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Brian Pollian (Stanford) or Matt Campbell (Toledo)
Only one pick!
Fair enough,
Brian Pollian it is Mr. Sajak (everyone else is going Campbell)
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Brian Pollian (Stanford) or Matt Campbell (Toledo)
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Polian's father, Bill, is the vice chairman of the Indianapolis Colts and his older brother Chris, serves as the team's general manager. His younger brother Dennis also works in player personnel with the NFL.
I thought the last name sounded familiar. No way do I want any part of this guy. Take him off the radar!!!!!!!!!!!
Could you explain your reasoning? Strong ties to an NFL team are not exactly a knock to a coach.
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Special Teams Coordinator...
And recruiting coordinator, he learned from the best during his previous tenure, at Notre Dame.....from 2005-2009. Think about it...
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This is the guy who 'allegedly' did a domestic on his wife?
At least we know he can beat somebody.
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Maybe free beer. But students at Akron have never attended in significant numbers. I go back to 1970 as a student. Thats when the program was a winner. Never saw too many of us college kids on a regualr basis.
The campus atmosphere is quite a bit different now, then it was in the 70s.
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The MAC will likely have the most exciting football game on this evening.
NIU vs Ohio or UCLA vs Oregon
Though I think the UCLA vs. Oregon game will be higher scoring. (17-70 for 87 points) vs. The 35-31 win for Ohio.
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Only 5 coaches in almost 40 years. You'd think we'd be the model of consistency. Well at least iCoach was.
We are the model of consistency, consistantly inconsistant.
Also a very telling indicator is that the mean across all coaches over the the last 40 years has been between 5-6 wins. (Minus the outlier that was I-Coach).
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1) I think the idea that he has "contacts" with the recruits likely to go to the MAC is overstating it. A kid set on deciding between Purdue, Indiana, Western Michigan, Toledo, or Can't is not likely to have establsihed a serious relationship with a D2 school.
2) Touting Paul's Akron ties for recruiting is valid for NE Ohio. But Akron (any D1) has to recruit outside of this state to be competitive. Recruiting in NE Ohio not going to get us where we need to be.
Frankly, given a likely list of finalists, I'm not sure we'll find anyone who is a slam dunk on recruiting. For instance, Gill has a D1 head coaching track record, but can he get kids from Georgia, New York, Illinois, etc. to come to Akron? Who knows?
We've never had a problem recruiting out of state. Look at our roster. The problem has been retaining quality NEO guys that choose Toledo, Ball State, Miami, or Ohio over Akron. We get out recruited in our own backyard. That is bad. If we want to improve the program we need to be on area kid's top 3 list, and there is no reason we shouldn't be.
As far as recruiting goes, he was here for several years with Lee Owens. Winters helped recruit several offensive players that went on to play in the NFL.
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To add to what GP1 and ITZ are saying. He is a known face to many coaches already in the area. He has taken some of these under-rated kids and missed out on some that chose FCS and MAC schools only because they wanted to be at the D-1 level. If he is at Akron those same coaches know him, know what he did for their players and he will be able to better recruit talent because they know what he is all about.
There is one other thing that has been left out of the equation to this point. Winters is a St. V. alumnus. St. V. alumni are one of the most powerful, money rich, and influential groups in Akron. Just being part of that group will go a long way to improving the team.
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And Gill is far from a viable candidate.
Well, he has D-1 HC experience, unlike your favorite. Nothing personal.
Maybe you should go back to the world's alleged number 1 sport.
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And Gill is far from a viable candidate.
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And to g-mann17, you need to get out more often dude! The USA is a small part of where you live -- but the only part for which Am football is king (even in Canada, possibly including Buffalo, hockey is #1!). Maybe the best thing about Akron U. being a soccer school is that we are so far ahead of the American curve. Consider the possibilities if Akron becomes a capital of US cosmopolitanism. Soccer/football's rise is globalization from below (despite the impact of AEG), which is what #OWS exists for. Whoa, hope I didn't belie my politics there...
Yes the USA is a small part of the globe, but a huge part of the global economy. And in the land of the # 1 economy football is king. Heck in India cricket is king, go tell them about soccer. I believe in China table tennis is still numero uno. Japan its baseball. Maybe you need to get out more.
