Buckzip

2011 Recruiting Check back on Feb 2 for a complete list. I repeat the question. That is a list of offers. Very few commits from actual talented players. Maybe you're time spent in the middle of SEC country is skewing you're expectations If you're looking for mostly 3-star, multiple 4-star, and occasional 5-star players, you need only stroll over to one of your "other" forums. I put some, but not a whole lot, of credence in the "star" rating systems. But that's just me. At this point, this looks to be a solid, but perhaps unspectacular Zip recruiting class. It addresses the immediate needs (O-line, secondary, plan "B" at QB), although landing a consistent PK would be nice before February comes around. LOL. I am in the middle of SEC country, but that has nothing to do with this. JD had some great classes on paper too. None of these guys looks too impressive to me.

2011 Recruiting Check back on Feb 2 for a complete list. I repeat the question. That is a list of offers. Very few commits from actual talented players.

Where is the talent you say he is bringing in?

This is probably the fifth time I have posted this. It amazes me every time I see a thread by a few people. You guys don't see the ones I edit either. Ok thanks again... Lighten up Francis.

OK.

Is it official that he is leaving?

I wonder if that would be true if the Zips were able to pull out an upset in September. I'm sure walking out of the shoe tons of Columbus State fans would pat Zips fans on the back and say "that was a good fair game, golly gee your better than us" I would guess the words "luck", "suspension", "looked passed", "you suck", "all time"...would hit the top of the hatred list. It's easy to not hate somebody that you know you are better than. You almost feel sorry for them. You might even root for them in something minor. It doesn't make you better, and it doesn't change my dislike for the program. Just to stay on topic, here are the tattoos: Again, you are confusing talking smack with hatred.

[ Again, you indicated that hatred does not exist from OSWho's side. And you'd be incredibly naive if you think that is true. We could debate the magnitude of the hatred all day long and not accomplish anything. That wasn't part of my response. Hatred doesn't exist from the OSU side. You are mistaking hatred for smack and competitiveness talk. There are always threads on here hating on OSU. Suckeyes, OSwho, Cowlumbus, etc. I have never seen anything of that nature from an OSU fan about Akron...Never. Never. Never There are no threads on OSU boards hating on UA. Never. Here there are dozens of posters. On the OSU boards there are thousands of posters. The only Akron mention there ever is is if UA is playing a B10 school and then it is just talking about the game, or when someone like me brings up Akron for whatever reason. Again, there is no hatred towards Akron when I do that. I have never started an OSU thread here...However, if I did, I would be attacked non stop. You know this to be true. When 2 teams play there is always smack talk. However, you and others here hate OSU 24/7/365. Don't even deny it. So you say that some OSU people say UA sucks in football...Well guess what. UA does suck in football. I doubt anyone on this site will argue that point. I am sure when UA and OSU play there will be talk back and forth. There always is. However, I guarantee that the amount of hatred will be much more from the vocal minority from Akron than from the majority from OSU. Again, if you can't see the difference between smack talk, competitive talk and pure hatred, I have nothing I can say to you on the subject. Like I said, I see hatred for OSU here all the time. I have never seen hatred for UA on an OSU site.

