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He's headed for the NFL as soon as his well-paid vacation is over. I predict as a coordinator in 2012.

I hear this question a lot. It doesn't make a difference or not if it goes on at even one other place. Tressel has a history of breaking the rules. He was caught and lied to his boss and caused his boss to be untruthful to his boss. The culture of corruption he created at tOSU is going to cost that school millions of dollars....including his buyout. I have a relative who is close to the tOSU program and very close to a couple of starters. We talked this morning. The car dealership is a HUGE problem and when that poop hits the fan, it is going to make tatgate look tame. This entire story is just getting going. I wish Dave in Green would report on this real story instead of the uninteresting Auburn/State of Alabama story. There are real dots to be connected in the tOSU story. It would be nice if someone broke it before SI comes out...

You guys all know I'm no big fan of tOSU fans. But does anybody on here really believe that this stuff doesn't go on ANYWHERE else??? And does anyone truly believe the people who asked him to resign (the AD and the Prez) really didn't know what was going on???

Thank you for your input Doug, I was hoping to get some real data on how the whole program is run. CSU dumping their baseball program made me think it might not be Pat's fault, that there were a lot of other things that go into a program's record besides the coach's ability. And it's not the (well deserved) football and soccer stadium projects that I look at with jealousy. The football stadium was needed, and from what I heard cost less than renovating the crumbling Rubber Blow. The soccer stadium I was behind 100% after going to games at the old one, the ones that weren't moved to the opponent's site because of drainage. And saw the demographics of the people who attend, sitting in frozen mud. But I do look with jealousy at the softball stadium, another non-revenue producing sport, and not exactly setting the softball world on fire like the soccer program is. And I think a large part of it is the "demographics" of the softball fans, to put it mildly. But who knows who might show up for baseball games if they didn't have to carry their own folding chair across campus, or sit in bleachers fit for junior high schoolers. Baseball also had to give up home field this year because of field conditions, something they probably didn't mind considering the home swamp. I see what you're saying about being on-campus, I catch quite a few games between or after classes. A "stadium" (and I use that term loosely) upgrade would be best. And IMHO scheduling a game or a double header during Springfest with some ads in the commons would help. Kind of late in the season, but can't hurt the program overall... I went to high school with Kenny Berenyi. Heck of a pitcher.

Cold weather programs are at a huge disadvantage when it comes to baseball. Can't being the one outlier. We'll never need to book a trip to Omaha in June. We're never going to need 10,000 seats and worry about competing with the Aeros for fans. I don't even know if they sell tickets to non-students down at Canal Park. But we should have a program that's competitive with other northern schools our size. Play .500 or better, and 2nd or 3rd in the MAC East. A new stadium or Canal Park would be good for recruiting, and give people a comfortable place to sit and watch a game. Something even half as nice as the softball stadium. That's all we need. With snow covering the ground over half of the season, we're not going to compete with the NC's and the Florida's. For players or for wins or fan bases. But having a team that has better than a 1 in 4 shot of winning against other northern schools our size is not too much to ask for.

Thank you. I hear the southern schools are pushing for an earlier start to the season, and possibly more games. Just killing the northern programs even further. Does Canal Park rape them on rent? Could they save money by not maintaining LJF in their budget? Just tossing out ideas. I know there will never be a payday for baseball (I wonder if any sport has those, listening to some). Sometimes I daydream about the Jake being built with a retractable roof instead of replacing the Richfield Mausoleum, which was one of the early plans for Gateway. And having weekend MAC play with all the teams there during March, six games a day. Or Detroit, heck I'd drive up there to see ball in March, stay for the weekend. Yeah I get caught up in "if only's" sometimes.

True, you think Cleveland State, you think of their wins in the tournament. Cant fans hang their hats on their run. I'll give them credit for scheduling better teams (and losing the Binghamtons) and for making the tourney again, and playing competitively in the first half. Now we need to make the next step and improve in those games. Then we can schedule into the NEXT tier of teams.

Before I get all mad at Coach Bangston and everyone else, I have a couple questions maybe someone knows the answer to. How many scholarships does the baseball program have to work with? How did the team draw at Canal Park? Any more than at the soccer stadium retention basin? Maybe like some other schools (NDC, CSU), it's time to just play at a minor league park. But that again winds back to the first question. How much money does the baseball team have to spend? If they only get a handful of scholies, and can't afford any better field than that, I really can't blame Coach B for not being able to recruit. I look at the softball stadium, and have met players from, say, Seattle on a full ride, and I don't see that commitment to baseball. But I don't know anybody on the inside who can answer my questions. If this is all baseball is ever going to be, I'll take it for what it is. A great way to soak up some sun between classes and watch some ball. And not get overly excited about the team's performance.

