QB Position

[RACER]

the one postion that his team really scares me,and im sure alott of other people is the qb spot.i don'tunderstand why the only player we signed was one high school qb.jd did go get some jc players/transfersat the dl/ra/wr spots which i give him credit for.i just can't believe there was no player out there for the qb spot.i am not saying the jc route is best all the time,but this team needed a qb.hopefully the two guys we have will do the jobbut it's scary going into whisky from what i saw last year at the qb spot.

[72 Roo]

Dude, the QB situation is scary, but you've got to help us out by discovering the SHIFT key for capitals, the space bar and an occassional comma. They are not in short supply and it's OK to use them liberally. You sure you didn't go to K.E.N.T.? The one thing we all know on this board is that So come on pal, help us in reading your posts. I'll even buy you a Great Lakes Elliot Ness Ale, my favorite

[Z.I.P.]

Dude, the QB situation is scary, but you've got to help us out by discovering the SHIFT key for capitals, the space bar and an occassional comma. They are not in short supply and it's OK to use them liberally. You sure you didn't go to K.E.N.T.? The one thing we all know on this board is that So come on pal, help us in reading your posts. I'll even buy you a Great Lakes Elliot Ness Ale, my favorite

hey dude! gordon biersch called. they want their endorsement $$ back. either that or bring a couple cases of that elliot ness ale to the mai tai bar nex'time you're in town. cheers zipinparadiseoh, btw -- even in the isles

[72 Roo]

It's not lost on me that you have joined this conspiracy to drive me nuts. It seems you, too, Z.I.P. have lost your caps. No Gordon Biersch for you. And you can damn well bet that the next time I'm in the isles I will not be buying!

[Dr Z]

Quarterbacks pass muster at scrimmageCan we find a "scheme" to fit our QBEverything hinges on the QBOffensive coaching as important as QB this yearSame QB concerns in 2005 seem to work outCould Matt help us out at some point and time this season? Stay tuned Zip fans...

[GP1]

Could Matt help us out at some point and time this season? Stay tuned Zip fans...

JD needs to pick a starter that gives us the best chance to win in 2008. "Building for the future" is not an option....the future is now because there is enough talent on this team to win at least 6 games. The problem with changing QBs is....What happens if you replace your #1 QB and the #2 doesn't do anything? If the #2 does not work out instantly, the season is over. I can't think of a single team that has replaced their starting QB because of performance issues, had the #2 fail and then put #1 back in and had success. People like to overuse the phrase, "The coach has lost the team." (whatever the Hell that is supposed to mean). As far as I am concerned, the only time a team is lost is when they do not think they can win. Failing to succeed with a starter and then failing with the #2 and then trying to go back to the #1 that has already failed is one sure way to convince a team they can not win. Here is the question I would like answered and there is no way to find out the answer because it is a very personal question. When CJ11 and Rogers are alone in their rooms at night thinking about the season, do they in their heart of hearts believe they can win or is there heavy doubt? Actually, I think UoA has everything it needs to win with the exception of a winning attitude because of decades of losing. Players are easy to change; decades of losing and the stench that comes along with that is very difficult to change.

[Zipgrad01]

Dude, the QB situation is scary, but you've got to help us out by discovering the SHIFT key for capitals, the space bar and an occassional comma. They are not in short supply and it's OK to use them liberally. You sure you didn't go to K.E.N.T.? The one thing we all know on this board is that So come on pal, help us in reading your posts. I'll even buy you a Great Lakes Elliot Ness Ale, my favorite

Since Great Lakes is my favorite brewery in the world I have to make a slight correction. Elliot Ness is actually a Vienna Style Lager, not an ale. You are talking two different animals there. However, kudos to you for having fantastic taste.

[zen]

I trust the coaching staff to evaluate the talent and best fit for the QB position on this team.I'm not sure if I understand why fans say the things that they do sometimes.They either think that the coach is dumb, or they actually believe that he has some other priority other than winning.

[ZachTheZip]

Back to the topic at hand...Does anybody else worry that we are suffering with Browns Fan Syndrome^© here, regarding who we want to start? The backup is always thought to be better than the starter when suffering from this illness.Here's the problem: This is Matt's last chance to earn a starting spot for the next two years. If we stick with Jacq, he will be a senior next year and will have a firm grasp on the position for next year. If Matt becomes the starter early this season, Jacq might transfer out so that he can finish his career as a starter somewhere in D-IAA country.The first two games will tell us what the real situation is. I hope that Jacq has made great strides like JD says, but I also hope that Matt is pushing him the whole time. We should rely heavily on the run game to start the season, since out WR corps is a bit of an unknown, but it might also mask any QB problems that could manifest later during MAC play and that would ruin the season. I think the whole thing is a huge gamble, with no clear outcome either way. Never have I seen so much riding on the performance of one player. The play of the QB will make the difference between a 2-10 season and a bowl game. It's frightening.

[Zipgrad01]

Back to the topic at hand...Does anybody else worry that we are suffering with Browns Fan Syndrome^© here, regarding who we want to start? The backup is always thought to be better than the starter when suffering from this illness.Here's the problem: This is Matt's last chance to earn a starting spot for the next two years. If we stick with Jacq, he will be a senior next year and will have a firm grasp on the position for next year. If Matt becomes the starter early this season, Jacq might transfer out so that he can finish his career as a starter somewhere in D-IAA country.The first two games will tell us what the real situation is. I hope that Jacq has made great strides like JD says, but I also hope that Matt is pushing him the whole time. We should rely heavily on the run game to start the season, since out WR corps is a bit of an unknown, but it might also mask any QB problems that could manifest later during MAC play and that would ruin the season. I think the whole thing is a huge gamble, with no clear outcome either way. Never have I seen so much riding on the performance of one player. The play of the QB will make the difference between a 2-10 season and a bowl game. It's frightening.

