stubborn coach

[akron football]

It's time to give PN7 his chance at turning this thing around, Moore has shown that he can't get the job done.

[Doug Snyder]

It's time to give PN7 his chance at turning this thing around, Moore has shown that he can't get the job done.

I really think Patrick Nicely is a good guy. QB is a little different than any other position...only one guy gets to play. Responding in a negative manner to you probably would only do more harm as it appears you are related to him in some way. Let him know he has supporters other than family and we wish him the best. A bit of advice...he should transfer out to a D1A program next year where he can play. It may not be in the best interest of the Zips...but will be in his. IMO

[GP1]

A bit of advice...he should transfer out to a D1A program next year where he can play. It may not be in the best interest of the Zips...but will be in his. IMO

He should stick it out at Akron, get a degree and support his school in his professional career. He will have nothing to be ashamed of. I don't understand guys who transfer (unless they are forced to do so) for one year.

[akronzips71]

LR8 is bringing in a dimension that Nicely never had. He can run with the ball and get first downs and touchdowns.

If he ever plays for a real coach he might be pretty good.

[InTheZone]

I would love to see Moore running a spread offense. Only one way to make that happen *cough cough*

[RootforRoo44]

LR8 is bringing in a dimension that Nicely never had. He can run with the ball and get first downs and touchdowns.

If he ever plays for a real coach he might be pretty good.

I agree, and I'm as big of a PN fan as anyone but Moore is a playmaker and that's something we desperately need. If only our coach would figure out how to use him better.

[mes102]

*cough* BROOKHART *cough*

sorry everyone...feeling a little under the weather the past 18 months...must be getting worse...

[GP1]

I would love to see Moore running a spread offense.

So would I. I watched Wake beat FSU yesterday using a spread offense with a good mix of run and pass. It's how teams with lesser talent win.

[Zipmeister]

You want icoach to match his scheme to our talent? Someone should duct tape his eyes open and tie him to a chair in front of a screen showing "We are Marshall" for about 72 straight hours.

[zipinnc]

I would love to see Moore running a spread offense. Only one way to make that happen *cough cough*

I think I'm coming down with something. There is only one prescription for the illness. (Hint: It's not an Ianellobiotic.)

[Captain Kangaroo]

LR8 is bringing in a dimension that Nicely never had. He can run with the ball and get first downs and touchdowns.

If he ever plays for a real coach he might be pretty good.

I agree, and I'm as big of a PN fan as anyone but Moore is a playmaker and that's something we desperately need.

Playmaker? What games are you guys watching? What plays is LR8 making?

So he gets a couple 1st downs on broken play scrambles...he is doing a lousy job as a QB. He had 11 completions on Saturday?! ELEVEN!? He's completing 48% of his passes on the season. He had a chance to win at EMU last week and disappeared. Because of a bungling, inept penalty-riddled FIU effort LR8 again had a chance to lead the Zips to victory this Saturday and failed (overthrown pass to a wide open WR, and then his red zone fumble).

Our quarterback play has been terrible this season. There's no lipstick anyone can slather on that pig to make a sane person think otherwise.

[Doug Snyder]

I disagree. I don't think any unbaiased or sane person who watched the game an Saturday and could make that claim.

[Lee Adams]

LR8 is bringing in a dimension that Nicely never had. He can run with the ball and get first downs and touchdowns.

If he ever plays for a real coach he might be pretty good.

I agree, and I'm as big of a PN fan as anyone but Moore is a playmaker and that's something we desperately need.

Playmaker? What games are you guys watching? What plays is LR8 making?

So he gets a couple 1st downs on broken play scrambles...he is doing a lousy job as a QB. He had 11 completions on Saturday?! ELEVEN!? He's completing 48% of his passes on the season. He had a chance to win at EMU last week and disappeared. Because of a bungling, inept penalty-riddled FIU effort LR8 again had a chance to lead the Zips to victory this Saturday and failed (overthrown pass to a wide open WR, and then his red zone fumble).

Our quarterback play has been terrible this season. There's no lipstick anyone can slather on that pig to make a sane person think otherwise.

Man this won't go away! To repeat so you know where I am coming from, I thought Nicely or PN7 deserved a shot at starting at the beginning of the season. Again,he had a year in Ianello's system. He played pretty well as a frosh under JD. I wanted to see if he had improved with that year of experience. Then,if not bring in Moore. Didn't happen. COACH'S decision. The coach is living with it.

With that said,after watching Moore against good teams,bad teams and in between now it doesn't appear that he is the type of QB thats going to be real successful as stictly a drop back,pocket passer in a pro system. And,if you watched Saturday you saw some things that MIGHT indicate Ianello is having to make some changes to accomodate the skills Moore does have.

