RooYahoo Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ruO59YaRtI#t=208Check out this link and the comment on the comparison of Pat and Isaiah. Good way to bring a player's confidence down when we all know last year he wasn't playing with any. Your take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 There are other players on the team. Maybe Big Dog is in Pat's shoes last year and needs a confidence boost himself. Pat's been maybe our most reliable player this year, and I think most would agree. This inferiority complex thing is something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I think Noah Robotham is team MVP so far this season with Pat a very close second. Pat's one of the most dominant big men in the MAC. Maybe the most dominant. I don't think Pat's hurting for confidence. I think Big Dog is. A little. That's how I'd read that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooYahoo Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I totally agree about Noah Robotham. I've never seen a freshman able to take charge like that and make the shots. Love the way he runs the offense! Thanks, guys. See you all Tuesday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 RooYahoo, why not just have a single Zips Centers discussion thread instead of starting a new one every week or two? I tried to get some input from you in one of your previous threads here, but you never responded to my question. Why not just have one thread and stick around for the discussion you've started? I think both Pat and Big Dog have had problems with self-confidence and both need encouragement to keep raising their games. I think the Zips center position is one of the team's strong points, and was pleased to hear Coach Dambrot say that there will be more of Pat and Big Dog on the floor together in upcoming games. If they ever play effectively together, the Zips game would rise to a new level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooYahoo Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Can't imagine both on the floor at the same time. Not enough room to spread the floor. I honestly don't think Isaiah knows how to set a screen, and would Pat play the four then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 You don't have to imagine Pat and Big Dog being on the floor at the same time. They already have been in several games this season, including last night's Buffalo game. As I said in the other thread, Big Dog is exclusively a low-post player with no outside game. Pat has a nice mid-range jumper and also made 1 of 2 3-pointers against OU, so Coach Dambrot apparently believes Pat could play some stretch 4. His exact quote from the interview you linked to in your first post was: "I wanted to play them both (Pat and Big Dog) together a little bit, which is coming down the line." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1981 grad Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 They were on the floor together for about 2 minutes last night and it clogged the lane. Big Dog went to the top of the lane and tried to feed Pat. Unfortunately, when you have Big Dog at the top of the lane he is not playing to his strength which is posting up. Right now both guys are strong post up players and neither is very quick. If you take either out of the post you are not playing to their strength. Further, Pat has been foul prone. If you have both out there you are inviting a foul problem for both our guys. Both of these guys operate best when the lane is kept open. No need to have them both in there at the same time.If them playing together is down the line it will be interesting if there will be any success. I do not believe it will be effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I don't understand this thinking. You're telling me no one else plays two bigs effectively? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Pat has a nice short to mid range jumper, but holy smokes does he miss a lot of shots in close! I;ve never seen so many shots ring out on a player. His foul shooting is making me a little crazy too, especially with Dambrot having him in late in games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Zeke used to miss the bunnies all the time. Look at the positives not the negatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Can't imagine both on the floor at the same time. Not enough room to spread the floor. That wouldn't be a factor. We normally have two guys playing the post at any given time anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Pat has a nice short to mid range jumperI have to tell you. I cringe when he steps back and faces the basket and takes a jumper, from ANY distance. It's very awkward for him. I don't know what you're seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 I have to tell you. I cringe when he steps back and faces the basket and takes a jumper, from ANY distance. It's very awkward for him. I don't know what you're seeing. agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 I have to tell you. I cringe when he steps back and faces the basket and takes a jumper, from ANY distance. It's very awkward for him. I don't know what you're seeing. Well, for a 6-11 guy he's OK, but I don't think any of us would like a regular diet of Forsythe jumpers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Are we critiquing Pat's shooting form or his results? His raw shooting results show that he leads the Zips with a 56.7% field goal shooting percentage. By the way, that's #1 in the MAC -- pretty good for someone who misses a lot of shots in close. Big Dog is second for the Zips at 50% and Deji and BJ are tied for third at 45.6%. That makes sense as they are the primary inside scorers whereas most of the other players shoot a high percentage of 3s. We also know that Pat's free throw shooting is shaky at 58.8%.What the raw stats don't show is the percentage of jump shots Pat makes vs. short shots in the paint. We know he