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[zipdiehard]

I wouldn't call the posts about the officiating whining, I would call it the reality of how bad of officials the MAC is stuck with. They are continually bad and inconsistent. Don't you think that Christian is upset the way they let Can't play D in the first half and then whistled them left and right in the 2nd? That kind of officiating makes it rough on both teams to adjust and get into any type of flow. I was sitting 4 rows from the floor and saw two perfect example of how bad the MAC officials are: 1) Dials goes in for a layup and is swatted across both forearms and the ball goes out of bounds. Clear foul, yet the official rules it out of bounds to UA. If it wasn't a foul then it was out off of Dials and it should have been Cant's ball. 2 for 1 special on bad calls! 2) Dials fouls one of the Can't players under the hoop - the official near half court makes the call despite his view being blocked by several bodies, yet the official 2 feet away from the play eats his whistle.

[zippyrifle32]

i'm just glad the ref's started making the calls in the second half, whether it was too ticky-tacky or not. if they hadn't taken control of the game it would have gotten really ugly out there with potential injuries. imho, they should have called the game closer from the get go, but at least they adjusted at the half and things settled down a bit.

[skip-zip]

zipsdiehard...I agree with you. It's the inconsistency that makes it so difficult to play with these officials. Inconsistency from half to half, and calling different plays on both sides of the floor differently. I know the MAC officials are bad, but does anyone remember how many times Can't got called for a foul on a blocked shot, although they ran the guy over with the body after the block on nearly every occasion? It happened in the first game too. On the other hand, almost everytime we blocked a shot, it was a foul. Bottom Line is that teams can't play when they have no ideas what you can and can't do because of inconsistency.Actually, I am surprised that league officials do not call a Can't/Akron game more closely, considering what happened in the first game, and the way that it got out of hand. sk...I agree with some of your points. Especially about the recruiting. After a brief down period, Can't is once again the team to beat in this league. And we need to keep up with them. Unfortunately, we've maybe lost touch with them again, AND are about to go through a down year. I hope our people see this, and consider getting some guys who can give us more immediate help in the next couple of years.sk...in all of my years in athletics, when I consider that college games generally end up in the 50-70 point range, I would never call a 23 point performance "limiting" a guy. In fact, that is one of Jeremiah's best offensive outputs of the year.

[ziprowdy]

someone said in an earlier post to stop whining about the officiating because it just always horrible and we should deal with it...someone, may have been the same person, said that unless we have proof that there was a a fix in the officiating to shut up...something along those lines...well A) nobody said anything about a fix with the reffs before that person did...however...with the NBA scandal if i remember correctly it was a couple officials...but in any one game there was only one or possibly two crooked officials on the floor during the games that were fixed...heres my thought on the possibility...we know he officials are downright awful...all of them...the inconsistency, missing blatant travel calls, etc...if there was a fix...how would it be noticed???...i mean theyre horrible to begin with...if the idea is for them to screw us, which they usually always do at some point of a game...how would we be able to tell the difference???...i mean i have no proof on the situation, and i highly doubt there was any sort of a fix...now it wouldnt surprise me if it did...i mean people nowadays will do anything for the benefit of themselves, they dont give a shit what they have to do to better themselves...and plus if there was a a fix...obviously its none o our decisions to investigate into this or something...i seriously think after this season of college basketball that SOMEONE in the MAC office needs to look into what exactly is going on...i dont think that is out of the question...and for all of you who say stop rippin on the reffs, i say again...if the players and coaches are allowed to come under scrutiny, then the reffs are allowed to come under scrutiny as well

[gozips19]

for once i agree that the ref's were bad but they didn't favor anyone. no consistency with the flow of the game. Can't's guards are too quick for akron. while i agree that roberts didn't bring much to the table on O his on the ball defense against fisher in the second half was big. i would like to see him get more min. if they play again. another guy i'd like to see get more time would be b. mcnight. aside from wood he's the only tough match up for Can't. put him on singeltary on D and have him run high low with wood. Can't had a hard time with that. streaky shooting all year. thought they fixed it with their ball movement recently. they need to have crisper passes to get better looks. i feel a little better the day after and am ready for the Q on thrus!!!!!