Anyone that watched the games last year can see why we would have Browns Fan quarterback syndrome. The qb play was better at the local high school team I watch. If I were coach of the Zips I may go as far as switching qb's every quarter the 1st game or 2 to see who is more productive and in control of the offense then just go with the hot hand. If Rodgers is even with CJ, then go with the younger guy and see if he develops.

[Lee Adams]

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[GJGood]

I am actually more worried about our DBs and their inexperience more than our QBs. The quarterbacks will at least have a bunch of talent in the backfield with them and hopefully the Zips will have a nice rushing attack this season. That always makes QBs better in the passing game. DBs, on the other hand, can often find themselves all alone and isolated against a major playmaker for the opposing team.QB is a spot to be worried about. DB is downright frightening.

[GoZips88]

I'm in the group worried about the QB position ... 3-and-outs (or worse) suck and that puts a lot of pressure on the defense to hold serve over and over again. That becomes a big problem later in the game when the guys on the defensive side of the ball have been on the field so long. Watching our QB play and offense in general last year was excruciating at times. Here's hoping our WRs and RBs do their part to buy time so our QBs can continue to develop. Same goes for our defensive linemen ... pressure on the opposing QB and doing what they can to blow up plays and contain the running game should take some of the pressure off of the DBs. I sure hope the injuries we've seen in camp, ESPECIALLY on the defensive side of the ball, are the type that truly heal and don't linger all season long or force someone like Bain out entirely.I'm looking forward to the day we can all be truly excited and raring to go heading into the football season. Until then, we strap in, tighten everything down, hope like hell, and see where this thing goes. go zips ... er, I mean ... GO ZIPS!!!!!!!

[Hilltopper]

Kade Wagner, #3 on the depth chart last week, has transferred out to Walsh.

[GP1]

Kade Wagner, #3 on the depth chart last week, has transferred out to Walsh.

If Kade is the same as Brian and if this is true, I'll say this. When the reality of a year on scout team hits a kid in the face, it shows how bad they really want to be on the team. I thought this was exactly the type of "character kid" who was supposed to save the program. "Character kid" = Walsh College...... Walsh College talent in the MAC = losing. No thanks! We can find more scout team kids next year.

[Blue & Gold]

I'm in the group worried about the QB position ... 3-and-outs (or worse) suck and that puts a lot of pressure on the defense to hold serve over and over again. That becomes a big problem later in the game when the guys on the defensive side of the ball have been on the field so long.

Yep. I think that was the major problem w/ our D last season. 3-and-outs for the O are both physically draining and psychologically demoralizing for a D.

[zips4ever2008]

The QB position is going to be very interesting this year. Unlike last year with the two QB system, maybe we'll just stick with one this year. I sure hope we do more hurry-up/no huddle offense instead of looking to the sideline for the play. Can we also not be predictable with our playcalling?! Even I could figure out what we were doing on offense. Hopefully the offense has some trick plays up their sleeves to keep the defense guessing. I don't expect a whole lot at Wisconsin, but when we get into MAC play-open the playbook.We sure got spoiled when Charlie Frye was here. Even Luke Getsy looks good at QB right now. At least we have kickers and won't have to borrow any soccer players. Let's hope.

[johnnyzip84]

I thought about the QB situation a lot over the weekend, in context with some of the things JD has been saying in camp. JD has complained about injuries and some have suggested that he's already making excuses/setting the team up for failure etc. In contrast to this, the one thing JD has been pretty consistent about is his attitude about the QB position, specifically that it is much improved over last year. I know that's hard for a lot of us to swallow, given that we've seen Jacq have some pretty poor outings and it looks like he will remain the starter. I am wondering, are we (including myself) forgetting that these players are ALL still developing and is a dramatic improvement really out of the question? If the O-LINE is as improved as many suspect, won't that make ANY QB that much better? Also, it's not like Jacq didn't have his moments of success last year (WMU stats below).Akron Passing C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT C. Jacquemain 23/41 389 9.5 4 1 I realize that Jabari had a lot to do with Jacq's success that game, but I think this years WR corps will have significantly more balance and be a better overall threat even without him. I guess what I am saying is that I'm ready to give Jacq a shot this year before handing the reigns over to Rodgers. Give him 3-4 games anyway before drawing any conclusions.

[Dr Z]

I guess what I am saying is that I'm ready to give Jacq a shot this year before handing the reigns over to Rodgers. Give him 3-4 games anyway before drawing any conclusions.

IMO Coaching staff should have enough information to know which direction to head on September 7th.

[ziptrumpet87]

I guess what I am saying is that I'm ready to give Jacq a shot this year before handing the reigns over to Rodgers. Give him 3-4 games anyway before drawing any conclusions.

IMO Coaching staff should have enough information to know which direction to head on September 7th.

northwest?

[Zipsrifle]

I sure hope there is some improvement if we are going to be running the same plays as last year. 1st - 10....run. 2nd - 8.....run 3rd - 7.......run 4th......punt. We don't have this option: 1st - 10....run. 2nd - 8.....run. 3rd - 13....pass to Jabari. We had quite a few years of good QB's Butchie, Chuck, even Luke was pretty good. Now....UH.

[ZippyAlum]

What games did you watch? I think it was more like pass, incomplete, pass, incomplete, pass, almost intercepted, punt. Oh, maybe a sack in there somewhere.

[Buckzip]

What games did you watch? I think it was more like pass, incomplete, pass, incomplete, pass, almost intercepted, punt. Oh, maybe a sack in there somewhere.

1 of every 3 times that last one can be changed to intercepted, instead of almost.