took an unexpected pair of 3-pointers against OU and one was just off and the other swished. I would assume the team tracks the percentage of each type of shot each player makes and encourages them to play to their strengths. The fact that Pat has been green-lighted to shoot mid-range jumpers and even 3s after 2 seasons of mostly short shots in the paint suggests the coaching staff has increasing confidence in his ability to hit those shots, regardless of how some may see his shooting form as awkward.As for Pat and Big Dog working well in tandem, they've so far only had a few minutes in each of a few games where they've had a chance to get acclimated to each other. Coach Dambrot has obviously seen some potential there or he wouldn't have said more of the Pat & Big Dog Show "is coming down the line." That's not to say it's a slam dunk it's going to work. Maybe it will and maybe it won't. No one should be too quick to embrace or dismiss it until it's been given a fair chance to develop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Are we critiquing Pat's shooting form or his results? His raw shooting results show that he leads the Zips with a 56.7% field goal shooting percentage. Big Dog is second for the Zips at 50%You'd find similar results with the post players on most basketball teams in the country, at any level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 You'd find similar results with the post players on most basketball teams in the country, at any level. That's why I pointed that out in my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Zip Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 We all get it, you don't like KD's treatment of Pat and of KD's use of our bigs. We got it the first couple of times and we get it today, What is ironic is that this thread was started so close to groundhog day. To answer your question, yes you are watching the same game. You have your opinions and we all have ours but can we move on? SMH....... Somebody T me up, I need to break the momentum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooYahoo Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Dave in Green you do a good job bringing in the facts. Thank you. It makes me feel better about my position and look forward to a run in the MAC tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 RooYahoo, thanks. I always try to measure my own opinions against verifiable facts and often surprise myself. I appreciate the enthusiasm that people like you have for individual players as well as for the entire Zips team. You've made it clear that you're a big fan of Pat, and you should feel free to express that as much as you want on any sports forum. Pat deserves a lot of credit for his performance this season. He's not only #1 in the MAC in field goal shooting percentage, he's also in the top 100 in the country (#92). Add that to a top 100 in blocks per game (#82) and it's pretty clear that he's a strong presence on both offense and defense.Depending on his motivation and self-confidence, I believe Pat has a real shot at playing professionally. Adding stretch 4 experience to his already good post performance would only enhance his professional opportunities. Pro basketball is evolving to where big men are more and more expected to be able to step outside and hit the long shot. I think Pat is capable of doing that and Coach Dambrot is giving him the opportunity to develop that phase of his game. Ideally Pat and Big Dog will develop their games to the point that they don't just fight over who gets the biggest chunk of the 40-minute block of game time at the center position but that each can play 25-30 minutes per game with 10-20-minute overlaps where they're both on the floor together depending on the opponent and game situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooYahoo Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 http://www.wkyc.com/videos/sports/2015/02/09/23149147/Check out this video. Love to see the kids in there shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 RooYahoo, thanks. I always try to measure my own opinions against verifiable facts and often surprise myself. I appreciate the enthusiasm that people like you have for individual players as well as for the entire Zips team. You've made it clear that you're a big fan of Pat, and you should feel free to express that as much as you want on any sports forum. Pat deserves a lot of credit for his performance this season. He's not only #1 in the MAC in field goal shooting percentage, he's also in the top 100 in the country (#92). Add that to a top 100 in blocks per game (#82) and it's pretty clear that he's a strong presence on both offense and defense.Depending on his motivation and self-confidence, I believe Pat has a real shot at playing professionally. Adding stretch 4 experience to his already good post performance would only enhance his professional opportunities. Pro basketball is evolving to where big men are more and more expected to be able to step outside and hit the long shot. I think Pat is capable of doing that and Coach Dambrot is giving him the opportunity to develop that phase of his game. Ideally Pat and Big Dog will develop their games to the point that they don't just fight over who gets the biggest chunk of the 40-minute block of game time at the center position but that each can play 25-30 minutes per game with 10-20-minute overlaps where they're both on the floor together depending on the opponent and game situation.He has the size and he is starting to have the skills. At least, no team in the MAC seems to have an answer for him. He has really emerged as our best MVP candidate. At least in my opinion. As his confidence builds, he seems almost able to score at will.Tonight he brought the ball up court. Not a big deal, but something he could not do the first two years without a turnover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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