[Zipper10]

Does anyone know if Can't has a website like this one? i would love to see what they have to say about this game...if they thought the refs were bad and what they thought about that amazing comebackand some people say they out played us for 38 minutes i would say it was only for the first half...we played just as good in the second half as they did if not betterits not Milum and Goddards fault we went 3-23 from the beyond the arc but dam they didn't help to much. and i like what someone else said (not sure in this thread or another) but UNC and Duke didn't start all 5 seniors their senior night!Oh and before i forget...during the Can't intros did one player frisk another as he was introduced? here is to soon being the

[Z-Pouch]

someone said in an earlier post to stop whining about the officiating because it just always horrible and we should deal with it...someone, may have been the same person, said that unless we have proof that there was a a fix in the officiating to shut up...something along those lines...well A) nobody said anything about a fix with the reffs before that person did...however...with the NBA scandal if i remember correctly it was a couple officials...but in any one game there was only one or possibly two crooked officials on the floor during the games that were fixed...heres my thought on the possibility...we know he officials are downright awful...all of them...the inconsistency, missing blatant travel calls, etc...if there was a fix...how would it be noticed???...i mean theyre horrible to begin with...if the idea is for them to screw us, which they usually always do at some point of a game...how would we be able to tell the difference???...i mean i have no proof on the situation, and i highly doubt there was any sort of a fix...now it wouldnt surprise me if it did...i mean people nowadays will do anything for the benefit of themselves, they dont give a shit what they have to do to better themselves...and plus if there was a a fix...obviously its none o our decisions to investigate into this or something...i seriously think after this season of college basketball that SOMEONE in the MAC office needs to look into what exactly is going on...i dont think that is out of the question...and for all of you who say stop rippin on the reffs, i say again...if the players and coaches are allowed to come under scrutiny, then the reffs are allowed to come under scrutiny as well

For the record, I don’t think that we lost the game because of the officiating. Officiating in the MAC is just bad and I believe partially responsible for the MAC conferences overall home team winning percentage being ridiculously high. I do think that we lost because we started off by shooting 1-21 from the 3 and missed at least 10-12 lay-ups early. But.......that being said......Did anyone else notice that the tall, skinny, balding referee called a disproportionate game? I don’t know if this is true but a friend in our reserved section swears he counted that particular referee calling 13 straight fouls against Akron. My friend was counting, I don’t know if he is accurate or not but even if he is close -- I think that is pretty unlikely that this refs positioning on the court would lead to such a lopsided foul count for one team or the other. Anyone else notice this sort of bias by that ref?If the refs let them play, Can't is tough to beat - It's just their style of defense- a lot of grabbing, holding, hand checking and pushing goes on. They crash (and I actually mean crash) the boards very well going thru people to get the ball. If you get into that sort of basketball game with them - they are extremely good and tough to beat.

[skip-zip]

Z-Pouch. One of the guys sitting with me, who is also a very experience basketball guy, noticed the same thing about the balding referee. I didn't notice him calling all-Akron fouls, but I don't pay too much attention to who is making the calls. I wonder if anyone has seen the game footage again and can confirm this?

[Marty McFly]

FYI Darell Roberts was 0-4 with 4 turnovers, I don't think he should be out there in this kind of game just yet.Not saying that his stats were awesome, by any means. What I am saying is that he was one of the only ones pentrating and taking it the Can't. The other hardly ever drove in past the 3 point line.

