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Why would you want someone like that? If the reasoning is true why the kicked off the team "dismissed for multiple failed drug tests." The last thing you need on a team is someone like that Guys who like to smoke a little weed don't destroy teams... guys with attitude problems and senses of entitlement do. Give the guy a chance, tell him if he fails one test he's gone, and then leave up to him to either make the best decision for himself or not to. It's a no lose situation.

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Agreed. Just having a little fun with it. Everyone wants tough, aggressive players, particularly on defense. If he's learned to reign it in just a little off the field, then I'm pretty glad he's playing his last season as a Zip! Oh that wasn't directed at your comment, I was just making a general statement. And I agree, we need some NASTINESS up front, that's what our D has been missing for quite a while now. Like you said, as long as he can keep himself out of bad situaitons off the field, he'll be fine.

So the guy got into a fight and beat some serious ass. Pretty common thing for college football players actually, this guy's problem is the authorities got involved. I don't know about this generation, but back when I played if every guy got kicked off the team who got into a fight with some frat chump trying to show how big his nutts were or some drunk who thought he all of a sudden grew five inches and put on 80 pounds of muscle, there wouldn't have been much of a team left. This is a non-issue character wise in my opinion, and MSU's loss is our gain. He should be big for us in '11.

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl...son_oren00.html Oren Wilson. Started 26 games in the past two seasons for Michigan State, and played in every game as a true freshman, so this will be his redshirt year. Hopefully he can stay motivated and in great shape, and succeed in the classroom in his year off (there's no reason to fail senior classes... he's got to be ok if he's made it this far). Could have a HUGE impact as our 1-Tech next season.

While this is entertaining to many of us who have been on this board for a while, just to try to help here so you don't start tearing your hair out, if you look at any of the Zipmeister's posts from the past several years you will find a pattern. He loves sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek types of posts. I'd estimate maybe 1 in 100 of his posts are actually serious. It's his "thing". Even his name was based on a Saturday Night Live character who exhibted some of the same annoying traits. Don't take him seriously as some of his posts are actually quite funny when viewed in that light. Don't get into an argument with him because he will continue to play it for as just as long as this one has seemed to go on. Next week: An analysis of JohnnyZip84. I've been on this board since the beginning (was "OLDSCHOOLZIP" when we switched over from the old angelfire site in '04) and I've never noticed him, but I hope to God that you're right. I should've known no one could be that stupid! I won't play the game any longer.

That Cinci game in '06 was ridiculous. JD came out letting Getsy throw the ball and before you knew it, it was 14-0 and we had 200 yards of offense in the 1st quarter. I was sitting there gleefully anticipating BCS win #2 for the year, and a blowout at that. Then we packed it in, and lost. I don't know if we gained a positive yard after the the 15 minute mark. I agree, JD was way too conservative in the BCS games. I think Purdue '05 scared him out of letting the guns blaze for 60 minutes. I hope Ianello coaches to win, not to avoid catastrophe.

I meant about "National Tryout Day"

As per your instructions, I have reread the posts and am now getting back to you. So what you are saying, if I understand correctly, is that when you get caught changing your explanation over and over and can't seem to get your story straight no matter how hard you try and some one points out to you that you can't offer the same explanation twice in a row, you resort to calling people names. It would have been more polite to just make up another explanation. And what if poor Clay is reading this thread? By this time, he may be terribly confused about when he should report to practice. Ill take it from here... thanks No one wins when you argue on the internet *Read text does not have the benefit of delivery mechanisms like hand motions, facial expressions, etc *You are experiencing a large amount of cognitive dissonance that is not allowing you to read his comments and take them at their face value. Your anger and what every other emotions that are driving you to follow this thread are masking your brain's ability to understand. I'm gonna give ole Zipmeister one more shot at this cornbread. If he doesn't get it this time, I'm going to be awfully embarrassed to say that he has a degree from the same institution of higher learning that I do. Now follow along Zipmeister... 1. There is no NCAA rule on when teams must hold walk-on tryouts. There's no "National Tryout Day" like national signing day. It's completely up to the football staff. 2. Most teams hold tryouts after the season starts. They don't want to house and feed walk-ons who will have no chance to contribute during the season and are only needed for scout team. There's no scout team in camp. 3. Akron has usually held walk-on tryouts around the 1st week of school or shortly thereafter, as do most schools. Now, not one of those statements contradict each other. If you feel that they do, please don't ever take a logic class. You will be sorely disappointed with your grade. Now this explanation was much more clear than your previous attempts. The only thing missing was that you failed to specify the exact date of National Tryout Day as required by the NCAA. Speaking of logic classes; one of my favorite undergraduate classes was Sentential Calculus. Oh God. I hope that was sarcastic

