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Nobody said he will have success but BZ and skip you both discount his success because it's at D2.
Keep making whatever dumb excuses you have to so you can stay negative.
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Official Toledo names Campbell head coach.
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I am still stumped as to what Winters have ever done that anyone here thinks he would be a good HC.
He has coached in the little league and has a slightly above record. So he is having a good season this year.
He has done nothing.
What did Brian Kelly do? Took over a successful Lakers program and continued to win, whoopity-do. That got him the CMU job, where he took a team that had been down for 7 seasons and righted the ship. Kelly's record at CMU 19-16 in three seasons, one of those being 10-4 so 9-12 the two years prior? But people consider him a little more than a good coach.
Winters has a slightly above average record? He took over a team that hadn't had a winning season in a decade and hadn't had significant success since 1975. They didn't even have all 38 scholarships given out nor people willing to take them when he got there. It's funny some of you on here are "what have you done for me lately" type people yet you dismiss his current success to focus on the very early part of his career there. He took a kid that should have had talent (Joe Long, Jake Long's brother) and made him work so that he could actually show that talent. He will likely have 3 people in the NFL when everything is said done, from a D-2 school. He knows how to develop talent, he was a successful OC in the MAC. What do you people have against him?
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From Footballscoop.com:
Eastern Illinois: We have been told that Dino Babers has offered the defensive coordinator role to former Akron defensive backs coach Kim McCloud.
Kansas: We hear that Ron Powlus has an offer to join Charlie Weis' staff. Powlus spent the past two seasons at Akron and was with Weis at Notre Dame prior to that.
From Coachingsearch.com:
Duke: Don't be surprised if Duke head coach David Cutcliffe offers the offensive line job to former Akron offensive coordinator John Latina. Latina served as Cutcliffe's offensive line coach at Ole Miss for six seasons.
What we really need is for the defensive coordinator to get picked up so we don't have to pay his contract.
DC/OC and all position coaches were on single year contracts. They were released and are paid through February. The only person we need to have find a job is Ianello.
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Where did you hear anything about Arkansas State or Toledo, or any "bigger schools"? Other than the fan on the Toledo fan website who said he would like to see his school look at Winters? And a number of candidates have been mentioned in connection with the Arkasnsas State job, and he is not one of them.
Seriously. Don't make such a bold claim just to try to win an argument. I've said all along (and I will stick to my word) that I would possibly think differently about Winters as a candidate if other D-1A programs were competing with us to lure him as a head coach. And an article that someone recently posted here said that he has been contacted for a few assistant jobs, but has stayed at Wayve because he wanted to remain a head coach. If that's changed, please tell me where.
Do you not expect to be called out on here when you tell someone they are wrong, and to "get over themselves" when you state something as fact, and cannot substatiate your claim ?
Skip, so you're calling me out? LOL I guess because your belief that D-II is too low for a coach to be "significant" was blown out of the water by me and everyone else.
I don't need to substantiate anything because all coaching changes are "rumors" until they are official. You look on certain boards and you talk to certain people offline and offrecord and you can find out who has asked Wayne St for permission to talk to him this year.
I'm tired of certain elements making up reasons why Winters is somehow not qualified or "below" us. None of you want to face what reality is. Reality is that their our 30-40 coaches in levels below FBS and FCS that are great coaches, outstanding coaches that would succeed at our level with no problem at all, but they are overlooked. The real question is why are they overlooked. Is it because they only have to recruit 38 people instead of 85? Is it because they have to find a way to win with budgets that are less than what our soccer team operates on? Or is because this group of coaches shares something in common with Mr. Winters that seems to be a near automatic disqualifier for FBS football? You guys figure it out.
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Skip, let me get this straight. Brian Kelly takes a very decent Geand Valley St wins national championships goes to CMU and wins. Winters has taken Lake Erie (that is what Wayne was equivalent to when he got there) and has them playing in the national championship. Winters knows how to get it done, stop with this "so what it's D2" BS. Chip Kelly went from FCS to BCS, so did Tressel. Those schools and their supporters had the same problems. Winters is getting interest from 4 or 5 schools at our level, get over yourself.
If you are saying that this is true, then you must know who they are.
