College Basketball Scandal

[Balsy]

7 minutes ago, UAZip0510 said:

I'm surprised to hear some say cheating/paying players big sums is just a problem at "big" schools.  I know of one MAC program that plays very dirty.

 

Oh they definitely are too.  But they're rejecting my contention of the big ones to begin with!

[zippy5]

I see 0 harm in letting players profit off of their own likeness. Autographs, jerseys, shirts, whatever.. why not?

[LZIp]

6 minutes ago, Balsy said:

 

 

Gosh and people say Liberals live in a delusional fantasy world...

 

Reality is people will continue to make money off of it.  Not you're not "infusing even more money into the mix" you're putting the money instead where it should be going in the first place.  I agree with you that we should go back to a COLLEGE system that doesn't have hundreds of millions to billions of dollars at stake with the "XYZ Company OFFICIAL REVIEW CAMERA" money.  But that is never going to happen, because too many people like getting gravy from the gravy-train without having to create, build, renovate or work.

 

Always, always, always follow the money.  Money talks, money controls.  If you don't have control on the money, then nothing is under control.  The only option is legislating it.  Too bad that too will never happen, because they also benefit greatly from the gravy-train.  

 

Stop living in a delusional world.  

Your response did not answer my question. Still waiting for your solution.

[LZIp]

3 minutes ago, zippy5 said:

I see 0 harm in letting players profit off of their own likeness. Autographs, jerseys, shirts, whatever.. why not?

I don't necessarily disagree with the ideology, but then you'd have boosters paying players 100k for an autograph to get a player to come to your school. Then we are in the same situation we are in now.

[K92]

3 minutes ago, LZIp said:

I don't necessarily disagree with the ideology, but then you'd have boosters paying players 100k for an autograph to get a player to come to your school. Then we are in the same situation we are in now.

Which should be ok.

[LZIp]

4 minutes ago, K92 said:

Which should be ok.

So is funneling150k to the Bowen kid to come to Louisville ok? Apparently not per the NCAA and FBI.  At the end of the day were talking about the same thing here. Paying kids huge sums of money to come to your school.

Edited September 28, 2017 by LZIp

[K92]

4 minutes ago, LZIp said:

So is funneling150k to the Bowen kid to come to Louisville ok? Apparently not per the NCAA and FBI.  At the end of the day were talking about the same thing here. Paying kids huge sums of money to come to your school.

It's a victimless crime.

[zippy5]

8 minutes ago, LZIp said:

So is funneling150k to the Bowen kid to come to Louisville ok? Apparently not per the NCAA and FBI.  At the end of the day were talking about the same thing here. Paying kids huge sums of money to come to your school.

[LZIp]

9 minutes ago, K92 said:

It's a victimless crime.

I wouldn't say victimless, it's tax evasion which is robbing the American people. Regardless, I'm getting the feeling you're in favor of an unregulated system, which will only result in schools like the one we root for to become more irrelevant than we already are, when in reality, we should want anything that will make the playing field more equal.

 

I say if players want paid, take away their scholarships. Give them that dollar amount instead. Let them pay for their own room & board, meal plans, tuition, medical bills, and whatever else. They aren't going to come out anymore ahead at the end of the day. That's what getting a cost-of-attendance scholarship is. That or go overseas. People need to stop acting like their aren't options.

Edited September 28, 2017 by LZIp

[K92]

3 minutes ago, LZIp said:

I wouldn't say victimless, it's tax evasion which is robbing the American people. Regardless, I'm getting the feeling you're in favor of an unregulated system, which will only result in schools like the one we root for to become more irrelevant than we already are, when in reality, we should want anything that will make the playing field more equal.

 

I say if players want paid, take away their scholarships. Give them that dollar amount instead. Let them pay for their own room & board, meal plans, tuition, medical bills, and whatever else. They aren't going to come out anymore ahead at the end of the day. That's what getting a cost-of-attendance scholarship is.

It is not illegal for one person to give another person money.  I don't think it should be an NCAA violation either.  The current scandal was not a simple case of one person giving money to another person.

[zippy5]

45 minutes ago, LZIp said:

I wouldn't say victimless, it's tax evasion which is robbing the American people. Regardless, I'm getting the feeling you're in favor of an unregulated system, which will only result in schools like the one we root for to become more irrelevant than we already are, when in reality, we should want anything that will make the playing field more equal.

 

I say if players want paid, take away their scholarships. Give them that dollar amount instead. Let them pay for their own room & board, meal plans, tuition, medical bills, and whatever else. They aren't going to come out anymore ahead at the end of the day. That's what getting a cost-of-attendance scholarship is. That or go overseas. People need to stop acting like their aren't options.

It's not tax evasion if they claim it. They can't claim it with the NCAA rules the way they are now and risk their eligibility

[skip-zip]

1 hour ago, K92 said:

It's a victimless crime.

 

Victim-less if you like seeing Akron (and about 80% of the other D-1 Athletic programs) continue on with virtually a ZERO chance of ever winning a title.  That's not what I would like to see.