For the first time in 5 years, I don't think I'm gonna make a ballgame.

Scheduling doesn't drag down the conference RPI. Having a lousy Western Conference drags down your conference RPI. Did I hear right during the conference championship, that Toledo has three scholarship players??? That's not DI, and the MAC needs to jettison the dead weight. How bad is the West? Let's look past the RPI to the Sagarin Ratings... 82 Can't State = 78.49 24 12 73.30( 144) 0 1 | 0 1 | 80.11 71 | 76.71 98 117 Buffalo = 75.83 19 14 71.68( 187) 0 1 | 0 1 | 75.36 124 | 75.94 109 122 Akron = 75.43 22 13 71.75( 183) 0 1 | 0 2 | 76.13 115 | 74.40 128 146 Ohio University = 73.71 19 16 71.96( 178) 0 1 | 0 2 | 74.24 138 | 72.84 154 155 Ball State = 73.12 18 12 70.05( 246) 0 1 | 0 2 | 73.35 150 | 72.53 159 164 Miami-Ohio = 72.47 15 17 75.46( 88) 0 5 | 1 6 | 74.34 136 | 70.25 192 165 Western Michigan = 72.38 20 13 69.82( 253) 0 1 | 0 3 | 72.56 163 | 71.84 167 235 Bowling Green = 67.70 13 19 71.07( 209) 0 0 | 0 2 | 68.24 224 | 66.77 245 275 Central Michigan = 64.65 9 21 70.77( 218) 0 0 | 0 2 | 64.21 279 | 64.71 272 282 Northern Illinois = 64.22 8 21 70.76( 219) 0 0 | 0 3 | 63.02 297 | 64.94 267 302 Eastern Michigan = 62.76 6 22 70.47( 235) 0 0 | 0 1 | 60.75 317 | 64.05 280 333 Toledo = 57.53 3 28 71.99( 177) 0 2 | 0 4 | 56.50 335 | 58.07 328 Five schools that can't sniff the C-USA or Horizon League cellar. Five programs ranked >200th 17th ranked conference out of 33, behind such powerhouses as the Metro Atlantic, the Ivy League, and the West Coast. The problem is not the scheduling, the problem is the western division sucks and doesn't belong in DI.

They had graduates?

Maybe we're just too clean...

Now comes the news that they are investigating 50 car sales by a salesman in Cbus to tOSU players. Said salesman got passes to games. One registration shows the sale price of $0.00. Another story of TP taking a car on a "3 day test drive" to Pa to visit his parents. The shit hasn't even started to hit the fan yet...

You know, if we had the '05 team...

They're dropping like flies...

I brought this up a couple weeks ago. You know they're going to show up September 10 a half hour before the game and wonder why they can't get the scoreboard to work. The one at the Rubber Bowl is still intact. Aww hell don't give them any ideas.

Now that's funny.

Hell the baseball team couldn't even see fit to play during the Springfest this year. That was the highlight for me last year. Food, sports. Arcade. Watched softball until BGSU's lack of basic fundamentals made me throw up in my mouth. Then "people" watched until the baseball game. I bet 98% of the students don't even know what that retention basin behind the soccer stadium is for. All of the big time sports needs to be a part of this. If nothing else, football should have a booth where you throw footballs through holes in a tarp, staffed by players in jerseys. Hit three in a row and you get a stuffed Zippy. Hit four in a row, and get an ICoach voodoo doll. Basketball could have a foul shot game. Soccer. Visibility...

Let the Bucks go 5-7 a couple of years and see how many people fall off the band wagon.

He didn't saw WHICH draft. With a half dozen arena leagues and a bunch of semi-pro leagues, it might happen.

but we don't have to like it

I love it how peope on this forum rip on the Buckeyes at every opportunity they can. It's hard to find something positive to say about the Zips so they resort to ripping the Buckeyes. It' actually pretty sad. Screw the Buckeyes...i enjoy every moment they fail, almost as much as I enjoy when Can't fails (which happens a lot, yet never gets old ). What is wrong with that? Now i get the whole overdoing it on the Buckeyes thing (and please let's not start that again), but honestly, OF COURSE people are going to rip on another in-state team that might as well be considered a rival, that's what fan forums are for! I guess not all of us are sick and tired of having them shoved down our throats by sports fans who are compensating for their pro teams sucking sewer water by gang banging on a team 150 miles away. I understand it from OSU alum, by all means. But most of these people never sniffed a college classroom...

Excellent!!!

nice...

Yep, still on the fence on this one...