Game 12—@Ohio Bobcats

[K92]

So, why the stark contrast between year 1 and years 2-5?

[Blue & Gold]

4 hours ago, LZIp said:

I totally forgot about Snodgrass myself. I am talking about Bryce Dixon and Freddie Simmons Jr.

http://247sports.com/Player/Bryce-Dixon-75675

http://247sports.com/Player/Freddie-Simmons-41113

 

I cannot give anymore Likes today 

[NWAkron]

And we will continue to tell ourselves that it's better to have the same coach year after year rather than having one amazing season and then losing the coach.  To paraphrase a line from a chick movie, "Would you rather have 30 minutes of wonderful or a lifetime of nothing special?"

[kreed5120]

1 hour ago, NWAkron said:

And we will continue to tell ourselves that it's better to have the same coach year after year rather than having one amazing season and then losing the coach.  To paraphrase a line from a chick movie, "Would you rather have 30 minutes of wonderful or a lifetime of nothing special?"

I'd certainly take those 30 minutes of wonderful over all these 5-7 seasons we've been experiencing. If we got to the point of consistently winning 7-10 games per year, I'd take that over 1 wonderful year followed by a bunch of poop years.

[Lee Adams]

1 hour ago, kreed5120 said:

I'd certainly take those 30 minutes of wonderful over all these 5-7 seasons we've been experiencing. If we got to the point of consistently winning 7-10 games per year, I'd take that over 1 wonderful year followed by a bunch of poop years.

I find it humorous,having watched Zips football since the 60's how we can rationalize,year,after year,after year that this program has rarely,if ever been able to CONSISTENTLY compete with the top programs in the MAC. I am not talking about 1 or two years of .500 or slightly better. I am talking about 5 out of 6 or 7 years of being .500 or better.

There have been enough HC's in and out of here since  and including Faust that one would think that the Administration might have stumbled upon a guy by accident if nothing else. I am not talking about going to the MAC championship game every year. But, they HAVE to be able to win at least 5 games in the MAC consistently. Neither this regime nor the ones in recent memory have been able to do that consistently. BUT,there are programs in the MAC that do that. Ya,1 MAC championship game would be great at this point. 

When does it happen? 2017? 2018? Maybe the Bowden regime will do it.But,he and Amato are not young men. Hopefully,2017will be better.

[LZIp]

28 minutes ago, Lee Adams said:

I find it humorous,having watched Zips football since the 60's how we can rationalize,year,after year,after year that this program has rarely,if ever been able to CONSISTENTLY compete with the top programs in the MAC. I am not talking about 1 or two years of .500 or slightly better. I am talking about 5 out of 6 or 7 years of being .500 or better.

Akron joined the MAC in 1992. I'm also not sure its reasonable to permanently undo generations of suck in just a few years.

Edited November 28, 2016 by LZIp

[kreed5120]

On November 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, LZIp said:

He has trended up/has not regressed in every season before this one.

 

You're right. Fire him. That way we can keep trying over and over, year after year and will finally strike lightning in a bottle before we die and have that 1 magical season that in reality is meaningless because nothing that will be won will mean crap to anybody on a national scale and then our coach will leave and then we will be back to square 1 again. Just look at Kent St. Look at WMU next season. We're all just wasting our time because we root for a program that plays meaningless football. Nobody will give a damn about WMU football next season.

 

Our coaching blows but we've won a bowl game. Our recruiting sucks but we've set the record for most wins in school history. Hire Paul Winters right!! They guy who hasn't won more than 7 games in D2 since 2011!! You guys have it all figured out!

 

 

 

A certain someone on this forum feels we cycle through coaches too fast, but I feel our problem has been we have held onto coaches too long before realizing they weren't the man for the job. That or we realized they weren't the man for the job, but didn't care enough about the football program to fire them and bring in someone better.

 

We gave Faust 9 years

We then gave Lee Owens 9 years

Brookhart 6 years

Ianello 2 years (only one we identified was terrible early on and moved on)

Bowden heading into year 6 and some people are saying that 6 years wouldn't be a large enough sample size for him

 

These 5 coaches account for the last 31 years of our football history and all 30 of our FBS seasons. In those 30 years we have had a combined 7 winning seasons. Perhaps had we not hung onto certain coaches as long as we have, we might have stumbled upon a Fleck by now or at least a Solich.

