Spin

I never advocated for that site. But since you asked, where do you go after basketball games now? Where do you go after soccer games? Does the location of the soccer stadium HURT it's attendance?

Yet (as I said in the previous reply) NONE of that stuff was there UNTIL they built Canal Park. None of that stuff surrounded the Central Market in Cleveland UNTIL they built Jacobs Field and Gund Arena. I could go on and on. If you put the arena on the edge of campus, across from strips that have available space and already some development, you can have the same thing on E. Exchange. Wanting to put it in the Canal Park district is near sightedness to what the campus could have in it's back yard. You don't need short busses to get from residence halls to bars and restaurants on E. Exchange. People driving by campus would no longer see abandoned buildings. About the Convo the Cleveland freaking Crunch sold out the place several times. 13,000 seats plus a couple thousand SRO tickets. If the Vikes can't sell there (and they can't) it's because it's an NBA town, CSU is looked at as a community college, a commuter school, lacking football (and now baseball), lacking a CAMPUS, lacking everything a major college has. I've been to CSU games, and I toured CSU before choosing AKron, it's just never going to happen. The main thing, to me, is I keep going back to what Tressel and Bowden have said. You want alumni to come back to campus so they see what's going on, and will contribute. Bottom line. Alumni returning to campus have a renewed pride in their school. Something I have experienced myself, and have heard others relate. I've yet to hear a soccer fan whine about the stadium because it's not next to a beer joint. All I hear is how they love the campus, how impressed they are, how they love the atmosphere. I just believe THAT is better for the university.

Who said they were going to build on the north part of campus? Where would there even be land available on the north part of campus, Central Hower?? You just used the perfect example in your argument. The stadium was built ON E.Exchange, right across from where the new development is taking place. It wasn't part of "campus" until the stadium was built there. Campus expansion. Doing the same with the arena, or using the land the ball diamond is on, is doing the same thing. And it would help development along E.Exchange. Someone is looking at B-Dubs and saying they don't like it and don't want the arena built next door. That's like looking at S.Main before Canal Park was built and saying that's an awful place to put a stadium. If the arena is being built across the street, those bars and restaurants will come. Just like they did in the Central Market/Gateway in Cleveland. Just like they did in the porn cinema district/Canal Park district, and hundreds of other places. No brainer. Put a winning team on the floor, market it right, and people will come. The Force got 18,000 people to drive through a blizzard to Richfield (in a secondary snow belt, in the middle of a forest) to watch indoor soccer. Don't tell me people won't find an arena 3000 ft. to the east of the S. Main site if there's something there they want to see...

Just an observation, and I could be wrong, but it seems the people who want it on campus are the people looking for what's best for the university, while the ones who want it downtown are worried about what they will do after the game.

Gone...

On campus. Just like Terry Bowden said in his recent interview, you want the alumni to come TO CAMPUS to see the buildings you want them to pay for. Not to mention bringing the general public TO CAMPUS shows/reminds them this is not a community college. That the university is BIG and a valuable resource. Students will go or won't go wherever you build it. The fund raisers want the alumni ON CAMPUS and many of the alumni want to go ON CAMPUS to the games.

A four team football championship. They could be forming up the FBS-lite subdivision we were talking about before.

Absolutely, it certainly shows what is possible with a lot of growth and recruiting. And we have a CWS program to measure ourselves against several times a year.

You'd think it would have been big news. It's not like I'm a full time student or anything (for two more days ) https://lakewood.uakron.edu/

Don't forget distance learning... And did I just see a billboard on the interstate the other day for University of Akron Lakewood???

The first thing I caught from the interview goes back to our discussion on the new arena. It has to be O N C A M P U S. "When you bring the alumni back for games, you want them to see the buildings you want them to pay for." They will want the same thing with the basketball arena. Right smack on campus. Not across Exchange. Not across Market. Not across from Polsky. On campus.

