K92 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 LZip,As long as established and rumored mean the same thing, I agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Elton: Zips QBs learn to "read and run" during spring drills"Read one (receiver), then run,'' Bowden said. "That's all we want them to do; Read one, then run."Our offensive philosophy in Akron is eerily similar to our weather. Constant flux.PS Didn't GT recently report that not much would be changing offensively this year? Or am I mixing up years?"Bowden and Co. acted like their biggest triumph of the season, 21-10 on the road over Pitt, was a fluke, instead of a template for success." Mr. Alexander succinctly nailed it with that sentence. I remember somebody else writing something close to this the day after the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 "Read one (receiver), then run,'' Bowden said. "That's all we want them to do; Read one, then run."Our offensive philosophy in Akron is eerily similar to our weather. Constant flux.PS Didn't GT recently report that not much would be changing offensively this year?Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 "Read one (receiver), then run,'' Bowden said. "That's all we want them to do; Read one, then run."Our offensive philosophy in Akron is eerily similar to our weather. Constant flux.PS Didn't GT recently report that not much would be changing offensively this year? Or am I mixing up years?This is what stuck out to me from the article. This is odd. Are our quarterbacks idiots? What kind of offense is that? Definitely not Dalton Williams-esque "Air Raid."This doesn't just tip the scale in the favor of Tra'Von Chapman, this drops the starter's job into his lap.It sounds like Bowden's found a stud he's putting his chips on. That's cool, we haven't had a stud on offense since DW in Bowden's first year. It doesn't take a lot to win in the MAC - a lot of average players and a handful of studs. We've got the studs on D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 "Read one (receiver), then run,'' If we are running the zone read option shouldn't the quote be:"Read one (defender), then (hand off) run (or pass)''????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 "Read one (receiver), then run,'' If we are running the zone read option shouldn't the quote be:"Read one (defender), then (hand off) run (or pass)''?????This offense sounds more like "we will design a play and if the first read isn't open the quarterback needs to run because our other receivers are so bad they have no shot at being open." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LZIp Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 This is what stuck out to me from the article. This is odd. Are our quarterbacks idiots? What kind of offense is that? Definitely not Dalton Williams-esque "Air Raid."This doesn't just tip the scale in the favor of Tra'Von Chapman, this drops the starter's job into his lap.It sounds like Bowden's found a stud he's putting his chips on. That's cool, we haven't had a stud on offense since DW in Bowden's first year. It doesn't take a lot to win in the MAC - a lot of average players and a handful of studs. We've got the studs on D.Simple offenses aren't that uncommon in college. That's one reason many struggle adjusting to the NFL. Also, DW was far from a "stud". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Simple offenses aren't that uncommon in college. That's one reason many struggle adjusting to the NFL. Also, DW was far from a "stud".He put up numbers like a stud.If we had him along with our improved D the last 2 years... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Simple offenses aren't that uncommon in college. That's one reason many struggle adjusting to the NFL. Also, DW was far from a "stud".DW13 may not have been a "stud" but if he had not been taken out of the Toledo game after the first series he would hold the Zips all-time single season passing yardage record. I think that qualifies him for at least the "prime-time player" moniker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 This offense sounds more like "we will design a play and if the first read isn't open the quarterback needs to run because our other receivers are so bad they have no shot at being open."That's what I was thinking...but couldn't it also mean that the QB isn't going to sit in the pocket looking for a Reciever to get open? Instead, if the first option isn't open, roll-out to threat the run and perhaps another WR will come open? And the WR option might change on every play... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 That's what I was thinking...but couldn't it also mean that the QB isn't going to sit in the pocket looking for a Reciever to get open? Instead, if the first option isn't open, roll-out to threat the run and perhaps another WR will come open? And the WR option might change on every play...This is what I want. A QB who can extend the play with his feet.He doesn't have to run every time. Just be a threat to run. Roll out and take what the defense gives you. Don't just sit in the pocket and hope another receiver might come open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 "Read one (receiver), then run,'' If we are running the zone read option shouldn't the quote be:"Read one (defender), then (hand off) run (or pass)''?????Exactly. TB isn't describing a read option. Read option is reading the DE, not a receiver. Not sure what he's describing but I'm not a fan of locking on 1 WR then figuring it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 DW13 may not have been a "stud" but if he had not been taken out of the Toledo game after the first series he would hold the Zips all-time single season passing yardage record. I think that qualifies him for at least the "prime-time player" moniker.I would guess he also not only broke, but shattered the pass attempts record. That has a lot to do with it. He wasn't a bum, but if he was above average, we wouldn't have went 0-fer against FBS competition, especially in