[3rd&twenty]

someone said in an earlier post to stop whining about the officiating because it just always horrible and we should deal with it...someone, may have been the same person, said that unless we have proof that there was a a fix in the officiating to shut up...something along those lines...well A) nobody said anything about a fix with the reffs before that person did...however...with the NBA scandal if i remember correctly it was a couple officials...but in any one game there was only one or possibly two crooked officials on the floor during the games that were fixed...heres my thought on the possibility...we know he officials are downright awful...all of them...the inconsistency, missing blatant travel calls, etc...if there was a fix...how would it be noticed???...i mean theyre horrible to begin with...if the idea is for them to screw us, which they usually always do at some point of a game...how would we be able to tell the difference???...i mean i have no proof on the situation, and i highly doubt there was any sort of a fix...now it wouldnt surprise me if it did...i mean people nowadays will do anything for the benefit of themselves, they dont give a shit what they have to do to better themselves...and plus if there was a a fix...obviously its none o our decisions to investigate into this or something...i seriously think after this season of college basketball that SOMEONE in the MAC office needs to look into what exactly is going on...i dont think that is out of the question...and for all of you who say stop rippin on the reffs, i say again...if the players and coaches are allowed to come under scrutiny, then the reffs are allowed to come under scrutiny as well

For the record, I don’t think that we lost the game because of the officiating. Officiating in the MAC is just bad and I believe partially responsible for the MAC conferences overall home team winning percentage being ridiculously high. I do think that we lost because we started off by shooting 1-21 from the 3 and missed at least 10-12 lay-ups early. But.......that being said......Did anyone else notice that the tall, skinny, balding referee called a disproportionate game? I don’t know if this is true but a friend in our reserved section swears he counted that particular referee calling 13 straight fouls against Akron. My friend was counting, I don’t know if he is accurate or not but even if he is close -- I think that is pretty unlikely that this refs positioning on the court would lead to such a lopsided foul count for one team or the other. Anyone else notice this sort of bias by that ref?If the refs let them play, Can't is tough to beat - It's just their style of defense- a lot of grabbing, holding, hand checking and pushing goes on. They crash (and I actually mean crash) the boards very well going thru people to get the ball. If you get into that sort of basketball game with them - they are extremely good and tough to beat.

Yes, that particular ref was extremely bad. And it did seem like a bias. My friends in our section were constantly on him. But, on the other hand, I saw a few times when Wood had a hold of Q from behind and nothing was called. Which in my opinion is good, let them play the game. But if the shoe was on the other foot, we'd all be screaming, me included. As i was just saying to a friend, when Akron gets to the point where they are the cream of the crop in the MAC, maybe the refs begin to look the other way with them as well as Cant. No, we didn't lose the game because of the refs, but it does make for interesting bitching.

[skip-zip]

Marty...I know what you are trying to say. Although Roberts didn't seem to help us with his shooting and turnovers. I do like that he shows some potential to drive in the lane and create some things. That's one of the things we've been missing this year without a true point guard. Maybe that speed of his can create some plays during the tournament.

[Let'sGoZips94]

Please just stop with the tired old blame the refs game. We went to the FT line nearly twice as much as Can't did and the bad calls went both ways. Blaming the officials is a cheap and unneccessary way to get around the fact that we lost to a better team.

Ummmm nope, I won't. It was apparent to every Akron or non-partisan fan in attendance. They bumped, they slapped, they swatted, they reached and more often than not, nothing was called. I won't bring it up if it doesn't happen.

It was the non-calls that made me mad. That last second 3, Fisher pushed off on Dials to:A. Clear space.B. Catch his balance.C. Both.If you chose C. (in my opinion) I think you are correct. But yet again like a lot of the night, there was no call when we needed it. Also I noticed that a lot of the time there was a ticky-tack foul called on Akron when the crowd started to get into it. Now I don't know what that was about, but it happens a lot.

[RowdyZip]

Please just stop with the tired old blame the refs game. We went to the FT line nearly twice as much as Can't did and the bad calls went both ways. Blaming the officials is a cheap and unneccessary way to get around the fact that we lost to a better team.