Batted balls were a problem. They seem to be throwing fewer patterns over the middle. The two best pass plays took spectacular catches buy wide receivers down field. Moore can elevate the ball on deep throws. He still has problems with shorter balls. His arm strength is limited.

They actually TRIED to run the option at least 2-3 times to get Moore out on the edge and get his feet moving. They didn't do it very well because the O-line probably hasn't practiced it that much.

They overcommitted to the run. They playcalling appeared frankly extremely basic most of the time. FIU had at least 8 in the box most of the time because they had no respect for the passing game. Ianello continued to run into that even after FIU had pretty much shut down the run game. Problem there was he hung the defense out to dry too many times . They were on the field way too long. Check the number of plays Akron ran vs what FIU ran. Check the time of posession. Check the yardage. Not pretty. Akron was fortunate that FIU didn't really appear all that interested in the 1st half.

Three of the best plays Akron 'ran' were busted plays when Moore scrambled. He either held the ball too long(which he does at times),receivers weren't getting separation or both. It was exciting but you won't make a living doing it.

That said,I don't think there will be any changes this season. Nicely does deserve some credit for sticking around. Has to be tough for him to watch at this point in his career.

[skip-zip]

I only wonder what you were thinking of our QB play last year while you were one of the people who were defending, and waiting for a bad QB to magically emerge after 20 starts. It's not great right now, by any means, but I'll certainly take his 110 QB rating through his first 1/2 season over the 85 QB rating we painfully endured last year from an experienced QB, in a heartbeat.

Playmaker? In this particular game....Absolutely!! Again, nothing stellar is happening on that field right now, but one could easily make the case that we may have been shut out Saturday if not for Moore's ability to avoid the onslaught of rushers long enough to complete passes, and his ability to find yards on his own downfield. And the overthrown pass in the end zone near the end of the game could clearly been seen as a situation where he needed to get rid of the pass way too early on a blitz. Everyone in the stadium could see that.

Does he still need to improve his passing efficiency? By my expectations...yes. As I've said many times, a D-1A QB should still be in the 50s, regardless of whether he has a green crop of inexperienced receivers, and an OL that is quickly approaching devastating circumstances.

[MaxZIP]

I only wonder what you were thinking of our QB play last year while you were one of the people who were defending, and waiting for a bad QB to magically emerge after 20 starts. It's not great right now, by any means, but I'll certainly take his 110 QB rating through his first 1/2 season over the 85 QB rating we painfully endured last year from an experienced QB, in a heartbeat.

Playmaker? In this particular game....Absolutely!! Again, nothing stellar is happening on that field right now, but one could easily make the case that we may have been shut out Saturday if not for Moore's ability to avoid the onslaught of rushers long enough to complete passes, and his ability to find yards on his own downfield. And the overthrown pass in the end zone near the end of the game could clearly been seen as a situation where he needed to get rid of the pass way too early on a blitz. Everyone in the stadium could see that.

Does he still need to improve his passing efficiency? By my expectations...yes. As I've said many times, a D-1A QB should still be in the 50s, regardless of whether he has a green crop of inexperienced receivers, and an OL that is quickly approaching devastating circumstances.

I saw him make a play at the end of the game as well that involved the football hitting the ground and ending up underneath a FIU defender. Neither QB has done anything to warrant starting. This decision rests solely on Icoach and he will take the fall when/if both fail. Why not give time to both because I believe neither has all of the skills needed to get the job done. Hell you might just confuse the defense a little and keep them guessing.

[Captain Kangaroo]

The biggest Playmaker for the Zips in the FIU game was FIU's #71. His post game film session will not be pretty.

FIU had 10 penalties. That was the Zips best offense for most of the day.

[skip-zip]

I only wonder what you were thinking of our QB play last year while you were one of the people who were defending, and waiting for a bad QB to magically emerge after 20 starts. It's not great right now, by any means, but I'll certainly take his 110 QB rating through his first 1/2 season over the 85 QB rating we painfully endured last year from an experienced QB, in a heartbeat.

Playmaker? In this particular game....Absolutely!! Again, nothing stellar is happening on that field right now, but one could easily make the case that we may have been shut out Saturday if not for Moore's ability to avoid the onslaught of rushers long enough to complete passes, and his ability to find yards on his own downfield. And the overthrown pass in the end zone near the end of the game could clearly been seen as a situation where he needed to get rid of the pass way too early on a blitz. Everyone in the stadium could see that.

Does he still need to improve his passing efficiency? By my expectations...yes. As I've said many times, a D-1A QB should still be in the 50s, regardless of whether he has a green crop of inexperienced receivers, and an OL that is quickly approaching devastating circumstances.