 

I'll keep repeating this:   I'll take ANYTHING that moves the needle anywhere near heading back in the right direction again.  And with the rewards going only to those who have Millions of Dollars to buy wins, that's not the right direction for me as a College Athletics fan.  

[K92]

8 minutes ago, skip-zip said:

 

Victim-less if you like seeing Akron (and about 80% of the other D-1 Athletic programs) continue on with virtually a ZERO chance of ever winning a title. 

You act as if this isn't the current reality.

[zippy5]

27 minutes ago, skip-zip said:

 

Victim-less if you like seeing Akron (and about 80% of the other D-1 Athletic programs) continue on with virtually a ZERO chance of ever winning a title.  That's not what I would like to see.

 

I'll keep repeating this:   I'll take ANYTHING that moves the needle anywhere near heading back in the right direction again.  And with the rewards going only to those who have Millions of Dollars to buy wins, that's not the right direction for me as a College Athletics fan.  

Are college athletics for the fans or for the athletes?

[kreed5120]

I'm completely against schools paying players. I have no problem with players making money off their likeness.

[zippy5]

Playing players is tricky. There's no doubt some of them deserve it.. Oklahoma is making a ton of money because they have Baker Mayfield. Same with Louisville and Lamar Jackson, and the other superstars. Akron isn't making a dime off anyone, let alone the backup tackle.

[LZIp]

41 minutes ago, zippy5 said:

Are college athletics for the fans or for the athletes?

I would say both mutually benefit.

[LZIp]

35 minutes ago, zippy5 said:

Playing players is tricky. There's no doubt some of them deserve it.. Oklahoma is making a ton of money because they have Baker Mayfield. Same with Louisville and Lamar Jackson, and the other superstars. Akron isn't making a dime off anyone, let alone the backup tackle.

I thought it was funny how OSU's 3rd string QB was speaking out about it. He certainly hasn't earned a dime for the U. Dude probably won't be on the team next year unless he's content with being 3rd string his whole career.

Edited September 28, 2017 by LZIp

[Balsy]

2 hours ago, LZIp said:

Your response did not answer my question. Still waiting for your solution.

 

I do believe I said two things:  One, REGULATION.  And two, I don't know what a good solution is.  But look, I don't need to have a solution to acknowledge a problem/point it out.  I guess the third option is people just stop being greedy, manipulative, immoral assholes.  But knowing the human condition; we can't expect people to be that way.

 

The NCAA says it's rules exist to protect the integrity of College Athletics as a "pure sport" Bullshit.  The NCAA's rules exist to protect the gravy-train. 

Edited September 28, 2017 by Balsy

[K92]

The best way to level the playing field is to cap coaching salaries. 

[ZipsVoice]

2 hours ago, Balsy said:

 

I do believe I said two things:  One, REGULATION.  And two, I don't know what a good solution is.  But look, I don't need to have a solution to acknowledge a problem/point it out.  I guess the third option is people just stop being greedy, manipulative, immoral assholes.  But knowing the human condition; we can't expect people to be that way.

 

The NCAA says it's rules exist to protect the integrity of College Athletics as a "pure sport" Bullshit.  The NCAA's rules exist to protect the gravy-train. 

Not just the gravy train, but all the big-time institutions that they all are from.  The committees are stacked so completely in favor of the power conferences it is pathetic.  Especailly when it comes to sports where teams are selected and or seeded in national competitions.  

[UAZip0510]

4 hours ago, K92 said:

It's a victimless crime.

 

Say that to the coaches who actually ran a clean program, didn't win enough because they didn't cheat for recruits, and lost their jobs.

[K92]

23 minutes ago, UAZip0510 said:

 

Say that to the coaches who actually ran a clean program, didn't win enough because they didn't cheat for recruits, and lost their jobs.

I am a bit unfazed by all the uproar over "cheating".  After Penn State basically got slapped on the wrist for covering for a serial pedophile, I kinda lost all hope for the NCAA.  They are all hat no cattle.  To borrow a government term, these high power college programs are "too big to fail" and justice is simply just not going to happen.

[Hilltopper]

1 hour ago, K92 said:

I am a bit unfazed by all the uproar over "cheating".  After Penn State basically got slapped on the wrist for covering for a serial pedophile, I kinda lost all hope for the NCAA.  They are all hat no cattle.  To borrow a government term, these high power college programs are "too big to fail" and justice is simply just not going to happen.

That's why this intervention by the FBI is so important. When the NCAA investigates the big programs have army's of lawyers and plenty of money to make it go away. Coaches make sure insulate themselves from what ever wrongdoings and assure the assistant coaches they will take of them financially for taking the blame. In this case, the assistants are looking at time in the Federal slammer. They are going to throw their bosses under the bus for reduced sentences. 

[K92]

8 minutes ago, Hilltopper said:

That's why this intervention by the FBI is so important. When the NCAA investigates the big programs have army's of lawyers and plenty of money to make it go away. Coaches make sure insulate themselves from what ever wrongdoings and assure the assistant coaches they will take of them financially for taking the blame. In this case, the assistants are looking at time in the Federal slammer. They are going to throw their bosses under the bus for reduced sentences. 

I understand that, but not for NCAA violations but for breaking the law.  Big difference.