NewZipsFan Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Do you two have a problem with the hiring of Terry Bowden, who, according to the ESPN report that I linked, admitted that there were violations that were taking place when he started at Auburn that he did not report to the NCAA? Side note: Before anyone rips me, I have zero issue with the Bowden hire. I love Terry Bowden being Akron's coach. I'm simply illustrating that some are letting OSU hate stand in the way of logic. There is a HUGE difference. First of all -- I am NOT against the JT hire. However, JT is being sanctioned by the NCAA for his participation in something that violated NCAA rules. Coach Bowden was allegedly "quoted" in some internet story. He has always denied making that statement - he went on LIVE national TV while with ABC Sports when that "story" came out, and disputed it. The NCAA never investigated anything, Coach Bowden has never been sanctioned by the NCAA. He got back into coaching three years ago - and was at the University of North Alabama; then was hired here at Akron in December -- if there were ANY issues with the NCAA those would have been made public, if not a long time ago, then definitely when a professional search firm was used to hire him as a head football coach. So - please let's put to rest this notion that Coach Bowden has somehow had problems with the NCAA. He has not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 No argument here. I said in a post somewhere that the writer who finally nails down that story will win a Pulitzer. Between the over signing, and all of the questionable stuff that goes on in the SEC, it's amazing that the NCAA doesn't come down on them. The sCam Newton thing was bad enough. Alabama is bad, but Auburn is as dirty as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Between the over signing, and all of the questionable stuff that goes on in the SEC, it's amazing that the NCAA doesn't come down on them. The sCam Newton thing was bad enough. Alabama is bad, but Auburn is as dirty as it gets. Clemson had a commit switch to Auburn on national signing day. His reasoning was that there was no chick-fil-a near campus, and you had to drive 15 minutes to go somewhere to eat. (Chick-Fil-A isnt 1000ft from them football stadium and there are plenty of restaurants by campus) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 There is a HUGE difference. First of all -- I am NOT against the JT hire. However, JT is being sanctioned by the NCAA for his participation in something that violated NCAA rules. Coach Bowden was allegedly "quoted" in some internet story. He has always denied making that statement - he went on LIVE national TV while with ABC Sports when that "story" came out, and disputed it. The NCAA never investigated anything, Coach Bowden has never been sanctioned by the NCAA. He got back into coaching three years ago - and was at the University of North Alabama; then was hired here at Akron in December -- if there were ANY issues with the NCAA those would have been made public, if not a long time ago, then definitely when a professional search firm was used to hire him as a head football coach. So - please let's put to rest this notion that Coach Bowden has somehow had problems with the NCAA. He has not. Yeah, Cam Newton was innocent too... If you know about the Auburn football program and think that no violations occurred in Bowden's time there, I'm not sure what to tell you. It's good to see you aren't against the hire though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Between the over signing, and all of the questionable stuff that goes on in the SEC, it's amazing that the NCAA doesn't come down on them. The sCam Newton thing was bad enough. Alabama is bad, but Auburn is as dirty as it gets. The NCAA certainly looks the other way quite a bit with the SEC. It will be interesting to see if Meyer employs "SEC-style" recruiting tactics - like the ridiculous oversigning - in the Big Ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 The NCAA certainly looks the other way quite a bit with the SEC. It will be interesting to see if Meyer employs "SEC-style" recruiting tactics - like the ridiculous oversigning - in the Big Ten. He cant. The B1G doesnt alloy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 The NCAA certainly looks the other way quite a bit with the SEC. It will be interesting to see if Meyer employs "SEC-style" recruiting tactics - like the ridiculous oversigning - in the Big Ten. If he was going to this would have been the year to. He had to turn down a couple 4* guys at the end. He is holding 1 schollie for 1 5* WR right now that hasn't signed yet. Supposedly one of the reasons he left UF was the filth that was the SEC and all the BS that went on. Of course none of us will ever know if that is true or not. He kept all the guys that the previous staff got verbals from even though he wouldn't have recruited many of them. That right there shows more integrity than some in the SEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZipsFan Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Yeah, Cam Newton was innocent too... If you know about the Auburn football program and think that no violations occurred in Bowden's time there, I'm not sure what to tell you. It's good to see you aren't against the hire though. Of course Cam Newton got paid. Bo Jackson was reportedly paid $150k wayyy back then. Coach Bowden was hired to get Auburn thru the Pat Dye imposed NCAA sanctions/probation. He was never supposed to win. Auburn (read: extremely wealthy boosters wh run that program) had to be on their best behavior while on probation. When Coach Bowden won his first 20 straight (with the team that Pat Dye had losing records with) - that success threw a huge monkey wrench into "their" plans for the future of the Auburn football program. When Coach Bowden refused to "play ball" the way they(boosters) wanted him to, they (he) quickly ran him out of Auburn. One only has to talk to, or read, what Dr. William Muse has to say about that time. As I am sure you know, Dr. Muse was the President at Akron before getting the job at Auburn. He was the President when Coach Bowden was hired, and was the during the entire time (1993-1998) that Coach Bowden was there. He is on the record explaining the almost unbelievable situation that occurred, and is probably still occurring at Auburn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Dude, get a grip. We have Terry Bowden as head coach, Caleb Porter (best soccer coach in U.S.), Keith Dambrot (fantastic coach with ties to Lebron) and now we have Jim Tressel (at $200K) working for us. What are you bitching about? This hire is 100% genius. We need publicity and excitement to support the new facilities and get the community excited. Tressel is class and so was Joe Paterno (RIP). I cannot believe anyone would bitch about this hire. If we dont move to a better conference all of these facilities will rot. I have a grip and I was not bitching. I was pointing out an instance where crime does not pay. Has the facilities rotting process commenced? How long will they take to completely rot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Goes directly to motivation. He has between 25 and 30 years in the Ohio retirement system. 