I think they both fall into the description Groce gave of Dawson in the post-game last week as an example to younger kids of how you can earn minutes in ways other than scoring. I think they're more relied on to be productive through things like defense, rebounds and getting on the floor for loose balls than they'll ever be relied on for scoring and when they can contribute with offense like they have recently it will be a real bonus. If I had to pick two guys to accompany me into a fight from that squad, those would be those two gritty guys.