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LZ, I do go to the games. In fact it is harder for me than most Zip fans because I live in Columbus. I've also been to BG and Toledo for away games. Like all Zip fans on this board I want higher attendance and I do my part.

Better be ready to laugh a lot then. No way do we get 15K. At best 10K will show up. Attendance will be reported to be higher but actual fans in the stands will be below 10K.

If I were king I would give him two more years. Those two coupled with the one he has left should reduce recruits concern over how long he will be here. I said reduce and not eliminate because we rewinding despite the coaching, not because of it. We win now because the staff has been getting better at recruiting and it is starting to show in both performance and depth. Still we have huge problems with special teams, our OL is poor, Milwee is questionable and discipline is an issue. All that being said, if Williams gives TB three additional years I won't lose sleep over it. One game doesn't make a season, but I've got to hand it to TB, he won a big one last night. Congratulations and destroy Kent.

Thank you. incredible pics.

Sometimes things do not make sense but your emotions don't care. I went to our game with Toledo and later watched OU vs Toledo. I could not believe how much better OU was than Toledo, who I was in awe of. But they were. If both teams tonight play up to their potential, we get beat. I think Ohio has more quality than this board gives them. But you never know until the game is played so use those emotions to bring us a W.

Ohio is very strong this year and we aren't. I see little chance of us winning this game regardless of who our QB is. My whole feeling is that they are a better team. They have better talent and are better coached. i want us to win, but i don't see it happening. To me those of us who feel we are going to win are basing their prediction on emotion and not fact. Over time and over the course of a battle emotion rarely beats talent. Please prove me wrong Zips, altho I won't lose any sleep over this coaching staff being fired.

Skip, I rarely disagree with you, but I do now. Ohio State lost two starting QB's while winning a national championship. That's the level of team play that we should aspire to.

If our team can't find a way to win with the starting QB suspended then we don't have a team period. No one person makes a team a winner. There's no "moral police" here unless you feel the coaches are because they are the ones who suspended him. I said anyone who puts the team second doesn't deserve to be on the team. The coaches seem to agree. We are a losing program, see our past records. Saying we need one person to turn it around only points to a desperate situation and, yes, a bad culture. With a bad culture you will never play good football, which we haven't since last year's Marshall game.

I have a contrary opinion. I agree that the coaches feel Woody is our best QB. But Woody did something, although unstated, that probably put the best interests of the team as an afterthought. If that is the decision of a senior 3 year starter then to me he is no longer our best QB and Kato should get the nod from here on out. For once forget about what we need this week or the last few games and start making decisions that will elevate our culture and the performance of Akron football for years to come. Stop acting like we are desperate for a savior at QB. Send the message no man is above the team. Do that and the team will find a way to win. Next man up. Our team needs discipline and unfortunately Bowden does not demand it. It's time that changes, even if he is on the way out. We deserve better.

" Our best back went down they both are from the same town !! Sands and Kato in the backfield ??‍♂️? , our WR need to stop watching the show and get open it's that simple I'm not a daddy ball dude I speak the real I trained my son he's past first I made him that way his head stays up he reads the defense and takes what's given his mechanics are the best in #CFB hell even some #NFL QBs our OC needs to open his mind and playbook this kid can do #ANYTHING WITH THAT ?Defense or Offense he's a Winner #GodsGotHisFeet? !!! We will soon see I'm sending #Help (.) he needs some WRs that wanna go to the next level ??‍♂️ but as far as QB give him protection he'll pick the #1 NFL team apart the #MAC is super slow fresh off a knee surgery I say we win more than the #MAC next year we build A defense Get some more skills to compete we Got ourselves some #Ring this ? ain't new to my son it's called ? it don't change we do .... and we did #Win if he starts next week and has all the time to get that #Chemistry so we can catch some damn balls ??‍♂️ 2 drop TDs and a missed FG #Mistakes that can be fixed so to me we didn't get the #Victory but we definitely #Won because now the world knows who's on the #Bench ?" This is God-awful diarrhea of a delusional dad. Keep him away from his son, our team and the lockerroom. Parents screw up their kids more than any coach ever does. I am not a Bowden fan, but I hope Terry keeps this guy away from the team. We've got enough problems w/o helicopter parents making it worse.

Mods, it's about time you filtered this crap out. This is a Zip sports forum. The other crap needs to be handled via PM's. Help us out here. Your opinion regarding Zip sports is welcome. Do the venting of other opinions away from this medium. Too many egos are on display lately.

Took it too. It will be interesting to see the results. Thanks Zach.