Would you kindly share the schools with us?
Toledo, Akron, Arkansas St., and he was a long shot for some of the bigger schools (probably because of equal opportunity), plus there are FCS schools that have given him a look. His name is not mentioned as much because he's so rooted in the Akron job.
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I say we count the UNC championship as our own, because without our guy they don't win it.
So good job and congrats to Speas, and back to back titles for the Zips! (Once a Zip, always a Zip)
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Skip, let me get this straight. Brian Kelly takes a very decent Geand Valley St wins national championships goes to CMU and wins. Winters has taken Lake Erie (that is what Wayne was equivalent to when he got there) and has them playing in the national championship. Winters knows how to get it done, stop with this "so what it's D2" BS. Chip Kelly went from FCS to BCS, so did Tressel. Those schools and their supporters had the same problems. Winters is getting interest from 4 or 5 schools at our level, get over yourself.
You can't translate how guys will work out at different levels. Lee Owens did nothing here and he is running a very successful program at the D2 level. While Winters has done a great job turning around Wayne State, I have no idea how he will translate into a D1 coaching job.
Nothing is guaranteed ever. But skip is discounting success because the level despite others doing less with more and then finding success at the FBS level.
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Skip, let me get this straight. Brian Kelly takes a very decent Geand Valley St wins national championships goes to CMU and wins. Winters has taken Lake Erie (that is what Wayne was equivalent to when he got there) and has them playing in the national championship. Winters knows how to get it done, stop with this "so what it's D2" BS. Chip Kelly went from FCS to BCS, so did Tressel. Those schools and their supporters had the same problems. Winters is getting interest from 4 or 5 schools at our level, get over yourself.
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If WSU wins the whole thing you have to give it to Winters. His team just barely got in, and have found ways to beat superior programs. That is what we need as a coach.
Even without that though it will be hard not to say Winters hands down.
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What an awesome post. It's true of me and about 99.9 percent of posters on every forum everywhere. Bravo.
Wow...I'm in the Top 0.1%? Sweet.
#occupyCK?
Ewwww
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But Matt if UT screws you over, there is a very nice OC job available for you at the University of Akron.
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Yeah..ITZ had a great post there. But I do hope they are doing their due diligence in actually INTERVIEWING other candidates.
Even though it delays our hire another week...I hope Winters and Wayne State get that championship. For him, for the chance to SEE them in the game (and begin scouting him), for those players that believed and for what it will look like on the resume if he is the hire. Certainly might resonate with more of the skeptics (ZNO or NON-ZNO) to get the DII National Champ coach.
What I have noticed is that most names actually mentioned for interviews (not speculated by us) have had strong Akron ties.
Tressel - GA and alumnus
Moorhead - OC during our best time
Johnson - QB and alumnus
Winters - OC during our upswing, RB and alumnus
Campbell has area ties being from Massillon and attending Mount Union. But We know 3 of these five were interviewed and one offered the job.
I think Porter and Dambrot (along with Tressel) all pointed out the importance of being tied to the school. Look at the last hire that TW mad. Rembielek(sp?) has very strong ties to Akron. Porter is the exception to the rule, but he kind of fell in love with the place so he has quite a bit of loyalty now. Loyalty breeds passion and passion is what you need to succeed at anything.
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Why would Akron look at any of these kids.One of the best quaterbacks in the state was Kevin besser at St V and they did not show any interest in him.
Stick in there St. V fan I hear a St. V alum will be taking over the program shortly.
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Here is a good summary of how Wayne St was able to turn things around.
Thanks for that link. There are some positive points in there that could work in DI and are needed at UA, such as:
Winters built a base by "building it the right way." He tore down a wall of doom by changing the mind-set of players, their friends and people in the administration. Wayne was viewed as a losing program. Winters did not want people around who felt that way.
He convinced recruits that the school was a hidden gem and wanted players willing to redshirt and wait their turn.
The one glaring negative in the story was this:
Now he's a hot commodity and is rumored to be a finalist for the University of Akron job. Winters says he has no intention of leaving Wayne State for that job.
Now you might expect any coach to say they aren't interested in leaving a school while they're in the middle of chasing a national championship. But you never really know what personal reasons someone might have for not wanting to take an opportunity that everyone else thinks they'd jump at.