Ummmm nope, I won't. It was apparent to every Akron or non-partisan fan in attendance. They bumped, they slapped, they swatted, they reached and more often than not, nothing was called. I won't bring it up if it doesn't happen.

It was the non-calls that made me mad. That last second 3, Fisher pushed off on Dials to:A. Clear space.B. Catch his balance.C. Both.If you chose C. (in my opinion) I think you are correct. But yet again like a lot of the night, there was no call when we needed it. Also I noticed that a lot of the time there was a ticky-tack foul called on Akron when the crowd started to get into it. Now I don't know what that was about, but it happens a lot.

I agree with this post completely. If you read the post-game comments from Fisher, he admits to pushing off to clear space for the last shot. I don't want to whine, but with virtually no time left it's gonna take a lot more than that to get a whistle, especially out of MAC refs.

[Dr Z]

Smart play because:A. He got away with it.B. It workedC. BothAnswer, C.

[skip-zip]

He does admit in the paper today that he bumped Dials to get some space for that shot. But lets face it, there were a lot bigger issues than that when we play Can't, and it's all of the other no-calls while blocking shots, and flying over people's backs for rebounds. Plus, in the last 3 seconds of the game, and it's Can't, supposedly the darling of MAC basketball, do you really think that call is going to be made? Like I heard KD make reference to after the game, we seemingly have more of an advantage in a game against Can't when the refs take more control of the action. And I can see why that would be true. But when the calls are not consistent on both ends, that's when I get all ticked off. I really would like to know , since it keeps coming up, just how many calls that bald headed ref made in Can't's favor.

[Quickzips]

Can't plays a tough, aggressive, hard nosed style of basketball. Is it the refs job to keep that under control as best as possible? Yeah. If they aren't though you can't just sit around and wait for the refs to do it. You've got to take the aggressivness back to them. I watched them against Toledo earlier in the year and it was the same thing. Can't is a team that can and will fold if you pressure them hard. You can't sit back and try to play a finesse game against them when the refs are letting the teams play. You want to beat them you've got to get up and pressure. Fisher has proven on a couple of occassions this season that he will turn the ball over when he's pressured. Even Can't fans that I've heard from will admit that. You've got to pressure him and look for the easy buckets on the run-out. It's exactley how Toledo beat them earlier in the year and it was a big part of our comeback last night. If we see this team again in the tourney we've got to pressure them.

[RowdyZip]

He does admit in the paper today that he bumped Dials to get some space for that shot. But lets face it, there were a lot bigger issues than that when we play Can't, and it's all of the other no-calls while blocking shots, and flying over people's backs for rebounds. Plus, in the last 3 seconds of the game, and it's Can't, supposedly the darling of MAC basketball, do you really think that call is going to be made? Like I heard KD make reference to after the game, we seemingly have more of an advantage in a game against Can't when the refs take more control of the action. And I can see why that would be true. But when the calls are not consistent on both ends, that's when I get all ticked off. I really would like to know , since it keeps coming up, just how many calls that bald headed ref made in Can't's favor.

The tall bald referee is hands-down the worst referee in the MAC (the really tan guy with the hair plugs is a distant 2nd). He makes consistently poor calls, whether they be biased or not, on both sides of the ball. He often looks confused, and blows the whistles on plays where is the furthest official from the ball. Last night was no different. Is anyone aware of a review process for MAC officials?

[ZippyRulz]

Dials needs to trade some emotion for some shooting accuracy. Hitting 3 of 16 in a big game equals a loss. This team just doesn't have enough consistent scoring depth to help each other out. We'll see the same strategy at the Q...key on Wood and dare us to not stink it up from the outside.

If J-Wood can go off for 23 again while they "key" on him, I'm all for it.

Apparently 23 points from Wood is not enough for us to win. If the opponent keeps him under 30 they have a good chance to beat us.

