zipsoutsider Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I despise when people make judgements about the players motivation. If you are not on the team, anything you have is second-hand and you are getting it from one person's perspective and that person, has a bias, whether they are aware, or not. It does no one any good to cast aspersions of character and motivation. If you have something negative to say about a player's character, IMHO, you better be willing to name the source (and by name, I mean name - not just someone close to the team, or someone on the team.). Otherwise, it is better kept it to yourself. These kids have enough to deal with in their lives without grown adults destroying their character on a public forum. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Some people just have the need to make themselves sound important. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 This conversation really derailed...bringing it back to the Woodson vs. Frye discussion. This was something I was going to post about back before the Kent game because the statistics of throwing for like 4TDs a game and 300+ yards per game were putting Woodson in a place where he could beat out Frye's records. Since he missed three games, though, this season due to his shoulder injury...he probably won't beat Frye's career stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 3 hours ago, Balsy said: Since he missed three games.....he probably won't beat Frye's career stats. Do Bowl games and MCC games count toward career stats? TW could get back a few starts there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, Dr Z said: Do Bowl games and MCC games count toward career stats? TW could get back a few starts there. Absolutely. They are part of the career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dr Z said: Do Bowl games and MCC games count toward career stats? TW could get back a few starts there. I factored that in when I did my calculation. He could out do the W/L percentage and the overall TDs for a career. It's the Yards he's going to struggle to overcome because Frye got 11,049 in 4 years, and was he was played as the starter in the vast majority of those games. Woodson's first year he only played a handful of games, he didn't start all of his games his sophomore or now junior year. He currently has around 4,500 career yards. In order to beat Frye's career yards he would have had to average somewhere around 300 yards per game (including MAC Championship game and Bowls) to beat it, without missing 3 games. Frye's best season passing was 3,549 yards, 22TDs. Dalton beat the TDs with 25 in 2012, came short in yardage. Edited October 27, 2016 by Balsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 There are a lot of other factors than just pure career numbers to determine whose the GOAT Zips QB. I didn't see Frye play enough to cast judgement on intangibles, but I'd look for the guy that had the most positive impact for the team. If a guy puts up nearly as many yards and tds in 3 years while maintaining a similar or better TD/INT ratio, I'd go with the guy that played 3 years over a guy that it took 4 years to put up slightly larger totals. I don't know if that's the case as I haven't bothered to look at the numbers. If Woodson keeps doing what he is doing and stays healthy, I'll revisit this discussion and provide an evaluation the best that I can a year from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 7 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: There are a lot of other factors than just pure career numbers to determine whose the GOAT Zips QB. I didn't see Frye play enough to cast judgement on intangibles, but I'd look for the guy that had the most positive impact for the team. If a guy puts up nearly as many yards and tds in 3 years while maintaining a similar or better TD/INT ratio, I'd go with the guy that played 3 years over a guy that it took 4 years to put up slightly larger totals. I don't know if that's the case as I haven't bothered to look at the numbers. If Woodson keeps doing what he is doing and stays healthy, I'll revisit this discussion and provide an evaluation the best that I can a year from now. I would agree with this. I do think the potential is there, but things must align correctly for him and he has to live up to the potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Does throwing for more yards in more games make you a "better" college quarterback, or does winning big games during your college career make you a "better" QB? I wouldn't use yards as my number one criteria in deciding best Akron QB. I would also add Luke Getsy to the debate of best UA QB. I would start with biggest games won, and throw in TD's per game, and mix in some third down conversion rate, and end with some qb efficiency rating if I were to debate. Talent around you should have to be in the discussion as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 19 minutes ago, Dr Z said: Does throwing for more yards in more games make you a "better" college quarterback, or does winning big games during your college career make you a "better" QB? I wouldn't use yards as my number one criteria in deciding best Akron QB. I would also add Luke Getsy to the debate of best UA QB. I would start with biggest games won, and throw in TD's per game, and mix in some third down conversion rate, and end with some qb efficiency rating if I were to debate. Talent around you should have to be in the discussion as well. Getsy could be in the conversation, if not for the 2006 season and the volume of endzone interceptions he threw. He certainly has one of the top moments in program history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Akron has had a decent number of good QB's that many don't remember. Marcell Weems, Vernon Stewart, Mike Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 31 minutes ago, Buckzip said: Akron has had a decent number of good QB's that many don't remember. Marcell Weems, Vernon Stewart, Mike Johnson. All the QB's you mentioned threw more interceptions than touchdowns in any year they played. I would give some credit to Butchie, since he did the opposite and is second in career yards, but still not close to the Woodson/Getsy/Frye discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 I think if Tommy leads the Zips to a MAC title, he is worthy of strong consideration. He has potentially 2 opportunities to do so. WE could potentially have a stronger offense next year than we do this year. I think Tommy's off-season this prep work this winter will ultimately determine where he falls. I feel like there was tremendous improvement between last season and this season. If he continues to elevate his game IQ, and leads the Zips to win the MAC title, I think it's tough to argue against him. That being said, I am not sure his throwing motion will make him of any interest to NFL scouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 24 minutes ago, zipsoutsider said: That being said, I am not sure his throwing motion will make him of any interest to NFL scouts. Have you seen the tripe being trotted out at the QB position in the NFL lately? Having a QB that can hit an open receiver is a rare commodity. If Woodson continued to improve, and had a healthy 2017, someone would take a late-round flier on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Captain Kangaroo said: Have you seen the tripe being trotted out at the QB position in the NFL lately? Having a QB that can hit an open receiver is a rare commodity. If Woodson continued to improve, and had a healthy 2017, someone would take a late-round flier on him. I would love to see him get a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Woody is good, like really good IMO. Maybe I was taking some comments out of context or reading articles the wrong way, but I was feeling a subtle tone on the board before the WMU game that people were lobbying for Chapman to be the starter yet again. I've thought of his chances at being a pro as well, but I'm far from a QB scout. That stuff seems like more of a crap shoot than anything to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 If he stays healthy, he will get a look by the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Woody just tweeted "Nothin better than a chiropractor poppin your neck & back.." Don't know if that's par for the course or if this is special treatment for Woody's injury. (I don't know how to cut & paste a tweet. Sorry) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 58 minutes ago, Blue & Gold said: (I don't know how to cut & paste a tweet. Sorry) You just paste in the URL of the particular tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) Edited November 11, 2016 by Blue & Gold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 23 minutes ago, ZachTheZip said: You just paste in the URL of the particular tweet. Thanks! Too easy. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 12 hours ago, Blue & Gold said: Woody just tweeted "Nothin better than a chiropractor poppin your neck & back.." The team should have a Summa Health Care chiropractor, acupuncturist, and hyperbaric chamber available to him at all times. His health is directly related to the success of this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo42 Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 On 10/27/2016 at 5:53 PM, akronzips71 said: If he stays healthy, he will get a look by the NFL. He has a long way to go to get a NFL LOOK. calm down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Uh, oh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Jawon Chisholm not helping things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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