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This whole thing is zany. Even for an internet chat board it's zany.
As zany as thinking all of Notre Dame's 5th year seniors were going to leave ND to rescue the Zips.
There are a number of good jobs open for experienced coaches this year and not a large number of big names looking. Akron is forever hamstrung by their inability to pay big $$ to get a top name. Those top names are either taking time off or moving into top assistant roles where they can live good and make big $$ while waiting out another opportuntiy or not (see Mike Stoops).
Crazy things could happen, like Mike Johnson returning to Akron instead of the NFL, but the smart money is on a DII coach moving up. Winters? Could be.
However, just to show I can't avoid the all the wacky fun, how about Chris Spielman?
Spielman wasn't a good player, heck he isn't even a good announcer. He has no coaching experience and quite frankly, no people skills.
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Well....I WOULD say he rebuilt it. The coach before Turner Gill (Jim Hofher)won 8 total games in 5 seasons. Buffalo won a total of 10 games and lost 69 during Hofher's 5 years and the 2 years of the coach before him. The only hard work Gill capitalized on was HIS OWN.
You can't blame Gill on what happened after he left. It comes down to making the right hire and apparently Buffalo didn't do that either. Look at Florida....Spurrier leaves and Ron Zook comes in. The football team goes in the tank. Zook leaves and Meyer comes in....the team is good again. Everyone says Meyer won his first national championship with Zook's players...which is true...but recruiting players is one thing....coaching and getting the most of them is something totally different. Again, it is about hiring the right person.
Ok, lets see...
Gill, 20-30 as a head coach. Relied heavily on JUCO kids and transfers to win a MAC Championship in 2008. Yes, Buffalo was awful before he got there, but they should have been awful because they were an awful 1-AA team, and before that an awful D-3 team. Which gets to my point that Gill didn't "build" anything there. He found out how to win for a hot a minute and road that success to another offer and left the team with nothing. His replacement, Jeff Quinn, is a Brian Kelley guy. He assumed he was going to a team with something, and truth be told they had nothing.
As for Zook, Zook took the Gators to three consecutive bowl games. Two 6-2 SEC records and missed a shot at an SEC championship game because of a tie breaker. The Gators haven't been in the "tank" since 1979 (0-10) that was the last losing season they had. Why? Several reasons, but mostly because they hire coaches that continue on the tradition. When Florida has to dump a coach its because his stuff isn't working anymore. It's not because the program is failing.
If Gill had done his job in Buffalo any mediocre coach should have been able to be plugged in and been mediocre (in the MAC that is 5-7 to 4-8). Gill failed, and his style is why he isn't coaching in the Big 12 anymore.
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Soccer supporters - like it or not you are in the US, football is king here, it likely always will be.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
I have been a fan of american football since I was 10 years old.
I doubt anything would ever replace the deeply ingrained involvement I developed for football, but that is just me, and I could easily see Soccer growing in my sports world. Right now, you can find football all over the TV on saturdays and sundays. Soccer is something you have to search for. That is an advantage that will go away some day.
And I am just a generation. It may take a few generations, but I could see soccer on the top of the heap in the U.S. eventually.
High school football receives higher ratings then professional soccer. Think about that for a minute.
The problem with US futbol is that we don't have the best players playing. Likely never will. Too much money for athletes to get into football, baseball, basketball and for those soccer players that are "great" they head to Europe where the money is.
I follow soccer, I played both footballs growing up, I buy FIFA video games more often then Madden. But the rest of this country isn't about it.
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Its my opinion that Akron needs to decide if they want to hire a known commodity coach who will rebuild the program and then leave for a "bigger" and "better" job, or do they want to hire a relatively unknown coach who might take longer to rebuild...but will stay onboard for the long-haul(Keith Dambrot). If we are looking for a quick rebuild type coach, I think Turner Gill would be worth looking into. He knows how to win in the MAC, is recently unemployed, and he rebuilt a Buffalo program that was is as bad of shape as Akron currently is in.