[ziprowdy]

i agree we need to pressure mr. fisher...but not just him the whole team...man when we had the full court press at the end goin, it was workin pretty much lights out...that last minute and a half we had a fire under our butts...and with good reason...a couple things id like to see if we face Can't State in the mac tourny...go to the full court press early...like the first couple possessions...and just scare the shit out of them...and be agressive right from the get-go...be agressive starting today...yes i know i said today...and then go away from it for a lil bit...and then if possible like the last 10 minutes full-court press every possession...these are college kids, im sure the endurance is not an issue...but w/e the case use the full-court more often...and man idk dude, i think mike bardo just needs to get pissed off at something...idk...he seems timid on the court...if he can get pissed/really really angry at the world or something, we could have something good goin...but yeah more full-court press, and more slashing and penetration from...well somebody...somebody should realize thats what we need to and do it

[MDZip]

Can't plays a tough, aggressive, hard nosed style of basketball. Is it the refs job to keep that under control as best as possible? Yeah. If they aren't though you can't just sit around and wait for the refs to do it. You've got to take the aggressivness back to them. I watched them against Toledo earlier in the year and it was the same thing. Can't is a team that can and will fold if you pressure them hard. You can't sit back and try to play a finesse game against them when the refs are letting the teams play. You want to beat them you've got to get up and pressure. Fisher has proven on a couple of occassions this season that he will turn the ball over when he's pressured. Even Can't fans that I've heard from will admit that. You've got to pressure him and look for the easy buckets on the run-out. It's exactley how Toledo beat them earlier in the year and it was a big part of our comeback last night. If we see this team again in the tourney we've got to pressure them.

You make a good point - here is the high on number of tunrovers in a game this year and it belongs to Al Fisher. Now all we have to do is win enough games to get back to him. :)TURNOVERS................ 10 FISHER, Al (Can't State) vs MIAMI (03/04/08)

[Captain Kangaroo]

Dials needs to trade some emotion for some shooting accuracy. Hitting 3 of 16 in a big game equals a loss. This team just doesn't have enough consistent scoring depth to help each other out. We'll see the same strategy at the Q...key on Wood and dare us to not stink it up from the outside.

If J-Wood can go off for 23 again while they "key" on him, I'm all for it.

Apparently 23 points from Wood is not enough for us to win. If the opponent keeps him under 30 they have a good chance to beat us.

If Wood would make even 50% of his shots from 2-feet-and-in, he would score 30. He's been terrible from point-blank range since he's returned. He needs to pick it up if we're to have any chance in Cleveland.

[ZippyTuba11]

Personally I think the reason Akron lost was that they got out hustled nearly the entire game. They got down so early because Can't moved much faster to every loose ball, every fast break, and every play. Anytime I saw Akron hustle they scored an easy point, especially down the stretch. I loved how much effort they were putting into their game the last 2 minutes. If they can learn to put half that much effort into every play, they would be damn near undefeated this season.I don't know how many times I saw Akron set a great screen and Can't defenders doubled the dribbler and left they guy setting the screen wide open. In the first half, we -never- once took advantage of this. The guy wide open would stand there with deer eyes, watching the guy with the ball futilely trying to get around the double-team. If the guy coming off the screen cuts to the basket and gets the ball, he has an easy two every time. I counted at least 10 times I saw this in the first half where Akron never capitalized.Akron did get about 2 of these plays in the second half to my relief. At least they finally noticed.The bald ref was truly horrible. I saw him call a foul on Wood when he was on the other side of the court with both teams blocking his view. The other two refs didn't call a thing, and I even caught them glancing over to him as if to saw "wtf?". I thought this ref was going to start swinging at KD too, as he would go out of his way to get into Akron's huddle at a couple timeouts to get in KD's face. Anybody else notice this?The end of the game gave me a lot of hope though. If it comes down to Akron/Can't in the finals, I want to see Akron with the full court press. Can't couldn't handle the pressure at all late in the game. If we jump on them hard early and keep the pressure up, we have the deeper bench to tire them out. The only problem is getting the players to be intense before the game is 'on the line.' I don't see the Zips shooting this bad again.