New Coach New Rules

[zff]

There was a 5:25am workout yesterday for the football team. It seems that some of the players a not going to class or not going to meeting with their academic advisors.It is about time we have a coach that makes these guys responsible for their actions. I bet the offenders might get an a$$ whipping the next time they screw up.

[ZachTheZip]

Word is that Ianello is demanding way more discipline than Brookhart ever did. I'm surprised that nobody has transferred out because they can't handle it.

[vmd9]

Word is that Ianello is demanding way more discipline than Brookhart ever did. I'm surprised that nobody has transferred out because they can't handle it.

I know football players actually having to go to class?!?!? even I can't handle that thought

[InTheZone]

This happens every time a new coach comes in. It's called the "weeding out" process. Coaches act like it's all to reeshtablish discipline and we're doing things in a new way from that horrible last regime and blah blah blah... but what it really is is an effort to drive players away who don't really want to be there and free up more schollies for the new staff. Talk to any guy who was there during the Owens-Brookhart transition, Brookhart did and said the EXACT same things Ianello is doing and saying now. I would imagine it was the same way during the Faust-Owens transition. There were 5 AM team runs multiple times a week in Brookhart's first preseason. Once Ianello gets a team full of his own guys the "discipline" will relax.

[Let'sGoZips94]

From reading Sewell's and Nicely's Facebook statuses, I think there's more than 1, 5 AM practice a week.

[GP1]

I would imagine it was the same way during the Faust-Owens transition.

It was similar, but Faust had an additional problem. Faust had a problem with the number of scholarships he had to offer and the number of partial scholarships being used. Keep in mind Faust took over a I-AA team with I-AA talent. I wasn't quite in school yet, but I believe Dennison had 65 scholarship players and not all of them were full scholarships.The first step Faust took was to dare to have an honest discussion with each player from the Dennison era and tell most of them they were not D-I talent and they would never see the field. A lot of these players were on partials and weren't D-I talent. This pissed off a lot of players and caused it's own problem, but Faust did the right thing. Combining enough partials freed up enough money to start to offer more full scholarships. If anyone can remember, I would like to know the answer to this. When did UofA finally have enough money to field the NCAA limit of scholarship players? If my memory is correct, it was about half way through the Owens era. Reason 287 why this program has done little in the last 20 years.

[Hilltopper]

I think that Peggy Elliot would have gladly taken UA athletics back to D2 if she could have.

[Captain Kangaroo]

I would imagine it was the same way during the Faust-Owens transition.

It was similar, but Faust had an additional problem. Faust had a problem with the number of scholarships he had to offer and the number of partial scholarships being used. Keep in mind Faust took over a I-AA team with I-AA talent. I wasn't quite in school yet, but I believe Dennison had 65 scholarship players and not all of them were full scholarships.The first step Faust took was to dare to have an honest discussion with each player from the Dennison era and tell most of them they were not D-I talent and they would never see the field. A lot of these players were on partials and weren't D-I talent. This pissed off a lot of players and caused it's own problem, but Faust did the right thing. Combining enough partials freed up enough money to start to offer more full scholarships. If anyone can remember, I would like to know the answer to this. When did UofA finally have enough money to field the NCAA limit of scholarship players? If my memory is correct, it was about half way through the Owens era. Reason 287 why this program has done little in the last 20 years.

You are correct. The NCAA didn't let the Zips automatically jump from 65 scholarships to 85. We could only offer 25 scholarships per year, working our way up to 85. If 8 kids quit the team...to bad...you got your 25 per season, maximum. It took us forever to get up to 85. It might not have happened until the Owens-era.Nothing like playing against schools like Auburn and Florida with 70 only scholarship players.

[skip-zip]

I would imagine it was the same way during the Faust-Owens transition.

It was similar, but Faust had an additional problem. Faust had a problem with the number of scholarships he had to offer and the number of partial scholarships being used. Keep in mind Faust took over a I-AA team with I-AA talent. I wasn't quite in school yet, but I believe Dennison had 65 scholarship players and not all of them were full scholarships.The first step Faust took was to dare to have an honest discussion with each player from the Dennison era and tell most of them they were not D-I talent and they would never see the field. A lot of these players were on partials and weren't D-I talent. This pissed off a lot of players and caused it's own problem, but Faust did the right thing. Combining enough partials freed up enough money to start to offer more full scholarships. If anyone can remember, I would like to know the answer to this. When did UofA finally have enough money to field the NCAA limit of scholarship players? If my memory is correct, it was about half way through the Owens era. Reason 287 why this program has done little in the last 20 years.

