Officiating Thread

[Hilltopper]

Two words, Buddy Mayborg. The minute I saw him walk on the court, I knew our chances of victory had just dropped a point or 2.

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For those who think that MAC officiating is just bad, all around, I want to give you a good example. This particular situation victimized us on several occasions last night, but it's still a great example.

When two guys have both of their hands wrapped around a rebound, it's OK to call that a Jump Ball. Fine. But in one instance, you can't call that a Jump Ball, and decide in another instance that it's OK to wait a few seconds to see if one of the players can rip it out of another player's hands. It's nowhere near the subjective situation that often occurs with a Charge/Block call. And if someone has an arm hooked under another player's arm during the held ball, it can't be a foul in one instance, and a Jump Ball in another.

I think most people would agree that they just want consistency throughout the course of the game so that the players decide the outcome, and they were all over the place on this one last night.

[Zips Win!]

I thought we turned the corner with MAC officiating 3 or 4 years ago with many of the guys doing a MAC game one day and a big ten game the next.

That was, until this year….

Now I realize that games are easier to officiate when the ball goes in the net. And when you have games that you are shooting 30% there are just that many more calls to be made.

But I thought the league officiating was just awful this year. We were homered at Toledo, the officiating at BG was just bad for both teams, Juice Brown got every call at the JAR and the Miami home game was the worst officiated league game at the JAR in years. While I didn’t have many complaints with the officiating at Can't, they somehow missed a guy taking three long steps for the game winner.

Last night brought us back years, IMHO. Once Hurley got the technical, I thought the flow of the game went decidedly in UB’s favor. There was absolutely no consistency with calls on the perimeter, in the post or when players drove to the hoop. How many more “and ones” should we have had?

I hope those clowns called their last game last night.

[Dave in Green]

I really do try to be as objective as a fan of one team can be when evaluating how game calls go. For example, on the incident where Hurley was T'ed up, he had a right to be upset. Nyles clearly took extra steps going to the basket and all three officials missed it, as they often do against Zips opponents. At that point I thought the Zips were up one in the bad call/no call department. As the game went on the balance tipped the other way.

Grin and bear it is the thought that came to my mind as I watched Pat last night. He has reached the point where he no longer contests calls by the officials. When he knows he's committed a foul he kicks himself in the butt, and when he knows an official has made a bad call against him he just walks away from the ref with a big grin on his face. Late in the game Big Dog had a questionable call against him and Pat came off the bench with a huge grin on his face after having had a close up view of Big Dog's non-foul.

Grin and bear it is all anyone can do when calls and no calls seem to come on an inconsistent, random basis. There's nothing the coaches, players and fans can do about it. Well, we can vent here without being fined by the MAC. I guess it's more accurate to say that there's nothing we can do to change things. Ultimately we just have to hope that the bad calls and no calls even out over time and our team is helped as often as it's hurt.

[tboned]

I don’t know his name, but when I saw the one referee before the Buffalo game I knew we were in trouble.

I have seen him at the JAR many times, and he seems to have a grudge or bone to pick with the Zips.

He didn’t let me down Friday night. He made some terrible calls. I think coach D blowing a gasket at the end of the game says it all. Doesn’t the MAC give there referees a performance review!

[Dave in Green]

In private conversation I'll bet just about every coach in the country would name you two or three officials they'd rather not see because, for whatever reason, they seem to make an imbalanced number of questionable calls and no-calls against that coach's team.

tboned, select your ref from the three below who officiated the Zips-Bulls MAC tournament game:

[tboned]

Are you pulling a fast one on me? I don't think these are the three who worked the Bulls game. Am I right?

[Dave in Green]

tboned, from top to bottom the three officials above from the Zips-Bulls box score are Darryl Smith, Mike Sanzere and, your choice, Glenn "Buddy" Mayborg. You are not alone in observing that Mayborg is not a Buddy of the Zips, not that the Zips aren't in good company:

[Hilltopper]

[http://zipsnation.org/forums/topic/32457-officiating-thread/page-11#entry238804

name="tboned" post="239022" timestamp="1426525837]Number three! He's the one!

[Dr Z]

Going through some of my photography from the semi final game on Friday, I found this image that a couple KD fans may enjoy. I could probably start a thread on a slow ZN day with the topic "Caption This Photo."

