GP1 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Get below 12 and we can't hold a championship game. If a tree falls in the woods and there is nobody there to hear it, does it make a sound? Leagues shouldn't be about championship games. They should be about the regular season and creating the best product on the field week after week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 If a tree falls in the woods and there is nobody there to hear it, does it make a sound? Leagues shouldn't be about championship games. They should be about the regular season and creating the best product on the field week after week. So you want to get rid of our best football program? Interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 If a tree falls in the woods and there is nobody there to hear it, does it make a sound? Leagues shouldn't be about championship games. They should be about the regular season and creating the best product on the field week after week. Getsy-to-Hixon. Best moment in Zips football history. MAC championship football game rules. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 If a tree falls in the woods and there is nobody there to hear it, does it make a sound? If GP1 makes a statement in the forest and Mrs. GP1 isn't around to hear it, is he still wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 If GP1 makes a statement in the forest and Mrs. GP1 isn't around to hear it, is he still wrong? Yes, because he made a statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Dream on guys. 1946 the league was established and the best we can do is have a football game played in front of around 5,000 people determining the chance to go to some crap bowl game. The MAC could sign contracts with bowls without a championship game. Up until last year, the Big Ten did just fine without a championship game. They need to stop bringing in crap to the league like UMASS and thin the herd. The more crap they bring in, the worse we look and the worse the entertainment is. If that means no conference championship game, so be it. When the league decides it actually wants to be a real league (after 60+ years) then it can start to THINK about bringing in more teams. Where we stand now, the league could change the name to "The Desperate 13". We'll do anything, including bringing in teams like UMASS, to make the league look relevant. It's offensive to the intellect. I don't dislike the MAC as much as I'm offended by the fact the people who run it think we are all idiots. I know what a lot of you are thinking right now because I used to think like that as well..."The MAC was pretty good last year. The building process is working." Don't fool yourself. Once every 5-6 years, the MAC is good. Between those years, it is the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 If a tree falls in the woods and there is nobody there to hear it, does it make a sound? Leagues shouldn't be about championship games. They should be about the regular season and creating the best product on the field week after week. Not sure about that, but it sure makes some $$$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Not sure about that, but it sure makes some $$$$. I wonder how many times a day this gets said at the NCAA's offices in Indiana on their quest to destroy college athletics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Having the name UMass, they must be the flagship program of Massachusetts, and how can you go wrong adding a flagship? Getsy-to-Hixon isn't the ruination of college football. It's a championship-level football game for the MAC, not EMU vs. K.e.n.t, which is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Having the name UMass, they must be the flagship program of Massachusetts, and how can you go wrong adding a flagship? University of Vermont? UNH? URI? University of Maine? Idaho? UMASS... The point is, you can go wrong bringing in the wrong teams just because they are a flagship. I don't think the actions the MAC takes are anything more than flailing in desperation. The addition of UMASS is one of those actions...Football only? Terrible. It's a horrible situation to be making decisions. One could argue that the Sun Belt and CUSA are both better leagues than the MAC and neither have a flagship school in their conference. There was an old saying about picking up girls when I was in college. "Go ugly early and avoid the rush." It's 2:30 am and the inert MAC has the worst of the worst to pick from at this point. We couldn't even pick up an ugly girl at 10PM. Marshall was the best girl the MAC has ever picked up and they were, in reality, a skank compared to the universe of potential girls. Worse yet, we keep thinking the girls will get better looking for real, not just the beer talking, as the night goes on. I'm not sure how the MAC wins long term in this situation. They might get some tonight, but if their outlook does not change, they will be in the same situation every weekend. This short term thinking will continue forever as it has since 1946. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Captain Kangaroo Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 University of Vermont? UNH? URI? University of Maine? Idaho? UMASS... The point is, you can go wrong bringing in the wrong teams just because they are a flagship. The remark about the flagship was a tongue-in-cheek reference to a thread from a few days ago (wish I could find it, but I'm no good at using our site's crappy search function). I love the MACC because it is fun to watch any championship game. And it's more football, which is always good. UMass is historically a solid 1-AA program. They now play their home games at Gillette Stadium, which I'm really looking forward to attending. And the MAC is a great defibrillator for any sickly 1-A, or healthy 1-AA program looking to become competitive at the 1-A level. Based upon UCF, Temple and Marshall, it won't be long before UMass starts whipping the MAC "lifers," and moves on to bigger and better things. I like the UMass addition. Who cares if the conference is numerically unbalanced...it isn't rocket science to make it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 It's OK Capt. I'm thinking most of us remember that the Grate one thought Purdue couldn't be a flagship school because it didn't have the State name in its title. I think he may have been playing dumb just to wreak your dig. In this case, however, I agree with the Grate one; adding UMass (or any other school) to the conference for football only is the wrong way to go. I didn't mind adding Temple for football only because it was needed to save their program and they were one of a very few D1 schools who agreed to play at our place when we first went D1. That debt has now been paid and it would cause me no pain to see them move on, and I would not welcome them back in for football only again. My nominations for best (doable) addition to the conference in all sports would be Western KY and N. Iowa, but if we are to limit additions to "Flagship" schools, any with the name Dakota in their title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xu9697 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 The MAC should do what the PAC12 does= play the championship game at the better team's stadium. Neutral site stuff only works for a couple of leagues, and certainly NOT for the MAC...especially when that champ might be going to Detroit 3 weeks later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 ...certainly NOT for the MAC.