The answer is which one would be better for the program long term. The answer is obvious.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look...... GP1, Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well. Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?) Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day. +1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part) Believe it or not, many OSU fans were rooting on the UA soccer team in the tourney too. The hate doesn't go both ways even in the sports UA is superior in. Buckzip, Sometimes I actually intently listen to what you have to say. Other times, I see you as the typical delusional OSWho fan. This comment from you would fall into the latter category. I'd like to introduce you to some people I know, who have done nothing since December 14th but say, "Enjoy your title in a Euro-sport that nobody cares about while we keep kicking your tails in football". And, "You guys keep talking about your soccer title because you aren't good in a REAL sport". I'm seeing a concerted effort to discredit our title that I didn't even expect. Have you seen the footage of the OSWho player kicking Nagbe in the head this year? You don't think that's frustration and a blatant lack of sportsmanship from not being able to beat us? And did you hear the comments from their coach? You don't think that's yet another example of them displaying their arrogance and self-perceived superiority over Akron? I can also introduce you to at least a dozen Zips fans that will tell you that when we go to road games, the games at OSWho are unquestionably the games where we get harrassed the worst by the home fans. Although I wouldn't believe you, you could possibly try to convince someone that these are "isolated incidents". But to flat-out say that there is NO hatred towards Akron coming from OSWho is simply ridiculous and untrue. The highlighted part is the only part I will respond to because the rest is garbage. Yes, I saw it. I also mentioned it was BS and the coach was a complete jackass for saying the red card was harsh. I also posted that clip on the OSU board to see what type of reaction it would get. With the exception of a couple of "who cares about soccer types", which by the way, we actually have here too, everyone attacked the OSU player. Not one defended him. I actually posted that when it was being discussed too. My point was that your statement indicated that there is NO hate coming from OSWho towards Akron. I see none. I can guarantee you that I know many, many, many more OSU people than you do. I can also point you to sites to prove it. All you have is your supposed friends that act that way. I also would bet that you started most of the crap with your supposed friends. This remeinds me of Cincy last year. Most OSU fans were happy that Cincy was doing well. Then the Concy fans started coming to OSU sites and saying they were the best in Ohio and OSU wanted no part of them and being complete jerks. Then of coruse the OSU fans changed their tune. I feel this is you. I have stated many times that there are bad apples everywhere. When you have as big of a fanbase as OSU does there are going to be a decent amount of jerks.. However, your thoughts that most or many are that way is completely incorrect.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look...... GP1, Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well. Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?) Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day. +1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part) Believe it or not, many OSU fans were rooting on the UA soccer team in the tourney too. The hate doesn't go both ways even in the sports UA is superior in. Buckzip, Sometimes I actually intently listen to what you have to say. Other times, I see you as the typical delusional OSWho fan. This comment from you would fall into the latter category. I'd like to introduce you to some people I know, who have done nothing since December 14th but say, "Enjoy your title in a Euro-sport that nobody cares about while we keep kicking your tails in football". And, "You guys keep talking about your soccer title because you aren't good in a REAL sport". I'm seeing a concerted effort to discredit our title that I didn't even expect. Have you seen the footage of the OSWho player kicking Nagbe in the head this year? You don't think that's frustration and a blatant lack of sportsmanship from not being able to beat us? And did you hear the comments from their coach? You don't think that's yet another example of them displaying their arrogance and self-perceived superiority over Akron? I can also introduce you to at least a dozen Zips fans that will tell you that when we go to road games, the games at OSWho are unquestionably the games where we get harrassed the worst by the home fans. Although I wouldn't believe you, you could possibly try to convince someone that these are "isolated incidents". But to flat-out say that there is NO hatred towards Akron coming from OSWho is simply ridiculous and untrue. The highlighted part is the only part I will respond to because the rest is garbage. Yes, I saw it. I also mentioned it was BS and the coach was a complete jackass for saying the red card was harsh. I also posted that clip on the OSU board to see what type of reaction it would get. With the exception of a couple of "who cares about soccer types",which by the way, we actually have here too, everyone attacked the OSU player. Not one defended him. I actually posted that when it was being discussed too.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look...... GP1, Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well. Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?) Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day. +1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part) Believe it or not, many OSU fans were rooting on the UA soccer team in the tourney too. The hate doesn't go both ways even in the sports UA is superior in.

I have a friend who has always said, "Tressel is one bad pass interference call away from being John Cooper" Anyone that watched that game would know that is BS. I could give you video proof and pics but it wouldn't matter. If it wasn't for a missed int call before that and a catch that was called out of bounds when every replay showed it inbounds that play wouldn't have happened. As for the rest, Coop didn't have an 8-1 record vs UM. Coop didn't win multiple B10 titles. To be honest, when people on an OSU board say what I just said, I remind them that UM was better when Coop was coach.

Buckzip, if this data is correct, then I was wrong on the facts about their recruiting rankings. It just seems to me like all of the OSWho fans I know tell me that they have one of the top recruiting classes every year. And that wouldn't surprise me that they're wrong since most of those people are your typical "the Buckeyes can do no wrong" type of fans. Skip, I don't know if those rankings are correct or not. I don't pay a lot of attention to it. I usually look at the current year and don't think much about past classes. Recruiting rankings are very flawed. Neither Oregon nor Auburn are usually in the top 5, but they are playing for the NC. I will agree with you that there are fans that think OSU can do no wrong. You are 100% correct on that. If you were ever on an OSU board you would see myself and quite a few others arguing with them quite a bit too. On the OSU board there are Debbie Downers(those that don't think OSU is the greatest team year in and year out) and Sunshine Pumpers(those that defend everything OSU and are homer to the core) I "assume" every fan base has their share.