30 is the magic number. I count he has around 28 right now. I don't know exactly how it works, but a retired person gets a certain payout based on the average of their highest earning years. Let's say if he makes it to 30 he gets 75% of $1 million during his retired years. Pretty good income for doing nothing. You do realize his retirement income is petty cash compared to the money he married into don't you? And he has already maxed out his retirement benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 OK, I'm going to engage in some cognitive dissonance. I believe that JT engaged in dirty business at OSU and at YSU. I'm also happy that UA has hired him to engage in growth projects for the university. His name, experience and charisma will hopefully do good things for UA. For those of you who somehow try to distinguish OSU from schools in the SEC when it comes to big time dirty business, and who also attempt to tar SEC programs and coaches while implying that Tressel is clean, you are completely and utterly full of shit. The implication that Auburn is beyond the pale, tarring TB at least tangentially, while OSU and it's B10 brethren are clean, makes me want to vomit. While I'm happy that tressel is here, OSU is the absolute definition of the gigantic, dirty college football program. Don't think for a second that there is ANYTHING that makes that god damned football factory in Columbus any better, in any way, than any of the schools in the SEC. Tressel is not clean; it's just that this is his chance at redemption, and hopefully UA will benefit along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 If he was going to this would have been the year to. He had to turn down a couple 4* guys at the end. He is holding 1 schollie for 1 5* WR right now that hasn't signed yet. Supposedly one of the reasons he left UF was the filth that was the SEC and all the BS that went on. Of course none of us will ever know if that is true or not. He kept all the guys that the previous staff got verbals from even though he wouldn't have recruited many of them. That right there shows more integrity than some in the SEC. Urban Meyer left Florida because Tim Tebow's eligibility had expired and he saw an Alabama/LSU rising on the horizon. There will be much less pressure at Columbus State than there was with the big boy's in SEC country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Urban Meyer left Florida because Tim Tebow's eligibility had expired and he saw an Alabama/LSU rising on the horizon. There will be much less pressure at Columbus State than there was with the big boy's in SEC country. Believe what you want. It fits the thought process of many here. However, I agree about the pressure part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 You do realize his retirement income is petty cash compared to the money he married into don't you? And he has already maxed out his retirement benefit. I don't care what he married into. People always want more. What is the max retirement benefit in Ohio and how is it reached? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Do you two have a problem with the hiring of Terry Bowden, who, according to the ESPN report that I linked, admitted that there were violations that were taking place when he started at Auburn that he did not report to the NCAA? I have no issue with his hire. All I said was I give Tressel's time at Akron being around 12-18 months...closer to 12. 10 months from now, coaches will begin to be fired and his name will come up in conversations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Supposedly one of the reasons he left UF was the filth that was the SEC and all the BS that went on. Of course none of us will ever know if that is true or not. I thought it was the heartburn he was having? Or, he looked around and thought, "I haven't done a good job of bringing in good players and I need to get out." If he brought in better players, he wouldn't have been so concerned with what goes on in the SEC. If Tim Tebow could have been able to play for him for ten years at Florida, he would still be there. He is excellent at picking schools with a good QB, going there and winning right away. I'm not sure he has a Chris Leak or Tebow or Smith at OSU. When the stud QB goes away, his greatness goes away. His saving grace at OSU will be how terrible the conference is and the lack of meaningful competition each week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Goes directly to motivation. He has between 25 and 30 years in the Ohio retirement system. 