I saw him make a play at the end of the game as well that involved the football hitting the ground and ending up underneath a FIU defender. Neither QB has done anything to warrant starting. This decision rests solely on Icoach and he will take the fall when/if both fail. Why not give time to both because I believe neither has all of the skills needed to get the job done. Hell you might just confuse the defense a little and keep them guessing.

You mean the play where our own RB ran into him, which caused the fumble?

You may want to read my post again. It's not a raving endoresement for Moore's greatness. But it does show marked improvement. And after what we've seen at that position for the past 2 seasons, that should be encouraging news to any Zips fan.

[Dave in Green]

All other stats aside, I like QB efficiency ratings as the best overall measurement of a QB's effectiveness.

For example, here are the current top five NFL QBs according to efficiency ratings:

1. Aaron Rodgers, GB, 122.9

2. Tom Brady, NE, 109.5

3. Alex Smith, SF, 104.1

4. Eli Manning, NYG, 102.3

5. Drew Brees, NO, 102.3

If I thought PN7 could produce better QB efficiency ratings than LR8, I'd be inclined to believe PN7 would give the Zips a better chance of winning games than LR8.

[MaxZIP]

I only wonder what you were thinking of our QB play last year while you were one of the people who were defending, and waiting for a bad QB to magically emerge after 20 starts. It's not great right now, by any means, but I'll certainly take his 110 QB rating through his first 1/2 season over the 85 QB rating we painfully endured last year from an experienced QB, in a heartbeat.

Playmaker? In this particular game....Absolutely!! Again, nothing stellar is happening on that field right now, but one could easily make the case that we may have been shut out Saturday if not for Moore's ability to avoid the onslaught of rushers long enough to complete passes, and his ability to find yards on his own downfield. And the overthrown pass in the end zone near the end of the game could clearly been seen as a situation where he needed to get rid of the pass way too early on a blitz. Everyone in the stadium could see that.

Does he still need to improve his passing efficiency? By my expectations...yes. As I've said many times, a D-1A QB should still be in the 50s, regardless of whether he has a green crop of inexperienced receivers, and an OL that is quickly approaching devastating circumstances.

I saw him make a play at the end of the game as well that involved the football hitting the ground and ending up underneath a FIU defender. Neither QB has done anything to warrant starting. This decision rests solely on Icoach and he will take the fall when/if both fail. Why not give time to both because I believe neither has all of the skills needed to get the job done. Hell you might just confuse the defense a little and keep them guessing.

You mean the play where our own RB ran into him, which caused the fumble?

You may want to read my post again. It's not a raving endoresement for Moore's greatness. But it does show marked improvement. And after what we've seen at that position for the past 2 seasons, that should be encouraging news to any Zips fan.

Big play. You may want to read my post again because it wasn't a raving condemnation of Moore either. I don't see a huge improvement in QB play rather in the running game. We will revisit this at the end of the year but I do believe both QBs should see time. Moore’s play has not been stellar and neither has Nicely’s . Play both and go into next year with the battle running hot. I am not a Nicely or Moore suporter. I think they can exist together and have success.

[zip403]

Coach I has backed himself into a corner.. Sure PN had a new system to learn last year just as CM8 did when he got here. I would have given PN7 the first shot this fall,,but as I said I sure RI and RP PROMISSED the starting job to CM8 if he came. With that said...now that CM8 has failed,,,just imagine how much more of an IDIOT RI would feel,,if he puts Nicely in now,,and Patrick DOES GOOD. PN7 is a BIG KID im sure he can RUN the ball if the coaches would let him. POOR COACHING,, Can RI fire you up? NO WAY,, After listening to his monotone youtube fall practice videos,,and the constant face touching,,it was hard not to cancel my season tickets. However,,THANK YOU RI for running our program into the ground. I love being able to park next to the stadium on home games and never having to wait in line for a bathroom or food .

[Captain Kangaroo]

I love being able to park next to the stadium on home games and never having to wait in line for a bathroom or food .

Now THAT'S turning lemons into lemon-aid!

[Doug Snyder]

The biggest Playmaker for the Zips in the FIU game was FIU's #71. His post game film session will not be pretty.

FIU had 10 penalties. That was the Zips best offense for most of the day.

#71 played on the O-line. How was that part f the ZIPS offense??

[Captain Kangaroo]

f the ZIPS offense??

You said it, not me.

[Doug Snyder]

f the ZIPS offense??

You said it, not me.

What... that there is no "O" or are you suggesting something else??

[MDZip]

f the ZIPS offense??

You said it, not me.

What... that is no "O" or are you suggesting something else??

That reminds me of a couple years ago, I texted my sister to see if she wanted to come to a Zips football game. She texted back "fu". A few moments later I got another text that said "n! - there was supposed to be an n on the end of that". Could have worked either way, I guess.