Ya know watching these videos of Ianello, he really comes off as an arrogant, full of himself, schmuck. Maybe that's unfair from just watching YouTube videos and having never met the guy (which is kind of hard when he cancels events to connect with the alumni), but I usually get a pretty good sense of people just from observing them. I can see why a lot of players have had problems with him. J.D. may have failed as a coach, but he was always a very sincere and caring guy that obviously put a lot of stock in his relationships with people. Lee Owens was the same way. I guess none of this will matter if the guy wins, but I'm just making the observation that he seems like a real douche bag. Douche bags that lose don't last as long as nice guys that lose. I hope Rob realizes that and knows he has to win.

As per your instructions, I have reread the posts and am now getting back to you. So what you are saying, if I understand correctly, is that when you get caught changing your explanation over and over and can't seem to get your story straight no matter how hard you try and some one points out to you that you can't offer the same explanation twice in a row, you resort to calling people names. It would have been more polite to just make up another explanation. And what if poor Clay is reading this thread? By this time, he may be terribly confused about when he should report to practice. Ill take it from here... thanks No one wins when you argue on the internet *Read text does not have the benefit of delivery mechanisms like hand motions, facial expressions, etc *You are experiencing a large amount of cognitive dissonance that is not allowing you to read his comments and take them at their face value. Your anger and what every other emotions that are driving you to follow this thread are masking your brain's ability to understand. I'm gonna give ole Zipmeister one more shot at this cornbread. If he doesn't get it this time, I'm going to be awfully embarrassed to say that he has a degree from the same institution of higher learning that I do. Now follow along Zipmeister... 1. There is no NCAA rule on when teams must hold walk-on tryouts. There's no "National Tryout Day" like national signing day. It's completely up to the football staff. 2. Most teams hold tryouts after the season starts. They don't want to house and feed walk-ons who will have no chance to contribute during the season and are only needed for scout team. There's no scout team in camp. 3. Akron has usually held walk-on tryouts around the 1st week of school or shortly thereafter, as do most schools. Now, not one of those statements contradict each other. If you feel that they do, please don't ever take a logic class. You will be sorely disappointed with your grade.

Rodgers is athletic enough to be used in a wildcat formation. I think whoever somes up short in the competition will still see playing time. Vegas thinks Rodgers is more talented than Nicely. They may very well be right. Despite some on this board's wishful desires to crown him the next great MAC QB, he has given us no reason to think that. Rodgers could very well end up starting. I'm sure the staff will know a lot more about who can get the job done than we will, and the best player will play.

I would take Akron also. The Orangemen will be one of the worse teams in the country this year! No they won't. Syracuse will be a solid middle of the road BE team that probably gets back into a bowl game come December/January. Their new coach is doing good things up there, they had a solid recruiting class, have some JUCOs that are gonna help out, and have some talent returning. They'll be hurt Week 1 without Carter, but let's remember, we were one of the worst teams in the country last year, and we're going into our first game with two completely new systems on both sides of the ball. There will be miscues and indecision, take it to the bank. If I were a betting man, I'd take Syracuse with this spread. I see Orange 14+... but I hope I'm wrong.

Wow he must've really gone in there and sucked to not even make it to the first preseason game.

Sandilands was actually given a scholarship by JD in his freshman season, and he has contributed. Other than that, you're spot on though. Be nice to have some of these guys back, but nothing earth shattering here.