Maybe it would work for the USFL, afterall who would have thought Arena Football would last 25 years. The key IMO is to control salaries, and not go out and outpay the NFL. Maybe a league setup like the MLS where players are paid by the league, and caps are hard and completely controlled. And recruiting would actually be EASIER since you are not playing in the shadow of tOSU. You're on network TV. The NFL scouts would be watching. I don't see how you could wrap up your season before the NFL draft though. 8 MAC players were drafted last spring. 27 were signed as undrafted free agents. Temple had 10 players either drafted or signed, if we had a team of that quality that would change the whole face of the team at mid-season. Half of the starters, gone. The weekend after the draft, they were all in rookie minicamps. I'm not anti-spring football, I was actually a fan of the Boston/New Orleans/Portland Breakers. And was hoping Akron or Canton would get a team. It would be fun, once the weather broke very year. I just don't know about moving Zips football to a spring conference. I'm not satisfied with our current place in the food chain, and in all honesty if BowdenBall doesn't make us the next Boise/TCU I would just as soon go FCS. I just want to see how it would all play out. I don't want to see a schedule where we lose our better players in April when the season runs through May...

On every vending machine in Barberton Hospital

If you see signs on all of the vending machines that say "This machine does not take pennies", you must be in Barberton. No joke, I saw it today.

The AFL wasn't going up against a league that had most of the ten most-watched shows on TV every year. The NFL of the 60's was still behind baseball (and probably even basketball). The AFL also brought in a more exciting pass-friendly game to the sport. I just think that outdoor football is wayyyy too expensive to sustain itself as a minor league sport. Paying 40-50 players something above the poverty line, equip them, and transport them all over the country. No other minor league sport does any of that. And no other minor league is on a TV network (besides minor league NASCAR). If they keep their head, stay regional (already shot to hell), they might make it. I just don't see how. I have been burned by a dozen football leagues, a couple basketball leagues, outdoor and indoor soccer leagues, I want to see it work before I invest any interest in it.

I remember there were rumors of Akron getting a franchise in the original USFL, and then when the CFL expanded into the US, we were suppose to get a team called the Canton Bulldogs, who would play at the Rubber Blow. Now I'm glad they both fell through. Minor league football, or alternate league football just doesn't work.

It did? When? When San Antonio had their uniforms repossessed? When Arizona and Oklahoma merged? When Arizona and Chicago traded franchises? When the Breakers moved? Twice? When several teams missed payroll and one stranded its players after the last game of the season, to find their own way home? When Philadelphia won the championship and then moved? If that's "doing just fine", the XFL must have been a raging success.

Makes you wonder if Bowden knew about this possibility before he decided to sign on. And Dambrot knew about this before he turned doen Duq...

Nah we'd rather talk about playing football in the spring.

This is a tough decision. The medical professional side of me says that something needs to be done. We've seen so much evidence of head injuries in all sports, not just football. The firefighter side of me says that an adult who chooses to take part in something dangerous, should already know the risks. Whether it's skydiving, or scuba diving, or getting in a plane or boat, or on a motorcycle, or getting on a back road in a fast car and laying the wood to it. As a veteran firefighter I sometimes ask myself if going into an unoccupied burning structure (especially one that has long been abandoned) is bravery or thrill seeking. I think everybody would have an answer that is somewhere in between. And now, since we know the effects of concussions and cumulative head injuries, does the modern player have any legal recourse against the league and equipment manufacturers? If you know the risk is there and you still suit up and play, isn't that implied consent? Sometimes I question whether I want to even watch football anymore. But that is ignorant to the number of head injuries (especially concussions) in other sports like hockey and soccer. Thinking back to post-crash interviews of race car drivers, are they suffering concussions? What about baseball? Boxing has not been brought up, and the whole idea of boxing is to CAUSE a concussion. We can pretend it's to throw more punches and get more points, but come on. They really want to lay down a knock-out. Not an easy decision for sure.

This is not going away anytime soon. it's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.

Dang, so that means Boise State will be playing east coast teams for no reason now.

I went the first year when they had baseball and softball games going on. That was it though. I'm too old for all the other stuff.

I thought they were better prepared than Icoach's teams (with numerous penalties for lining up wrong and illegal procedure). There was a lack of chemistry with the passing game, especially when Clayton was in the game. He overthrew some passes, and others were on the money but were dropped. He showed willingnss to run, and has some wheels. A nice plus in the spread. Dalton Williams looked better, but was against the second D most of the game. The defense made several big plays, interceptions (including a pick6), numerous sacks, and a safety. Special teams were good (97 yard TD return), bad (several missed FG's), and ugly (a few kicks that never gained altitude). The way the white team ran up the score, I would guess defensive depth is a problem. But I'm encouraged. I think we should at least triple our win total over last year.

The first team D came up with several pics, a couple were called back because the QB was touched. They were also defending the spread with all their backups on the other side of the field. I'm thinking they're ahead of the O at this point.