for next 3 games. I apparently am not a very good writer & don’t get my thought across very well. Sorry for that but I certainly didn’t want to start this argument again LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 @94zipgrad, you don’t have to apologize for anything but I apologize if I peed you off earlier. This is just a worn out subject on this board but so are a lot of others that I keep rehashing. Go Zips! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94zipgrad Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 No your good, I needed a beer that day or a few 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, 94zipgrad said: No your good, I needed a beer that day or a few Amen, brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 IDK why I bother going to this thread. Its always the same old same old. Have a product worth watching and people will show up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 4 hours ago, kreed5120 said: IDK why I bother going to this thread. Its always the same old same old. Have a product worth watching and people will show up. Wait a second. Are saying that if Akron starts winning, people will attend more games? Are you implying people don't want to waste 4 hours watching terrible football? I just find those thoughts impossible to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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