akzipper Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 The MAC is crap, there is no secret there. BUT the Big East is going after big markets. It's no coincidence the new teams are located in Philadelphia, Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Memphis, etc. The only reason Akron would have a chance is because of facilities and the Akron-Cleveland market. It's never going to happen, but no other MAC schools have the same combination to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Well the Big East is clearly in panic mode at this point. They're determined to keep all remants of the proposed TV market based league together. Contrary to what some here believe, I don't think any MAC school, including UA, brings a decent market to the table. Fresno isn't that big of a market either, but they have a rabid fan base. UNLV brings a market. None of this makes any difference, because I'll be shocked if either Fresno or UNLV decide to leave the MWC for the Big East. So to answer your question, I don't think Akron or any MAC school is on the Big East radar primarily because of market size. I'm not sure I take this as an afront, because I don't think it has all that much to do with the product on the field. I think it's a perfectly acceptable goal for the MAC to compete and hopefully get the better of the Sunbelt, C-USA, the MWC and the Big East among the lower tier of FBS football. The latter two will be challenging, but in 2012 the MAC put itself in good shape to stay ahead of the first two conferences. I realize that doesn't excite everyone, but that's how I feel. I'll buy all of that. As I noted in a couple other posts though, the MAC falls far short when it comes to resourcing. Pay the coach, pay the staff, coach recruits players, players perform. I know there isn't direct connectivity between coaches' salary and quality of recruits and thus quality of play, but it sure appears to fall in line that way overall. The bottom line is likely that for the MAC to compete with the conferences you list above, the highest-ranking team of which gets the future "access" bowl invitations, pay for coaching staffs will have to increase by more than double the current MAC rate. I didn't run the numbers but it appears the average FBS coach makes about 1 million clams and the MAC is paying in the 300s, except for Solich at 500K. In reality the MAC HC pay is a lot more similar to pay at the FCS level than it is to average FBS level. ND State just extended their HC and he's going to make 220K plus incentives on a 10 year deal. Terry, at 375K, is a lot closer to that than to the 1,000,000 average FBS coaching pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I think it's a perfectly acceptable goal for the MAC to compete and hopefully get the better of the Sunbelt, C-USA, the MWC and the Big East among the lower tier of FBS football. The latter two will be challenging, but in 2012 the MAC put itself in good shape to stay ahead of the first two conferences. I realize that doesn't excite everyone, but that's how I feel. A national division of these schools excites me. Throw in a playoff and a national championship in that division and what isn't there to get excited about? Does a playoff game or two at the Big Dialer sound like fun? Do meaningful game in September sound fun? All of these things are on their way. It is only a matter of time. I look forward to the future of college football because I think it will free the non bcs schools from the reigns of the bcs schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 A national division of these schools excites me. Throw in a playoff and a national championship in that division and what isn't there to get excited about? Does a playoff game or two at the Big Dialer sound like fun? Do meaningful game in September sound fun? All of these things are on their way. It is only a matter of time. I look forward to the future of college football because I think it will free the non bcs schools from the reigns of the bcs schools. That would be perfectly fine with me. I just don't wat to move below the rest of the MAC, because I think we'll be competing well with those teams soon. The one thing I've always wondered regarding this scenario has to do with scheduling. Would you still see teams scheduling outside of their division like you do now? If the Big 64 ever formalizes, would they only play each other? I'm not saying whether that would be good or bad; I just wonder how it would play out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 The one thing I've always wondered regarding this scenario has to do with scheduling. Would you still see teams scheduling outside of their division like you do now? If the Big 64 ever formalizes, would they only play each other? I'm not saying whether that would be good or bad; I just wonder how it would play out. Screw the big 64. They only play themselves and we only play our division. Only conference winners make the playoffs based on a conference and nonconference record like the nfl. Tie breakers consist of conference record. All first place teams have to play each other the following year. Second place plays second place. Third place plays third place, etc,,it is a method of keeping teams from dominating the division like team like Mt Union do in other divisions with a playoff. Shall we now have the discussion as to why this division should be played in the spring to take advantage of the American love of football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 ..... Shall we now have the discussion as to why this division should be played in the spring to take advantage of the American love of football? I believe there was a thread on spring football that went dead after everyone said everything they wanted to say on the subject. I don't believe anyone changed their minds. But you could go back and read that thread and see if you think there's anything new to be brought out. EDIT: Found it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdt1420 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'm warming to the idea of splitting off the "big boys" and not allowing them to play down divisions. Someone could educate me better on the European soccer league and how it actually works, but I'd LOVE a scenario where after every year or two the top four and bottom four teams of every division were promoted or demoted. Not sure how conference affiliations would work in that scenario, but it would be great to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'm warming to the idea of splitting off the "big boys" and not allowing them to play down divisions. Someone could educate me better on the European soccer league and how it actually works, but I'd LOVE a scenario where after every year or two the top four and bottom four teams of every division were promoted or demoted. Not sure how conference affiliations would work in that scenario, but it would be great to see. No breaks for these guys. No demotions, no nothing. They want it all, let's give them what they want and watch most of the schools get crushed under the weight of their greed. They will want a quasi professional league.... Let's see how they do with it. My guess is they will screw up any structure designed to create an equal playing field, like the NFL does, and there will be only a handful of teams within ten years that have any shot at winning a championship. Let the bubble grow and stay out of the bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips Win! Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Screw the big 64. They only play themselves and we only play our division. Only conference winners make the playoffs based on a conference and nonconference record like the nfl. Tie breakers consist of conference record. All first place teams have to play each other the following year. Second place plays second place. Third place plays third place, etc,,it is a method of keeping teams from dominating the division like team like Mt Union do in other divisions with a playoff. Shall we now have the discussion as to why this division should be played in the spring to take advantage of the American love of football? This would be my fear. The big 64 would continue to pay a little more and entice schools in the new lower division to play. Are you telling me that an AD will turn down a payday if it helps guarantee his paycheck? Also, how else will tosu continue to get 12 home games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 This would be my fear. The big 64 would continue to pay a little more and entice schools in the new lower division to play. Are you telling me that an AD will turn down a payday if it helps guarantee his paycheck? Also, how else will tosu continue to get 12 home games? Schools have to protect themselves from their ADs and set up a structure where there can't be any cross games between divisions. I was watching the NFL with the luckiest woman in the world, Mrs. GP1, last weekend and New England was on. I mentioned it seems as if they play every game at home and she said they are like OSU in that respect. But no, OSU can put on their big boys pants in September along with all of the other Big 64 teams and play a meaningful schedule in September. Don't tell an OSU fan they play a soft schedule because they will tell you they play Oklahoma in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 It's all about the money. Whatever happens with the Super 64, they will continue to entice the s@#t-suckers, like MAC teams, with a little extra cashish. Schools like UA will take a few extra shillings to be crushed in the home coliseums of the giganticon Super 64. Maybe they'll even add a few extra dollars so the fans in said coliseums can enjoy some genuine bloodsport. As insane as the above sounds, even if it were reality, I have no doubt that many of the tiny, toe-sucking programs would continue to sacrifice the health and safety of their players, not to mention pride in their programs, and take the paydays at the modern-day coliseums. It truly is all about how much money the ADs can suck in on such games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 It truly is all about how much money the ADs can suck in on such games. If it is all about money, there is more money in not playing non bcs teams. If it is about wins, playing the non bcs teams makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zestycoyote Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Can this thread be killed yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 With the playoff structure, winning non-conference games isnt as important. This could be the end of the MAC vs Big Ten games every year. There's more money for them to play bigger opponents, and a loss doesn't hurt that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 So how many threads are going to turn into an FCS debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally B Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 No breaks for these guys. No demotions, no nothing. They want it all, let's give them what they want and watch most of the schools get crushed under the weight of their greed. They will want a quasi professional league.... Let's see how they do with it. My guess is they will screw up any structure designed to create an equal playing field, like the NFL does, and there will be only a handful of teams within ten years that have any shot at winning a championship. Let the bubble grow and stay out of the bubble. I love it GP! But who's to say all but a handful of so called bigs actually have a chance now anyways.... "The woman on the radio talks about revolution, but it's already passed her by" Jesus Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 San Diego State backs out of their commitment to join the Big East and returns to the Mountain West. Somebody returned to sanity (I'll bet it was related to not enough Big East guaranteed money ). So now Boise and SDSU are staying where they should have in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Big East today announced they want to add a 12th team. Probably another terrible school like Tulsa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Big East today announced they want to add a 12th team. Probably another terrible school like Tulsa. I can't think of a single school that would make such a foolish move right now. The BE is a dead man walking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I can't think of a single school that would make such a foolish move right now. The BE is a dead man walking. Any school from C-USA or the Sunbelt. They would basically be moving back to play with their old conference mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Any school from C-USA or the Sunbelt. They would basically be moving back to play with their old conference mates. Southern Miss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I can't think of a single school that would make such a foolish move right now. The BE is a dead man walking. Anything is better than the MAC, I'd make the move in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 UA could be the Boise State of the Big East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Say what you want but the MAC only has 4 teams with +.500 records right now, and a team that only scored 4 points in a half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Anything is better than the MAC, I'd make the move in a heartbeat. The Catholic schools are leaving the league and mostly the rest are abandoning it. Who would you play games against? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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