-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xu9697 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 -1 I'm sorry..you are right. The 13,000 last year and 12,000 the year before are good numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 The whole reason the MAC went to a neutral site championship is because they tried holding it on campus sites and it sucked. We're not going back to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 The MAC should do what the PAC12 does= play the championship game at the better team's stadium. Neutral site stuff only works for a couple of leagues, and certainly NOT for the MAC...especially when that champ might be going to Detroit 3 weeks later. One of the best things about MAC football...Maybe the best thing about MAC football is Ford Field. Fantastic place to see a football game. Especially when it is snowing. The PAC-10 can do what they do because there isn't much of a chance of snow at their schools fields. Most are in warm weather states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 The whole reason the MAC went to a neutral site championship is because they tried holding it on campus sites and it sucked. We're not going back to that. Define "Sucked." The only fault with the on-campus games was the unfair home-field advantage. The games were great, and well-attended (without looking, I'll say they all sold out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 The whole reason the MAC went to a neutral site championship is because they tried holding it on campus sites and it sucked. We're not going back to that. Marshall benefited greatly from having home games because the championship was played at their stadium. They normally had very large crowds. I went to a Toledo/Marshall championship game one year in Toledo and the stadium was half empty on a freezing cold night. Couldn't really blame anyone for not sitting in that cold. Great game though. Went to Roethlisberger's last game at Miami when they beat BG in BG on a mud pit. Not much of a crowd, but fun to watch Ben play a great game. The games didn't suck. They weren't always the best, but great championship games of any sort are hard to come by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Dream on guys. 1946 the league was established and the best we can do is have a football game played in front of around 5,000 people determining the chance to go to some crap bowl game. The MAC could sign contracts with bowls without a championship game. Up until last year, the Big Ten did just fine without a championship game. They need to stop bringing in crap to the league like UMASS and thin the herd. The more crap they bring in, the worse we look and the worse the entertainment is. If that means no conference championship game, so be it. When the league decides it actually wants to be a real league (after 60+ years) then it can start to THINK about bringing in more teams. Where we stand now, the league could change the name to "The Desperate 13". We'll do anything, including bringing in teams like UMASS, to make the league look relevant. It's offensive to the intellect. I don't dislike the MAC as much as I'm offended by the fact the people who run it think we are all idiots. I know what a lot of you are thinking right now because I used to think like that as well..."The MAC was pretty good last year. The building process is working." Don't fool yourself. Once every 5-6 years, the MAC is good. Between those years, it is the MAC. As opposed to 'moving up' to a higher rent district,I would be worried about some MAC teams falling further down the food chain than they already are. There are a very few basketball programs in the MAC that might attract some outside interest. Akron likely would be one of those few. But,there would be no interest in taking Akron or most, not all, of the other MAC football programs into a 'better' conference. Competeively,Akron is in its niche competetively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozips19 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 GP1 so what are you getting at? Sometimes you seem to say that we should just move down to FCS. Other times it's just stay in the MAC. If Akron has a chance at moving up and increasing the profile of the school (not just in athletics ) why not take it? The administration certainly is thinking that way or else they wouldn't have invested in the the campus and athletic facilities like they have in the past 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 GP1 so what are you getting at? Sometimes you seem to say that we should just move down to FCS. Other times it's just stay in the MAC. If Akron has a chance at moving up and increasing the profile of the school (not just in athletics ) why not take it? Not an easy answer. Actually, it is really long, I don't have the time to get into it and you can read about it in my posting history. Has to do with the NCAA creating a division for BCS and turning it into the semi-pro league it already is. We don't belong in that league and I'm fine with that. I'm OK with the MAC and us becoming the best team in the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Competeively,Akron is in its niche competetively. Agreed. We are exactly where we need to be for the three sports we are either good at or want to be good in. Soccer has no choice at this point. MBB is a great MAC basketball program, but I believe it would struggle to win the Horizon League. Football could be a great program, but once at that point, it could turn into Marshall if it entered even CUSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I had an opportunity to speak with George Van Horne last night and he told me the "Temple Shuffle" is complete and the 2012 football schedule is done. He couldn't elaborate too much since it's not ready to be released yet, but he liked the home games and there is a good conference road game to end the season. Can't wait to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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