Anyway, the mystery should be solved within the next few weeks.
Regarding the "no intention of leaving".......
It is a pretty benign comment, and, as you point out, is pretty much what you'd expect of someone in the midst of a championship run with his current team.
Could also be that his agent has advised him to use those words to give him some leverage for negotiating salary during discussions with Akron.
Let's not forget he is competing for a National Championship and he is only a finalist for the job. If he says "can't wait to get home" that kind of ruins the morale of the players and if he gets passed over for Johnson or someone else he has less leverage with Wayne State for more money in his contract extension. Also it limits his ability to field offers from other schools like Toledo or Arkansas St.
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Any updates on Matt Campbell. Right now I'm more excited over him than anyone.
Toledo Blade said all reports are that Campbell is next in line to take over Toledo.
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I agree. Hire me a coach that will win now. I don't care what anybody says about our cupboard.Great, we've already laid excuses down for 3 years of crappy football again.There is no reason that if we had an "awful coach" the last two seasons that we shouldn't expect a "good hire" to win us 4-5 games coming in. And it should take a maximum of 3 seasons to start competing for bowl eligibility. If we have a 1-2 win season next year I am done with this program.
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We really need to understand that we are rock bottom right now. We didn't just fail to win a game against a FBS team last year, 90% of those games weren't even close. When you are giving up almost 70 points to Western Michigan when they are taking their foot off the pedal in the second quarter, you have a long way to go as a program.
I could actually handle another one win season next year, so long as we are at least COMPETITIVE in the games and look like we have any semblance of a strategy and knowing what the hell we are doing. We have to be realistic... that would be significant progress for next season. If the new guy comes in and does a GREAT job, his tenure will look something like this:
Year ONE- 1-2 wins, but COMPETITIVE in all MAC games
Year TWO- 3-5 wins
Year THREE- 5-7 wins, starting to look like a football team
Year FOUR- 6-9 wins, challenge for MAC supremacy
Year FIVE- 8-11 wins, MAC Title
Again, I think we are going to have to measure "progress" next year in terms other than wins, as this team didn't just lose 11 games, they didn't come close to not losing 11 games. This thing will take time to build, but a great head coach can have this thing competitive by Year 2 and challenging for titles by Year 4.
Great, we've already laid excuses down for 3 years of crappy football again.
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Footballscoop is now hedging themselves saying "to be clear, we aren't saying this is a done deal".
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A week from Monday
Counting on that National Championship ring?
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How would the federal government regulate individual state schools? State schools are a state matter and not a federal matter. Seems to be a lot of work for no reason.
Since the whole thing involves schools in every state, that means the whole process is part of interstate commerce. That is very much the jurisdiction of the Federal Government. Not to mention ESPN is teetering on Anti-trust issues when it is telling conferences what to do and manipulating conferences that are under current contract to grab teams to decrease the value of other conferences. If Goodyear had a supplier under contract and it told that supplier to by a section of its competitor so that it could get a better contract, and this resulted in a bad outcome for Bridgestone or it made the other supplier less appealing to Bridgestone, Anti-trust would all over that in a second.
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Akron: Sources continue to tell us to look for Paul Winters (head coach at Wayne State) to wind up at Akron. Winters' team is playing this weekend in the D-II semifinals.
Could be why the long drawn out process. Hope he is recruiting for Akron while prepping to win a National Championship.
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Tired of all these schools hiring around us while we sit on our hands. At least announce a short list or something.
I don't think the candidates with current jobs would appreciate being on an announced short list.
Either way we need to move faster as we are getting passed every day in the coaching carousel.
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Tired of all these schools hiring around us while we sit on our hands. At least announce a short list or something.
A Theory
in Akron Zips Football
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So I did some googling. Mike Stoops parts his hair from left to right (in a photo facing you, the part would would be on the right). In all the pre-announcement hoopla the athletic department has put out a picture of a helmet, stadium backdrop, and silhouette of a man (to be replaced with the picture of the new coach). This silhouette, has a very defined hair part, on the right side of his head. Exactly like.....Mike Stoops.
Cue conspiracy theory music.....