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They still have picture tube tvs in ther commons too. Lol

The Force averaged over 14,000 fans per game in 1986-87, an all time indoor soccer record, and also set records for single game regular season and playoff attendance of well over 18,000 fans, some SRO. The Caps and the City Stars broke attendance records for D3 soccer (third tier, AA in baseball). Columbus is a very different market than Cleveland/Akron/Canton and always will be. It is not a pro sports town, it is all about the Buckeyes. That is why they will never get any other pro teams there. Hopefully they can keep the Jackets. I did not miss the TV coverage of the baseball team, and that does not surprise me. TV news like newspapers are for old people. The typical younger person is not who they target because they know those people are using the internet for much better coverage and many more choices. Now if you want to watch house fires and corruption stories, the evening news is there for you.

You bolded the wrong part. That was 10 years ago, we're talking about now. We don't have a professional team to compare that to. Considering the records the D3 teams broke (before the league destroyed them) and the Force records tells me it is quite possible an MLS team could outdraw the Dolan Indians. The second place .500 Indians.

We had a thread about the growing popularity of soccer and how it is overtaking other sports. And I came across this interesting stat while debating something else on another forum. The MLS averages more fans per game 18541 than the Cleveland Indians 18,408. Looking further, Seattle 38607 outdraws 24 major league teams. It would rank 7th in a combined MLB/MLS summer pro sports attendance chart. I admit I was skeptical about the amount of growth in the thread, but I am changing my mind. A few more. MLS stadiums are 89% full, the Progressive Field is 42% full. Imagine if all MLS stadiums held at least 43,000... sources http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2012/6/4/30...nce-record-pace http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

Buffon and Balotelli are sick. Just one game left, bring on Spain!!!

Your conference still has too much bearing on your eligibility for the playoffs, making SOS unfair. Wisconsin could be stuck with a conference schedule of Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, and Illinois (teams that couldn't win the MAC) and run the table, only to be shut out by a one loss Big 12 or SEC school. Who's to say they would have lost to those teams that beat the B12/SEC qualifier? SOS is a bunch of crap, when schools have no control over 67% of their schedule.

Former Zip Drew Turocy is hitting .362 1 21 and 5 SB with a .848 OPS in his first year with Grenville of the South Atlantic League. He's a regular in RF.

If strength of schedule is a factor non-BCS schools are ALWAYS going to be left out. All you can hope for is to schedule four top BCS schools, and win out, and then you might be considered. Sad but true, a win over Indiana will always be worth more than a win over Toledo or Houston. No matter how bad Indiana sucks.

I see the committee putting three BCS conference teams from three different conferences plus one wildcard. At least I hope that's how it plays out.

He's already done what past coach(es) never did and is building relationships with high school coaches IN THIS AREA. High school coaches have said as much. He's already said he is going to recruit the area. He's from the SEC, yet he knows about the talent in Ohio before coming here and that was one of the reasons he took the job.

+1 Bron never said he was going to stay, never said it wasn't about the money, and then left for more $$$$$. You know, then same guy we sold out the stadium to see come back and almost built a statue for at Gateway...

Two first round draft picks and two second round draft picks. Would those be Tristan Thompson and Milan Macvan?

I'm over it, and I wish a lot of other people were too. Every city has lost free agents, nobody acts like Cleveland does. And we are a joke to the rest of the nation. Did anyone else hear Mike Tyson singing the other day? He had every right to leave, and he left. Maybe he did it the wrong way, but I have left some jobs the wrong way over the years. He was immature, and he was told over and over by the fans and media that he never had a college signing day, he never sat in front of the camera with 3 or 4 hats on the table, and picked one up and put it on. That he missed out. So he did that. And now those same people are still pissed two years later. It got to the point the "fans" were cheering for the NBA's Baltimore Ravens to beat the hometown guy. He's not the first player to join another "alpha dog's" team to get a ring, the best example I can think of this early in the morning is A-Rod. I don't hear Ranger's fans still thumping their chest over that one. And I get it he is the hometown guy, but why wasn't there so much hate when Scott Fletcher turned down the Indians? I'm a born and bred Cleveland fanatic, but I still don't get it. I'm not as much of a fan of his as I was, but I still hope he does well.

Way to go Italia, putting Ireland away 2-0. Now we wait to see who's next...

In the end, it doesn't matter we think or what bars are where now or in the future. What matters is the reasons the people in charge want it on campus. #1 to show off to prospective students and basketball recruits, and #2 to get alumni on campus so they see what's been done and what those in charge want to do. Because those prospective students and alumni are the $$lifeblood$$ of the university.