I would say he didn't "rebuild it" look at what has happened since he left. Relegated to playing us for "Turd of the conference". A rebuilt program would sustain success after a coach. Maybe you dip to mediocre for a year as the team adjusts to the new coach, but certainly not to the abysmal depths that Akron and Buffalo have sunk.
Gill did what Brookhart did. Took some other coach's hard work, win with it, and try to get the heck out. JD's problem was his success happened in his second year in an era where a coach had to have "sustained success" to get a new job. Now you just need to be a flash in a pan and people want to throw money at you without looking at what you had to work with.
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Ok, this whole thing is stupid. Someone send an e-mail to the athletic department and ask about continued expansion.
As for soccer/olympic sports/non revenue vs. football.
Soccer supporters - like it or not you are in the US, football is king here, it likely always will be.
Football purests - that soccer national championship did more for this school then the football program has done since the MAC championship (look at fundraising, this past year was the highest fundraising totals since 2006).
The real bottom line is that the programs aren't competing with each other, and we are better off having as much success in as many sports as possible. Anybody that roots against any Akron program, for any reason, is not a real Zip.
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Maybe getting the D-2 Champ Coach gets a little more of a buzz going in the area? We know that Pluto would be all over it.
Not as much as if it were a D-3 Champ Coach.
So we are all coming to agreement that Winters should get his shot?
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Football Scoop update (probably already posted but I'm lazy)
Akron: Multiple sources tell us that the University has spoken with Joe Moorhead (quarterbacks coach at UConn), Paul Winters (head coach at D-II Wayne State) and Mike Johnson (offensive coordinator / interim head coach at UCLA). All three have good ties to Akron. We believe Johnson will provide his input; but remain on the west coast. Both Moorhead and Winters are coaching this weekend. Winters' team, a 6 seed, is playing the defending national champion MN - Duluth and UConn is at Cincinnati needing a win to be bowl eligible. Should get interesting in Akron next week.
So looking at guys with Akron connections is a good start.
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Go look at his roster, the size is better than ours. You will see guys from Shaw and St. V and other area schools.
He's already paid his favors to big high school coaches. He can totally recruit upper tier MAC talent. Plus his assistants, surely some will come with him, already understand the MAC.
He unified a campus much like our own. It's what we need.
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I think the best thing for ZN.o is for Zach to pick the coach, because then if the coach doesn't turn the Zips around, we won't have to read all of Zach's posts about the idiot who picked the head coach.
+1
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A lion surrounded by meer kats. I truly hope after next season he gets a shot in the pros, cause the kid really has it.
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I'm guessing that there has to be a some reason why Kelly has spent the last couple of decades moving from GVSU to CMU to Cincinnati to Notre Dame. And during that same general time frame, Winters has been an OC at his alma mater, and has been at a D-II school in urban Detroit ever since.
Skip, I never like to bring this thing up, but if Winters is qualifed like ITZ says, there is one distinct difference between the two of them.
Now it is sad that it has to be that way, but when there are a whopping 3 (maybe 5 now, I don't remember, in 2009 it was 3) African American coaches in the FBS, that can explain why Winters hasn't really gotten much opportunity.
To me race should never be a factor, but when the vast majority of schools are run by old white people, what do you expect.
There are some things I've been reading about Winters, and that is why I am not a staunch no against him. I just need more and more information. I was concerned about recruiting, but since he is in Michigan with 5 FBS school, and two right in his own backyard, for him to be able to recruit enough talent to his school to compete is a big deal. Also I believe he had to spend the first few years fixing facilities there. (Hence the lag).
He should be one of the final 3, but not because he's an alum, or has Akron ties, but because he has some serious qualifications. If the final 3 are all equal, then you take into account the other stuff and Winters wins out. If he isn't as qualified as the other 2, then Coach Winters, we need the most qualified candidate not the most loyal. (this all comes down to who actually moves along.) Between Him, Campbell, and say Wolford, I'd take Winters. Between Martin, Winters, and say Fritz (that I mentioned before) I think I take Martin.
*edit - This last paragraph is exactly why he should have been hired last time over Ianello.
Hire Paul Winters Now.
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Beckman is on the Illini's short list. Does that hurt our chances of getting Campbell? If he is a real up and comer Toledo could just hand him the reins.