Very good points. However we do it the OL must improve its run blocking to win more games. If these starting five can run block then our coaching has got to find a way to unleash their potential. So far we have under-performed to the point of being pathetic. If the linemen have any pride then the coaches have got to let them show what they can do. I believe they can do much. much better.

This game has me scared to death. I agree with many on this board that to win we have to run the ball effectively. To me, therein lies the problem. Our line just does not run block well. They are in the lower half of the MAC in getting running yardage when needed. I also do not have any confidence that Milwee can call the right plays that will keep Miami off balance knowing that we have to run it to win it. I don't think Miami is a better team when we are playing to our potential. I hope TB and staff have the boys prepared and focused. We will need it, especially if we have trouble passing and Miami can focus on our running game.

I like it. Let's keep an edge to this team. I think they will surprise the rest of the East and be playing well come tournament time. We probably deserve a #4 but we will be better than that once coach Groce gets his culture established.

Toledo Thoughts, mostly not concerning the playing of the game. Others have covered that and I agree with most of the reports. I had a great time at this game, except for the outcome of course. The people were friendly and very helpful in guiding my party around. The tailgating was fun and easy. Their campus is very nice and seemingly more spread out than ours. I loved the old stone architecture. The crowd actually grew during the game. At KO the stands were 40-50% full. By half they were 60-70% full. I saw more gear for the home side than I have seen for any MAC site the Zips have visited. The fans are truly proud of their team and school. Their band is good. Ours is better. I'd love to have Toledo as a rival. The only problem is you have to beat your rival every now and again to fuel the rivalry. We are so similar it is scary: We both are STEM oriented We both have higher aspirations We both are in urban settings Our cities and universities are about the same size Unfortunately, their tradition, talent level, recognition and success is much higher than ours Milwee called an OK game. He's not my favorite coach but he got no execution for what he called. He did his best. Amato had no answer to Toledo's talent and efficiency. Many times he was in the wrong alignment. He really got schooled by their OC. Toledo is too good a progrum to be committing so many penalties. They rank at the top of the MAC in penalties. The coaches should not tolerate that.

Zippy, A few Zips have to have great games for us to win. No one has offered this opinion but I feel our DB's have to be awesome. That especially applies Darian Dailey and Jordan George. Davis and Brown are ready to shut down their opponents.

I agree. There is a ceiling on how far we can go with Milwee. If TB wants him as his QB coach that is fine with me, but Milwee is not capable of being the OC we need. I would love to see Terry go back to calling the plays.

Was your fist in the air?

you are right. This isn't rocket science, just poor play calling.

Thanks Skip. As said before, I feel this is one area of coaching that can be improved. There are many on this board who saw the game and very much agree. Our team and university deserve better. But that's up to TB and his bosses. I hope he (our OC) over-achieves at Toledo.

Thanks to both K92 and Zipsoutsider. Beat Toledo. I'll be there.

Incredible job Timbers organization. First class!

Because I voiced an opinion that was against the competence of our OC in no way means I am not thrilled with our victory over a very respected conference opponent. To hint otherwise is just picking a fight. I'll assume that was not your intention. I still do not agree with your argument. Our OC shut down our offense in the second half and showed no creativity when the pass was not working. As for third and two, no team in the world with bad weather needs to throw. If we can't get two yards in two plays we have a bigger problem. Remember we were on their 34 and if the run failed we were not giving up poor field position. When the longer pass (15+ yards) is not working there are other ways to slow their pass rush i.e. screen, counters, trap counters, throwing to the TE, throwing to a back, student body right or left w/QB running, end around, etc. We primarily used the draw or slant. We can do better. If TB keeps his job and that means Milwee continues, so be it. Wilson and Miller will make the best decision they can and I will support them. There is much to like about this team and hope grows for a good future. I want that to continue. I just see a new OC as an area of improvement. If you and others feel otherwise, good for you. At the end of the day we all want the Zips to be outstanding.

Milwee is the single most powerful force in stopping the Zip offense. Unfortunately he is also our OC. His greatest contribution today was sharing his offensive genius with the WMU OC. The affects showed. Western's OC was horrible. I honestly think TB could improve this team and program most significantly by firing Milwee. That action would also save TB's job IMHO. Why on earth would you throw the ball when on the WMU 34 with third and 2, and you must sustain the drive and use up the clock? Woody throws a pick and Western goes in for a TD. Hell we were in two down territory to get 2 lost yards and a first down. With a first down we would have at least had the chance for a FG and maybe ice the game. I cannnot stand Milwee and feel he is not capable of being an OC. That tempers my enthusiasm for our prospects. I wish TB was not so loyal and a better judge of ability as measured by results. I need a beer!