30 is the magic number. I count he has around 28 right now. I don't know exactly how it works, but a retired person gets a certain payout based on the average of their highest earning years. Let's say if he makes it to 30 he gets 75% of $1 million during his retired years. Pretty good income for doing nothing. Oh Grate One, let me lead you toward the light. First, he already has over 30 years of service. Second, at 30 years of service the payout is equal to 66 2/3% not 75%. Third, after 30 years, each service year would add about $9,000 after tax to JTs annual retirement pay - chump change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I've found GP1 is just a blind hater with anything that has ever been associated with Ohio State. SAD that some of you cant see the good in this. Even sadder that some of the OSWho lovers can't see the bad. Some of you sit here and slam on the SEC, but want to excuse Tressel. Hypocracy and jealousy maybe? Right now, JT is the poster child for lying and cheating in college athletics. That will likely fade over time. But for right now he is being identified, nationwide, as being a part of the U of A. The timing is horrible, and you can't expect those who love the U of A to ignore such an obvious negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Even sadder that some of the OSWho lovers can't see the bad. Some of you sit here and slam on the SEC, but want to excuse Tressel. Hypocracy and jealousy maybe? Right now, JT is the poster child for lying and cheating in college athletics. That will likely fade over time. But for right now he is being identified, nationwide, as being a part of the U of A. The timing is horrible, and you can't expect those who love the U of A to ignore such an obvious negative. I'm in the belief that no school is truly "clean" (even Akron). Its a matter of how severe and how bad the NCAA/ESPN wants to nail you depending on whether you get caught or not. Who cares what the nation thinks of Tressel? The only people who matter are the ones who he is trying to raise money for our University from. And he will probably do a better job than well...just about anybody else that we could have stuck it that position. PS- What OSU did is nothing compared to Auburn, Alabama, and Oregon have all done recently. They havent been caught because of ESPN's bias of the south and the money that comes along with Mr. Knight at Oregon. If you havent heard of these, check em out. Also, you guys make it out that Tressel is some POS scum of the earth. How about you take your anti-OSU glasses off and look at all the good he has done. His players got tattoos(something he had no involvement in).Big whoop. He withheld information from the NCAA. The IRS was investigating that tattoo parlor, and Tressel was told not to release any information. Yea..that is as bad as paying somebody 200k to come play for them. Who are you going to be more afraid of..the Federal government or NCAA? I think the answer is pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I'm in the belief that no school is truly "clean" (even Akron). Its a matter of how severe and how bad the NCAA/ESPN wants to nail you depending on whether you get caught or not. Who cares what the nation thinks of Tressel? The only people who matter are the ones who he is trying to raise money for our University from. And he will probably do a better job than well...just about anybody else that we could have stuck it that position. PS- What OSU did is nothing compared to Auburn, Alabama, and Oregon have all done recently. They havent been caught because of ESPN's bias of the south and the money that comes along with Mr. Knight at Oregon. If you havent heard of these, check em out. Also, you guys make it out that Tressel is some POS scum of the earth. How about you take your anti-OSU glasses off and look at all the good he has done. His players got tattoos(something he had no involvement in).Big whoop. He withheld information from the NCAA. The IRS was investigating that tattoo parlor, and Tressel was told not to release any information. Yea..that is as bad as paying somebody 200k to come play for them. Who are you going to be more afraid of..the Federal government or NCAA? I think the answer is pretty obvious. What's obvious is that the excuses are going to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I'm in the belief that no school is truly "clean" (even Akron). Its a matter of how severe and how bad the NCAA/ESPN wants to nail you depending on whether you get caught or not. Who cares what the nation thinks of Tressel? The only people who matter are the ones who he is trying to raise money for our University from. And he will probably do a better job than well...just about anybody else that we could have stuck it that position. PS- What OSU did is nothing compared to Auburn, Alabama, and Oregon have all done recently. They havent been caught because of ESPN's bias of the south and the money that comes along with Mr. Knight at Oregon. If you havent heard of these, check em out. Also, you guys make it out that Tressel is some POS scum of the earth. How about you take your anti-OSU glasses off and look at all the good he has done. His players got tattoos(something he had no involvement in).Big whoop. He withheld information from the NCAA. The IRS was investigating that tattoo parlor, and Tressel was told not to release any information. Yea..that is as bad as paying somebody 200k to come play for them. Who are you going to be more afraid of..the Federal government or NCAA? I think the answer is pretty obvious. The whole OSU thing would have been no more than bird doo doo on you windshield if Mr. Tressel had told the truth when he first had the opportunity. Who told him not to 'release any information'? And what information specifically was he 'told' not to release? The BS about his excuse that there was some sort of legal investigation going on so he couldn't tell the truth is just that,BS. Yes there was an investigation. That did not give Mr. Tressel license to not tell the truth. He had a personal attorney. Your first call is to your attorney IF you are at all concerned about your own eventual culpability. If the legal authorities(not the NCAA) wanted Mr. Tressel to tell them what he knew w/o going public,thats cooperating with an investigation not concealing information. Did an explanation of that sort ever surface? Mr. Tressel made this about him. Yes its a shame that some other administrators didn't fall with him. But,now it is what it is. Hopefully there will not be any future blowback on Akron. Good luck Mr. Tressel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 What's obvious is that the excuses are going to continue. as will the hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 as will the hate. And the jealousy of OSWho fans towards the SEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 And the jealousy of OSWho fans towards the SEC. So who's your team? Auburn, Alabama, UF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 And the jealousy of OSWho fans towards the SEC. As will the jealousy of Akron fans towards OSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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