You are correct. The NCAA didn't let the Zips automatically jump from 65 scholarships to 85. We could only offer 25 scholarships per year, working our way up to 85. If 8 kids quit the team...to bad...you got your 25 per season, maximum. It took us forever to get up to 85. It might not have happened until the Owens-era.Nothing like playing against schools like Auburn and Florida with 70 only scholarship players.

Depth was certainly an issue for the Faust era teams. I think the number was 95 back then, and only recently got peeled back to 85 players. And it did take quite a few years. But, I think you are right about the limitation of 25 scholarships per year. But, after you subtract what we lost each year, the net gains were very small some years.

[Captain Kangaroo]

I think the number was 95 back then, and only recently got peeled back to 85 players.

1992 was the first year the 85 scholarship limit was in place. Prior to that, it was 95.

[GP1]

I would imagine it was the same way during the Faust-Owens transition.

It was similar, but Faust had an additional problem. Faust had a problem with the number of scholarships he had to offer and the number of partial scholarships being used. Keep in mind Faust took over a I-AA team with I-AA talent. I wasn't quite in school yet, but I believe Dennison had 65 scholarship players and not all of them were full scholarships.The first step Faust took was to dare to have an honest discussion with each player from the Dennison era and tell most of them they were not D-I talent and they would never see the field. A lot of these players were on partials and weren't D-I talent. This pissed off a lot of players and caused it's own problem, but Faust did the right thing. Combining enough partials freed up enough money to start to offer more full scholarships. If anyone can remember, I would like to know the answer to this. When did UofA finally have enough money to field the NCAA limit of scholarship players? If my memory is correct, it was about half way through the Owens era. Reason 287 why this program has done little in the last 20 years.

You are correct. The NCAA didn't let the Zips automatically jump from 65 scholarships to 85. We could only offer 25 scholarships per year, working our way up to 85. If 8 kids quit the team...to bad...you got your 25 per season, maximum. It took us forever to get up to 85. It might not have happened until the Owens-era.Nothing like playing against schools like Auburn and Florida with 70 only scholarship players.

But when did we finally have 85 endowed scholarships? I know we could have offered them, but I think it took some time before we could actually pay for that many so we in fact did not have 85 scholarship players on the team.

[Z.I.P.]

I would imagine it was the same way during the Faust-Owens transition.

It was similar, but Faust had an additional problem. Faust had a problem with the number of scholarships he had to offer and the number of partial scholarships being used. Keep in mind Faust took over a I-AA team with I-AA talent. I wasn't quite in school yet, but I believe Dennison had 65 scholarship players and not all of them were full scholarships.The first step Faust took was to dare to have an honest discussion with each player from the Dennison era and tell most of them they were not D-I talent and they would never see the field. A lot of these players were on partials and weren't D-I talent. This pissed off a lot of players and caused it's own problem, but Faust did the right thing. Combining enough partials freed up enough money to start to offer more full scholarships. If anyone can remember, I would like to know the answer to this. When did UofA finally have enough money to field the NCAA limit of scholarship players? If my memory is correct, it was about half way through the Owens era. Reason 287 why this program has done little in the last 20 years.

You are correct. The NCAA didn't let the Zips automatically jump from 65 scholarships to 85. We could only offer 25 scholarships per year, working our way up to 85. If 8 kids quit the team...to bad...you got your 25 per season, maximum. It took us forever to get up to 85. It might not have happened until the Owens-era.Nothing like playing against schools like Auburn and Florida with 70 only scholarship players.

But when did we finally have 85 endowed scholarships? I know we could have offered them, but I think it took some time before we could actually pay for that many so we in fact did not have 85 scholarship players on the team.

Several years ago -- maybe around 2003/2004 era, someone (I think it was the Michiganlive website -- is that the FreePress?), published the actual number of Am. football scholarships provided by MAC schools. Remember, this was a period when the league was more successful than more recently -- the BigBen era. Only one or two schools came close to providing the full number available under NCAA max's, and I recall that EMU then was only giving between 45-50 total, several were around 60-65. I would guess than Akron was in the mid-upper 60s, maybe 70ish. These numbers -- or the lack of NCAA maximums isn't primarily due to players dropping out (although that accounts for a secondary loss), but rather to budgetary restrictions. Based on that I would be surprised if MAC schools are today very close to the 85 scholarships limit. Someone do some research -- Mike Razor, where are you?