The new facilities seem to be paying dividends. This is the type of player we would've never gotten 5 years ago. Offers from BCS schools with more certainly to follow, and this kid isn't one of the highly rated THUGS we saw in the early Brookhart years that will never see the field. I just hope Pitt or Cinci don't come along and talk this kid out of his commitment with chatter about their ability to play for a national championship and all that jazz. That's a common pitch from BCS schools when they're recruting against MAC schools for a kid, but what the kid needs to realize is that you have about the same chance of playing for a national championship at places like Cinci and Pitt as you do at Akron.... and that's zero. Great pickup and hopefully more of his caliber to follow. Hiring the "recruiter" as opposed to the "X's and O's" guy as head coach could pay big dividends. You can hire assistants to be X's and O's guys, they're the ones that are really "coaching" anyways. A head coach can have next to nothing in terms of football knowledge, and if he's a good manager, a good speaker, a good leader of men, and a good recruiter, he can be a very successful head coach with the right assistants. The staff RI put together looks strong. Hopefully he can give them the talented players to coach that they need to win. This commitment looks like a good start.

Any source? Facebook. He's now at Nassau CC. Well then I don't know if "transferred out" is the proper term... "failed out" might work a little better.

While I like what Rob has inherited and I definitely think he has the talent to compete right away, JD inherited 4 NFL players, and many others that were in NFL camps. I don't know that I see 4 future NFL players on this squad. Still, the talent is there for similar results.... Rob can win the MAC within the next two years and should compete for it next year.

Ahhhhh 2003... the Year of the MAC. Miami, Toledo, NIU, Bowling Green, Marshall... all nationally ranked. The Zips weren't too shabby either, in comparison to nowadays, with I believe the #6 offense in the country, holding down the #1 spot for a few weeks that season. That was the year the MAC was dropping BCS teams like flies, and the Zips would've been in on the action had the refs not robbed us at Wisconsin, and if Swiger had been able to kick a ball into the ocean at UConn. Back then it looked like the MAC was on it's way to becoming the nation's premiere non-BCS football conference. My how the times have changed

Ya know Ashland rocked us in a 7 on 7 a few years ago. I bet they would beat us on the field too . On the other hand (the one that holds reality), Ashland and YSU would be a very good matchup on the field. A perennial D2 top 25 team against a 1-AA program that has been completely mediocre since Tressel left. They should make that happen.

The short and sweet in lay terms: The case in going back to the lower courts, and we're going to lose.

omg, what a fugging joke!! Anyone who has ever been a college athlete knows that 7 on 7 scrimmages between players in the summer mean absolutely nothing! Nobody even keeps the score, and there's no refs, so it's impossible to declare when someone is really down, scored, whatever. If some poser from YSU actually attempted to post a score, it shows his inferiority complex. Why you would even post something like this is beyond me, it shows nothing, and just makes you look stupid for acting like it tells us something.

The first sentence of this piece has me wondering. "It has been nearly nine months since Tri-Valley's Clay Cameron capped a superb high football school career." I’m not sure whether to be happy the kid went to a football school or upset that apparently he was always high. I did learn something new. Had no idea walk-ons cannot start practicing at the same time scholarship players do. Also it sounds like the kid isn't sold on being a linebacker. Preferred walk-ons always go to camp with the team and are usually treated just like scholarship players with opportunities to compete for spots. Try-out walk-ons are added after tryouts the first week of the season, and are brought in as scout team fodder. Well that just doesn't seem right. Who are teams going to use to fill out their scout team for their first game if they can't even have walk-on tryouts until the first week of the season? And doesn't this put teams whose season starts later in the year at a disadvantage? Oh most preferred walk-ons will still end up on scout team once the season starts, as will all scholarship players getting redshirted or transfers sitting out (I hear Luke Getsy was one heluva scout team QB in '04). Preferred are just given an opportunity to compete and work in during camp, whereas the tryout guys, they'll be lucky if a coach or GA ever even learns their name.... they're scout team from the start. Being on scout team for the first game sucks because those guys never get a blow in practice, but once the try-out guys come in you have more bodies to throw in there and keep guys fresh. This was a wonderful explanation, but you completely ignored the inter-squad inequity issue. I believe the only way to correct this problem is to require all teams to start their seasons on the same week. Teams can have walk-on tryouts whenever they want, most teams just wait until school starts so they don't have to pay to house, transport, and feed a bunch of guys during camp who have no chance to play. I believe the NCAA cap for guys in camp is 105, but most teams won't carry that many to camp. I'm not really sure where the inequity is? Now hold on a sec there partner. You told me before that tryouts were not held until the first week of the season. Now you say they can be held anytime they want. That means that they could hold them the week before practice starts, but the guy who wrote the article which started me wondering in the first place says that regular walk-ons cannot start practicing at the same time as scholarship players. So just what's goin on here? Were you streachen the truth before, or now? What do you not understand?? At Akron, walk-on tryouts are the first week of school (at least they always have been), so if you aren't a preferred walk-on, you can't start practicing until the first week of school when you make the team. There's no NCAA rule on when you can hold walk-on tryouts, but almost all programs hold them when school starts. There's no point in bringing in scout team guys when there's no scout team in camp, and there's no point in paying for guys to eat and sleep on campus when they will be getting no reps in camp. What the heck are you confused about, and where exactly did I contradict myself? I don't understand why you keep changing your explanation. First, it was they can't hold tryouts till the first week of the season. Then, it was whenever they want. Now, it's the first week of school. Three explanations, three start times, and you don't see where you are contradicting yourself! Dude, you are a complete idiot. Reread the posts and get back to me.