First off, it's not my record. I don't know why anyone would get upset. It's a fact. I am sure these are the same friends you always use to try to make a point. You know, the friends that don't exist. By the way, OSU is 7-11-2 VS the SEC. Get your facts straight. They are 0-9 in bowl games. Your "facts" are incorrect. The thing I find amusing about you and the others that think they can hurt my feelings when they say that stuff is because I don't care what you think. You are absolutely clueless about college football and you have no objectivity. You are consumed with jealousy and hate. Deny it all you want. I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts. Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else. Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games. I predicted 3 losses this season. I am surprised at only 1. I have no idea if they will beat Arkansas. I also find it funny that no matter what you say, you are just showing more SPS. Obviously it makes you feel better to attack OSU non stop. That is why you say Suckeyes, and OSwho. It's a defense mechanism that you use. I admit it , I used to do the same type of thing before I reached puberty. I find it funny that you just happen to know their record vs the SEC. Do you know everyones record against every other conference or just the one you like to follow and hate? I love how you have prepared yourself just in case OSU beats Arkansas. You say they are middle of the road in the SEC. Maybe historically they are, but not this season. We go by this season only since this is when they are playing. Again, if OSU loses you and the others will be on here trying to attack me over it. If OSU wins, you will make an excuse for it and say they were lucky, bla, bla, bla. In case you never noticed, I don't come here after OSU games. I don't rub in a win or care what you have to say about a loss. Let's face it, if OSU went 12-0 made it to the NC game and won it, you would find a reason to say they were lucky or give some other excuse as to why they won it. Another poster here mentioned how OSU beat Oregon last year in the Rose bowl only because Kirk Herbstreit made it happen. ROFLMAO. Of course, Oregon was over rated. LOL Perhaps you guys that are so enamored with the SEC can answer why they rarely if ever travel out of conference to road games. OSU has played USC, Texas, Miami, and have Miami and Colorado both next year. Since you are so in love with the SEC, you should probably check out most of those teams OOC schedule. You will see it is as weak or weaker than OSU's. Of course that wouldn't fit your agenda. Keep attacking, you only make yourself look foolish. As for your buddy GP1. After I correct his BS information and lack of facts he never responds. He is like the big bully that isn't used to anyone standing up to him. I know, If I don't care why do I make such long posts? It's because I love pointing out how flawed and ridiculous your posts are. Happy New Year. I am sure your wish is for OSU to lose every game. I think you are happier with an OSU loss than a UA win.

I find it interesting that EVERY YEAR I hear of OSWho having one of the top couple of recruiting classes. Yet, they aren't winning national titles. Honestly, doesn't that leave you to question your coach? If they are indeed getting the best players, but aren't winning the titles, isn't that a no-brainer to classify that as an "underachieving" situation? You could ask that same question of USC, Texas, Florida, and others They should win them every year if recruiting was all that mattered and the rankings were always accurate.. OSU rarely has the #1-5 class. Usually they are between 5-10. They are consistent top 5 finishers having appeared in more BCS games than anyone else and has a winning record in BCS games. ... and 0-9 against the SEC, going on 0-10. Despite the delusions of OSU fans, you aren't a big time program in this country, because you can't compete with the BIG TIME conference. Arkansas is maybe the 5th best team in the SEC, and they're going to spank the Suckeyes with no problem. Having double digit wins every year when you play a pattycake OOC and then go play a bunch of other teams in the Big 10 that have no national significance either means nothing. The Suckeyes would be a middle of the road team in the SEC, if that.

I find it interesting that EVERY YEAR I hear of OSWho having one of the top couple of recruiting classes. Yet, they aren't winning national titles. Honestly, doesn't that leave you to question your coach? If they are indeed getting the best players, but aren't winning the titles, isn't that a no-brainer to classify that as an "underachieving" situation? You could ask that same question of USC, Texas, Florida, and others They should win them every year if recruiting was all that mattered and the rankings were always accurate.. OSU rarely has the #1-5 class. Usually they are between 5-10. They are consistent top 5 finishers having appeared in more BCS games than anyone else and has a winning record in BCS games.