[ZachTheZip]

This happens every time a new coach comes in. It's called the "weeding out" process. Coaches act like it's all to reeshtablish discipline and we're doing things in a new way from that horrible last regime and blah blah blah... but what it really is is an effort to drive players away who don't really want to be there and free up more schollies for the new staff. Talk to any guy who was there during the Owens-Brookhart transition, Brookhart did and said the EXACT same things Ianello is doing and saying now. I would imagine it was the same way during the Faust-Owens transition. There were 5 AM team runs multiple times a week in Brookhart's first preseason. Once Ianello gets a team full of his own guys the "discipline" will relax.

Maybe if they didn't ease up on the discipline after a couple years they would have been more successful. If they have a month-long "hell week" this year but it only lasts 7 days a few years from now you'll see the same downward trend that we saw with Brookhart. They'll start off looking better under the new coach but with the previous coach's players but once the new coach has a team full of "his" players he eases up and we start losing again.I hope Ianello learns from the mistakes that his predecessors made.

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

It's practically professional misconduct and malfeasance for a university President, administrators and head coach to send kids onto the field without every benefit they can get their hands on. Sending 65 or 70 scholarship kids onto the field is basically telling every one of those same kids that you don't care enough about their welfare (not to mention winning) to have recruited and trained those other 15 or 20 talented players they need to bolster the teams' chances. "Hey sorry kid. Maybe you wouldn't have been injured had I recruited and trained a better player to block the opponent who just destroyed your knees with that open lane shot." Unbelievable.

[#1 rowdy]

5 a.m. conditioning is a norm among all College football programs before Spring Football starts. But to have people come in on a Saturday is tough business. I bet those guys think twice about not going to class next time.

[skip-zip]

I think the number was 95 back then, and only recently got peeled back to 85 players.

1992 was the first year the 85 scholarship limit was in place. Prior to that, it was 95.

Which means that we spent about 5-6 years playing D1-A football against teams with 95 players. I think Mr. Faust deserves a little more respect than he gets from some people in this area.

[GP1]

I would imagine it was the same way during the Faust-Owens transition.

It was similar, but Faust had an additional problem. Faust had a problem with the number of scholarships he had to offer and the number of partial scholarships being used. Keep in mind Faust took over a I-AA team with I-AA talent. I wasn't quite in school yet, but I believe Dennison had 65 scholarship players and not all of them were full scholarships.The first step Faust took was to dare to have an honest discussion with each player from the Dennison era and tell most of them they were not D-I talent and they would never see the field. A lot of these players were on partials and weren't D-I talent. This pissed off a lot of players and caused it's own problem, but Faust did the right thing. Combining enough partials freed up enough money to start to offer more full scholarships. If anyone can remember, I would like to know the answer to this. When did UofA finally have enough money to field the NCAA limit of scholarship players? If my memory is correct, it was about half way through the Owens era. Reason 287 why this program has done little in the last 20 years.

You are correct. The NCAA didn't let the Zips automatically jump from 65 scholarships to 85. We could only offer 25 scholarships per year, working our way up to 85. If 8 kids quit the team...to bad...you got your 25 per season, maximum. It took us forever to get up to 85. It might not have happened until the Owens-era.Nothing like playing against schools like Auburn and Florida with 70 only scholarship players.

But when did we finally have 85 endowed scholarships? I know we could have offered them, but I think it took some time before we could actually pay for that many so we in fact did not have 85 scholarship players on the team.

Several years ago -- maybe around 2003/2004 era, someone (I think it was the Michiganlive website -- is that the FreePress?), published the actual number of Am. football scholarships provided by MAC schools. Remember, this was a period when the league was more successful than more recently -- the BigBen era. Only one or two schools came close to providing the full number available under NCAA max's, and I recall that EMU then was only giving between 45-50 total, several were around 60-65. I would guess than Akron was in the mid-upper 60s, maybe 70ish. These numbers -- or the lack of NCAA maximums isn't primarily due to players dropping out (although that accounts for a secondary loss), but rather to budgetary restrictions. Based on that I would be surprised if MAC schools are today very close to the 85 scholarships limit. Someone do some research -- Mike Razor, where are you?

My understanding is UofA now has 85 endowed scholarships. Could be wrong though.Everyone complains we did not have the facilities to win....Hell, we didn't have the people to win.

[g-mann17]

Everyone complains we did not have the facilities to win....Hell, we didn't have the people to win.

Right from the horse's mouth.