the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGood Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 I would guess he also not only broke, but shattered the pass attempts record. That has a lot to do with it. He wasn't a bum, but if he was above average, we wouldn't have went 0-fer against FBS competition, especially in the MAC. The alternate argument to this is if the team would have had a somewhat decent defense he may have had a pretty good win-loss record as a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Joe Dunn sez:Akron FB Coach Terry Bowden talks about the Zips 2015 season and Saturday's Spring Game today at 12:15 on Fox Sports 1350..BigTime SportsTB sez:Offense is lagging defenseKP and TC vying for top QB, Woodson 3rdWill still be looking for players after spring practice, 4-6 may be addedNamed Gafney, Wolf, Marcus, Coe, Monroe as impact playersWon't be intimidated v. Oklahoma since we've performed well against big namesNE Ohio - Pittsburgh is our recruiting base, then S. FloridaSpring game will be full scrimmage...1's v. 1's, 2's v. 2's, vanilla formations but full-speedJD sez:He is fired up for Zips football....every time he talks to TB Joe will be on til 3pmSpring game to be broadcast (Steve French) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Bowden on 1350 now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Summary:Turned it on just after the comments about QB unfortunately.Thinks we can have a very good starting 5 on the OL, but lack depth. will be looking for transfers over summer.Special shout outs: Lavaughn Guatney (sp?) on o-line. Not sure if that has been mentioned on here. Austin Wolfe.Mentioned Marcus, Coe, and Monroe as being game changers. Seemed highest on Marcus.Talked about schedule. Made a point about us always playing our P5 OOC opponents tough. Which we do.Talked about NEO being the base area. Said local interest is ramping up (see the 300 JR recruits on campus last weekend). Also mentioned south FlaSpring game: game scenario. 1s vs 1s. 2s vs 2s.Juiciest part: Have been talk to 3 or 4 transfers that we don't know about. Expects 2 or 3 of those to join after spring. ADDITIONALLY looking to add another 2 or 3 more transfers on top of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Not understanding the transfer part. If he is talking regular transfers they would have to sit out a year. Hopefully he is talking 5th year guys that have already graduated and are available immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 The alternate argument to this is if the team would have had a somewhat decent defense he may have had a pretty good win-loss record as a QB.Absolutely. The defense was a sieve in 2012.As much as I have been critical of the football program, I must say the staff has done a fantastic job upgrading this side of the ball the last 2 years.The defense won't be very deep in 2015, but the starting front 7 should be as solid as they come in the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 The alternate argument to this is if the team would have had a somewhat decent defense he may have had a pretty good win-loss record as a QB.May have is a possibility that I won't argue against. What we do know is that with a bad defense and a supposed great QB/offense, we failed to win even ONE game against FBS competition. I also know that you don't necessarily need a great D to win/compete in the MAC. The conference is notorious for high scoring games with little defense. Hence the term "MACtion". In 2012, NIU ranked 75th in the nation in total D. Akron ranked 88th. NIU lost one game in the regular season and went to an Orange Bowl. Meanwhile, Akron won one game.Dalton did a nice job in his year here. He also had the benefit of having 4 years of familiarity of a system while the conference had to learn on the go vs the offense. I think he's a little overvalued on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 One of the reasons Dalton gets love is because he was the ultimate team player. I already liked the guy, but his actions on the sideline versus Toledo made him #1 in my book. As I write this, it actually makes me a little emotional remembering that evening. If this program can ever turn the corner and become a winner, I will always believe in my small mind that it started with DW13. He may not have had the record of a champion but he certainly had the class, composure and heart of a champion.The 2011 Zips completely quit. They got completely annihilated by some weak MAC teams. They finished out the year on the lowest rung ever. Smashed 35-3 in Oxford vs. 4-8 Miami. Slaughtered at home vs. a worthless Can't State team 35-3. Then they were humiliated in Buffalo 51-10 by the putrid 3-9 Bulls in a game that wasn't that close. Then the capper, they went in the all-time crapper at Western Michigan 68-19. Clayton Moore was 5-18 for 35 yards. Patrick Nicely went 0-5 and a pick.Dalton's legacy in the minds of people like me probably gets exaggerated to some extent because of the contrast with 2011 shitshow. The Zips went from the pinnacle of quarterback inefficiency and offensive ineptitude to actually being competitive in 2012. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 With mostly the same players from 2011, except for Dalton at QB, Akron averaged about 14 more points per game in 2012. That kind of year-to-year improvement on offense is ridiculous. Akron has averaged fewer points each year since then. The offense has regressed but the defense has made a miraculous transformation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Newman Williams switching to Offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Newman Williams switching to OffenseHe sounds promising as a pass catching TE option in the supposed one-read offense, if he can do what is reported. Zach, (and anyone else) do you think this is a place they've found for him that he can succeed in/the team needs a player in and he'll be looked at for LB later? Based on his size he seems a perfect fit for LB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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