You're forgetting what else is in the area of E. Exchange. A MAJOR COLLEGE. An arena could jump start more bars and eateries coming BACK to the street, but the college is the real draw. I remember being a teen in the 80's and remember what the strip was like back then, with all the establishments and all the people. That is something the campus lacks now that other colleges boast (Can't State, Ohio).

You guys forgot newspapers. Nobody reads newspapers anymore, for some they prefer the intraweb, for others we just don't have the time to read ANYTHING in today's fast paced society...

That's Jim Tressel's job description. Remember what he said was his first priority when he took the position? And don't forget his boss Dr. Proenza is also a master of finding funding. Look at how many projects are going on or have been completed at the university that are not sports related. Just in the program I was in, we saw huge investment in education. This school is moving forward, despite the economy.

That argument doesn't make any sense at all. First, not all students live in those halls. Second, Each site that's been discussed is closer to those halls than the JAR. and third, NOBODY has come up with an argument that Coach T and Coach B say bringing alumni onto campus is a good thing. I don't buy the entertainment district argument, either. If I want a cold one and a bite after a game, I have absolutely NO INTEREST in going to a college bar. I go to a place close to home where people my age go, where everything is less expensive, where the music doesn't make my skull throb. There's no music at all, there are TV's showing sports. I can't help but wonder how many middle age alum would actually walk into those places.

I never advocated for that site. But since you asked, where do you go after basketball games now? Where do you go after soccer games? Does the location of the soccer stadium HURT it's attendance?

Yet (as I said in the previous reply) NONE of that stuff was there UNTIL they built Canal Park. None of that stuff surrounded the Central Market in Cleveland UNTIL they built Jacobs Field and Gund Arena. I could go on and on. If you put the arena on the edge of campus, across from strips that have available space and already some development, you can have the same thing on E. Exchange. Wanting to put it in the Canal Park district is near sightedness to what the campus could have in it's back yard. You don't need short busses to get from residence halls to bars and restaurants on E. Exchange. People driving by campus would no longer see abandoned buildings. About the Convo the Cleveland freaking Crunch sold out the place several times. 13,000 seats plus a couple thousand SRO tickets. If the Vikes can't sell there (and they can't) it's because it's an NBA town, CSU is looked at as a community college, a commuter school, lacking football (and now baseball), lacking a CAMPUS, lacking everything a major college has. I've been to CSU games, and I toured CSU before choosing AKron, it's just never going to happen. The main thing, to me, is I keep going back to what Tressel and Bowden have said. You want alumni to come back to campus so they see what's going on, and will contribute. Bottom line. Alumni returning to campus have a renewed pride in their school. Something I have experienced myself, and have heard others relate. I've yet to hear a soccer fan whine about the stadium because it's not next to a beer joint. All I hear is how they love the campus, how impressed they are, how they love the atmosphere. I just believe THAT is better for the university.

Who said they were going to build on the north part of campus? Where would there even be land available on the north part of campus, Central Hower?? You just used the perfect example in your argument. The stadium was built ON E.Exchange, right across from where the new development is taking place. It wasn't part of "campus" until the stadium was built there. Campus expansion. Doing the same with the arena, or using the land the ball diamond is on, is doing the same thing. And it would help development along E.Exchange. Someone is looking at B-Dubs and saying they don't like it and don't want the arena built next door. That's like looking at S.Main before Canal Park was built and saying that's an awful place to put a stadium. If the arena is being built across the street, those bars and restaurants will come. Just like they did in the Central Market/Gateway in Cleveland. Just like they did in the porn cinema district/Canal Park district, and hundreds of other places. No brainer. Put a winning team on the floor, market it right, and people will come. The Force got 18,000 people to drive through a blizzard to Richfield (in a secondary snow belt, in the middle of a forest) to watch indoor soccer. Don't tell me people won't find an arena 3000 ft. to the east of the S. Main site if there's something there they want to see...

Just an observation, and I could be wrong, but it seems the people who want it on campus are the people looking for what's best for the university, while the ones who want it downtown are worried about what they will do after the game.

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On campus. Just like Terry Bowden said in his recent interview, you want the alumni to come TO CAMPUS to see the buildings you want them to pay for. Not to mention bringing the general public TO CAMPUS shows/reminds them this is not a community college. That the university is BIG and a valuable resource. Students will go or won't go wherever you build it. The fund raisers want the alumni ON CAMPUS and many of the alumni want to go ON CAMPUS to the games.