 

Edited November 28, 2016 by kreed5120

[skip-zip]

Here's the bottom line.  It's easy to go back and look at prior seasons and say that making coaching changes may have helped.  That's why the more important hires are really the people we pay to evaluate what we have, and where we're headed.  You have to count on those people to make the right coaching decisions.  I feel like we may have the best group of leadership right now in the 30+ years I've been around Akron.  

 

 

[kreed5120]

Just now, skip-zip said:

Here's the bottom line.  It's easy to go back and look at prior seasons and say that making coaching changes may have helped.  That's why the more important hires are really the people we pay to evaluate what we have, and where we're headed.  You have to count on those people to make the right coaching decisions.  I feel like we may have the best group of leadership right now in the 30+ years I've been around Akron.  

 

 

 

It can also be seen by the fact we have been investing in the product and the University has really stepped up in trying to promote (mostly unsuccessfully) its athletics.

Edited November 28, 2016 by kreed5120

[Lee Adams]

On 11/27/2016 at 7:25 PM, LZIp said:

Akron joined the MAC in 1992. I'm also not sure its reasonable to permanently undo generations of suck in just a few years.

Definition of 'a few years' is what? 1992 was... let me count, what, 24 years? Again,we can't 'blame' what is happening now on what happened in 1992,2002 etc. etc.Other  programs have been bad and gotten better. I mean even Faust had some decent seasons. When,if ever does the program not 'suck' anymore?

[zippy_ua_00]

On 11/26/2016 at 8:53 PM, skip-zip said:

 

I think you could really make a case here for the QB situation.  Woody emerges about 3 games into the season last year as our best QB, BY FAR.  Yet, Chapman apparently won the starting spot, with Pohl as his only challenger.  Then Chapman just completely lays an egg, and Woody was still a distant thought.  Then he eventually takes the field and suddenly and clearly looked to be head-and-shoulders above the #1 and #2 guys?

 

I'm still shaking my head about how that all transpired.  

It actually had nothing to do with their view on woodys talent. I know first hand why woody wasn't playing last year

[zipsoutsider]

17 hours ago, zippy_ua_00 said:

It actually had nothing to do with their view on woodys talent. I know first hand why woody wasn't playing last year

Oh, here are the alleged "insider" views that cast aspersion on a player's character. Spare us.

[zippy_ua_00]

4 hours ago, zipsoutsider said:

Oh, here are the alleged "insider" views that cast aspersion on a player's character. Spare us.

Actually it had to do nothing with his character but continue to assume.

[LZIp]

Crappy OU didn't look too bad last night.

[skip-zip]

5 minutes ago, LZIp said:

Crappy OU didn't look too bad last night.

 

I was thinking exactly the same thing.  

 

Characterizing MAC teams seems like a fun thing for fans.  But, too often, this is such an unpredictable league.   

 

 

[zipsoutsider]

On ‎12‎/‎3‎/‎2016 at 4:08 PM, skip-zip said:

 

I was thinking exactly the same thing.  

 

Characterizing MAC teams seems like a fun thing for fans.  But, too often, this is such an unpredictable league.   

 

 

There is a vast amount of parity in the MAC. I feel as though any team could beat any other team on any given Saturday (or Tue, Wed, Thur, or Fri.)

 

It's really tough to compare apples to oranges, but it does make you feel a little better about the performance we put up with Goodman in as QB.

[skip-zip]

zipsoutsider, I am going to hope that we just played a great defensive game down there in Athens.  But, it's probably a little more likely that we just didn't face a very good OU offense on that day either.  

 

I 100% agree that anyone in this league can win or lose on any given day.  

[Dr Z]

On 11/26/2016 at 5:24 PM, LZIp said:

.....have players like Davis, Brown, and Featherstone who look poised to step in. Jest might have been our 2nd best DT and he was a true freshman. There are some talented, young 3 star WRs becoming eligible next season. Should have the QB of the future already on the team. Finally looks like we are getting some nice RBs coming in. Wouldn't be shocked to see one of them take Edwards' spot as Ball's (praying he gets the medical redshirt) reliever next season.