[Hilltopper]

If there was such a list,Buddy Mayborg would be at the top For KD.

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Going through some of my photography from the semi final game on Friday, I found this image that a couple KD fans may enjoy. I could probably start a thread on a slow ZN day with the topic "Caption This Photo."

[skip-zip]

I'm sure this was what I was referring to earlier in the thread. He kept yelling at him and pointing. It went on for a long time. Now, I am trying to figure out if this was what he was referring to when he said one of the officials raised his hand to call a foul, never blew the whistle, and put his hand back down and let the game continue. He said that was the most notable non-call that he had a problem with in this game.

[Sportsjunkie330]

Looks like Bobby's brother has the same issues against the refs...

[Dr Z]

I'm sure this was what I was referring to earlier in the thread. He kept yelling at him and pointing. It went on for a long time. Now, I am trying to figure out if this was what he was referring to when he said one of the officials raised his hand to call a foul, never blew the whistle, and put his hand back down and let the game continue. He said that was the most notable non-call that he had a problem with in this game.

I had seats directly across from Hurley. I told my wife at the beginning of the game, "anytime I leave my seat and Hurley is acting up, grab my camera and shoot, it's all set up." I just downloaded my images yesterday and realized I have all these images of KD. I emailed her and said "what gives?", she replied "the Akron coach was the one running his yap every time you left." She took about 40 images of KD yelling at all three referees. The one in your above post had the best composition, the others aren't very artistic, just telling. I have a few of Hurley, but they are mostly of him being animated/coaching his players, not real interesting photography.

[Dave in Green]

Hurley was in survival mode after his early T and became much less animated with the refs as he knew a second T would have taken him off the floor.

[Dr Z]

Hurley was in survival mode after his early T and became much less animated with the refs as he knew a second T would have taken him off the floor.

Your right, I have photos of his T, very boring (not animated), almost calculated. Looking back, all things considered, seemed like a good coaches move. Should be fun to see what he does against WV on Friday. Lot's of pundits picking UB.

[Sergeant Zip]

Great screen grab of Bobby http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/maybe-itll-get-stuck-that-way-1692687045/+bubbaprog

[1981 grad]

Maybe P. J. Carstensen is not such a bad ref. I saw him doing an sweet 16 game, Duke v. Utah. Almost made me feel bad for yelling at him when he missed the travelling call at Can't, almost. He did our tournament home game and was great. Obviously, one of the better refs in our league.

[LZIp]

The names of ref's are something I honestly hardly ever pay attention to (really the only way I know any names is because of this forum), however I have seen some familiar names during the NCAA tourney. Another one from the above mentioned is Terry Wymer. Wichita St/ND, WVU/Maryland, and Albany/Oklahoma during the tourney.

[Sportsjunkie330]

I wonder if Michigan State's "Officiating thread" is going crazy right now about how bad the officiating was vs Duke. 37 free throws vs 16. It had to be the officials right?

[skip-zip]

I wonder if Michigan State's "Officiating thread" is going crazy right now about how bad the officiating was vs Duke. 37 free throws vs 16. It had to be the officials right?

Michigan State just flat-out committed a TON of fouls in the first half, and really got themselves in trouble.

But I believe that Michigan State was in the bonus long before Duke in the 2nd half.

However, I don't think any complaining about a few fouls matters in a game when you totally get blown out of the gym.

[Dave in Green]

MSU actually averaged more personal fouls per game this season than the Zips. The Zips were #218 in the country and MSU was #223. One of the pre-game analysis stories I read warned that MSU fouls a lot and could have a problem against Duke if any of their key players got in foul trouble. In the end MSU's poor field goal shooting and inability to slow Duke's shooters did more damage to them than getting 10 more personal fouls (28-18).

[Dave in Green]

Would MAC officials have caught this?

[skip-zip]

Would MAC officials have caught this?

The funny part is that it appears Perkins "feels" like he has a pivot foot established the entire time, but that foot continually comes off the floor, and moves several feet between the beginning and end of the sequence. It's either lack of concentration, or fatigue. But it's unbelievable that nobody called that.

Honestly, I think he's already traveled even before he plants the pivot the first time.

Thanks for sharing. This is hilarious.