I'm disturbed by Rasor's reporting of a "rebuilding" attitude by Ianello. Say what you will about JD, but his last couple recruiting classes were solid and he did not "leave the cupboard bare." There is the talent on the team to win the MAC next year and it is not the time to start playing a bunch of freshman to hopefully be good 2-3 years down the road. Neither the fans nor Proenza have the patience for that. If you want to build something here, win right out the gate and establish a culture of winning here, and get the fans excited. Another 3-9 season reestablishes the culture of losing that has been Akron football the last 5 years.

The first sentence of this piece has me wondering. "It has been nearly nine months since Tri-Valley's Clay Cameron capped a superb high football school career." I’m not sure whether to be happy the kid went to a football school or upset that apparently he was always high. I did learn something new. Had no idea walk-ons cannot start practicing at the same time scholarship players do. Also it sounds like the kid isn't sold on being a linebacker. Preferred walk-ons always go to camp with the team and are usually treated just like scholarship players with opportunities to compete for spots. Try-out walk-ons are added after tryouts the first week of the season, and are brought in as scout team fodder. Well that just doesn't seem right. Who are teams going to use to fill out their scout team for their first game if they can't even have walk-on tryouts until the first week of the season? And doesn't this put teams whose season starts later in the year at a disadvantage? Oh most preferred walk-ons will still end up on scout team once the season starts, as will all scholarship players getting redshirted or transfers sitting out (I hear Luke Getsy was one heluva scout team QB in '04). Preferred are just given an opportunity to compete and work in during camp, whereas the tryout guys, they'll be lucky if a coach or GA ever even learns their name.... they're scout team from the start. Being on scout team for the first game sucks because those guys never get a blow in practice, but once the try-out guys come in you have more bodies to throw in there and keep guys fresh. This was a wonderful explanation, but you completely ignored the inter-squad inequity issue. I believe the only way to correct this problem is to require all teams to start their seasons on the same week. Teams can have walk-on tryouts whenever they want, most teams just wait until school starts so they don't have to pay to house, transport, and feed a bunch of guys during camp who have no chance to play. I believe the NCAA cap for guys in camp is 105, but most teams won't carry that many to camp. I'm not really sure where the inequity is? Now hold on a sec there partner. You told me before that tryouts were not held until the first week of the season. Now you say they can be held anytime they want. That means that they could hold them the week before practice starts, but the guy who wrote the article which started me wondering in the first place says that regular walk-ons cannot start practicing at the same time as scholarship players. So just what's goin on here? Were you streachen the truth before, or now? What do you not understand?? At Akron, walk-on tryouts are the first week of school (at least they always have been), so if you aren't a preferred walk-on, you can't start practicing until the first week of school when you make the team. There's no NCAA rule on when you can hold walk-on tryouts, but almost all programs hold them when school starts. There's no point in bringing in scout team guys when there's no scout team in camp, and there's no point in paying for guys to eat and sleep on campus when they will be getting no reps in camp. What the heck are you confused about, and where exactly did I contradict myself?