Rumor started by a scUM fan as an attempt to hurt OSU recruiting. Currently OSU is #2 in recruiting according to Scout. Why anyone would believe a rumor started by a Chicago blogger is funny.

well done.

To all my fellow Zips, and even those that hate me for having another Alma Mater too. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and Happy New Year. I hope you all have a safe and happy holiday season.

"They're acting like these guys never KNEW it was illegal to do that stuff. BS If the Sweater Vest was such a virtuous and honest man, he would leave them guys in Columbus and not dress them for the bowl game. Instead, he's APPEALING the penalties. After he admitted they did it. Real men like JD and Keith kick men off of their teams for being stupid. The Vest makes excuses for them and files appeals." What a crock of BS. JT has dismissed many players. He runs one of the cleanest programs in the nation. You know nothing of him at all, and that is apparent. You can bash OSU all you want, but JT is one of the most respected coaches in all of football. Akron has had many players kicked off the team and many that haven't been. The difference is that ESPiN and 10 message boards aren't talking about Akron non stop. If Cam Newton played for Akron do you think we would know about the $200K? No, we wouldn't. He was bought and paid for, and the NCAA is letting him play in the NCG. I suppose you think that is ok. It must be because I don't see a large thread here about him. This crap happens quite oftern. Not an excuse at all. But it does. If the IRS doesn't investigate this tat parlor, none of this is discovered. If you don't think this and much worse happen, even at OSU, you are very misguided. OSU has a strong compliance department. However, they don't babysit the players 24/7/365. If players are going to be stupid, there is nothing you can do about it. Contrary to what the haters want to say, OSU self reported this. There was no coverup. Want to talk about dirty coaches, you should look at many in the SEC and Pete Carrol when at USC. Those guys are dirty. You don't notice that because you aren't obsessed with bashing those guys though. Personally I don't think the players should play. This is a no win situation for OSU. You don't play the players, OSU loses and all that is remembered is that OSU lost to another SEC team. If you play the players, then ESPiN and the talking heads talk about OSU winning with cheaters. The only win for OSU is to suspend the players and still win. Very unlikely to happen. They can't beat the SEC with the starters, no chance without them. Also, is it fair to the rest of the team to be punished for stupidity by Freshman 2 years ago? This one I am torn over. Is it fair to all those that bought tickets, for both teams, to go to New Orleans to watch a game missing the star power? And the biggest thing, do you think the NCAA or network will accept losing the revenue this game will generate?

You're right. Know why? Because we are their first opponent during the terms of the suspension. Bingo. What's hilarious is that you guys probably really believe that. LOL. Hey, I'm sure we all still realize that we'll need a miracle to win. But, one can still hope Don't be so sure. Eventually Akron will be the team to knock someone off the perch. Over confidence for a team can be a bad thing.

You're right. Know why? Because we are their first opponent during the terms of the suspension. Bingo. What's hilarious is that you guys probably really believe that. LOL.

I've stayed pretty silent to kind of let this thing play out a bit, but I pretty much agree with this. I know plenty of OSWho fans, and I will cut them a little slack since most of them hold the almightly OSWho above God, and think they can do no wrong, and it's useless to try to talk rationally with them. BUT, I find it laughable if anyone truly believes that this serious of events was some kind of humanitarian effort to help others. Spare Me !! Beyond that, I'm a Zips fan, and think about what will benefit the Zips. If we allow the big schools with all this money floating around to break rules, it's not a benefit to the Zips. If we allow the bigger schools with a lot of money to pay players, that's a disadvantage to the Zips. So, at this point, I'm completely in favor of enforcing all of these rules, and putting the hammer down on any schools that are getting any kind of unfair advantage becuase players are able to gain benefits that they wouldn't be able to obtain if they played at a MAC school. Wow, I actually agree with Skip. Other than the hypocisy of you saying others aren't rational on a subject, I agree with pretty much everything you said. BTW, not everyone is defending what these kids did as freshman. Many, many are not defending them. It's split nearly 50/50.

Good point.