GeorgeThomasABJ Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 http://www.ohio.com/blogs/ua-zips/universi...ansfer-1.321065 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Dalton’s style of play didn’t suit Bowden’s offense. Used to using his feet more, the coach prefers pocket passers who can run his up tempo, no-huddle style.Did you mean "Moore's style?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jalapeño Zippy Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 http://www.ohio.com/blogs/ua-zips/universi...ansfer-1.321065 4th paragraph. I think you mean Clayton. Thanks so much for posting. I love the inside scoop. Have you been able to catch up with our 3rd recruit yet? I have been waiting to see that article. Sorry if I missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyZip Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 The big question will be whether or not there will be a pocket to throw in next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 The big question will be whether or not there will be a pocket to throw in next season.From the sound of what coach Bowden is telling us, the ball will leave the pocket much quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 The big question will be whether or not there will be a pocket to throw in next season. That's another problem we've had the last couple of years; QBs throwing the ball in the pocket. We need a QB who can throw from the pocket to one of our team's eligible receivers who is outside the pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 OK, so in the old Nicely vs. Moore debate, who voted "neither?" No disrespect intended toward either player. They were both in bad situations under the previous coaching staff, and neither suited the style of the new coaching staff. Both QBs took some really hard hits along the way, and I was especially worried about Moore's longterm health the way he was being frequently leveled. I wish the same good luck to Moore in finding a better situation that I did to Nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jupitertoo Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 OK, so in the old Nicely vs. Moore debate, who voted "neither?" No disrespect intended toward either player. They were both in bad situations under the previous coaching staff, and neither suited the style of the new coaching staff. Both QBs took some really hard hits along the way, and I was especially worried about Moore's longterm health the way he was being frequently leveled. I wish the same good luck to Moore in finding a better situation that I did to Nicely. Bringing in a one-and-done player at QB makes me suspicious of Bowden's long-term plans. Is he hoping for a quick fix and new job? It's not really textbook approach for building a program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Bringing in a one-and-done player at QB makes me suspicious of Bowden's long-term plans. Is he hoping for a quick fix and new job? It's not really textbook approach for building a program. It makes sense if you don't have anybody else on the roster who knows enough of the offense to start, but plenty of freshmen who need a year to learn. Starting a young QB who is not ready is the worst possible thing to do if you have long-term plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 He already has a verbal from his style quarterback. Getting a one and done in here that can win ball games is exactly what Bowden needs to do. We need to win some games to help on the recruiting front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 It makes sense if you don't have anybody else on the roster who knows enough of the offense to start, but plenty of freshmen who need a year to learn. Starting a young QB who is not ready is the worst possible thing to do if you have long-term plans. True, but it would be unwise to not let the freshman QB get some real game minutes thoughout the season. He may not be ready from game one, but by the time the MAC season starts he should be getting some meaningful minutes. Please don't let this guy only come in when the game is almost over. We need to develop the next QB for the next 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I don't think Dalton Williams is going to light the world on fire, but if he comes out of nowhere and starts putting up big numbers and winning games, then by all means keep him in and let him finish the season as starter. I don't care if he's one and done, winning games will do a lot more for the program long term than playing a guy who isn't ready just to get him meaningful minutes and prepare for next year. I hope Kyle Pohl overtakes Williams on his own right this season, but if he doesn't run the offense better then I'm sure he'll be just fine getting ready for next season by taking notes from the sidelines and getting reps with the 1's come spring time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 82 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 That's another problem we've had the last couple of years; QBs throwing the ball in the pocket. We need a QB who can throw from the pocket to one of our team's eligible receivers who is outside the pocket. Thanks, Zipmeister. I just spit Diet Mountain Dew all over my new flat-screen and keyboard from laughing so hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips Win! Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I don't think Dalton Williams is going to light the world on fire, but if he comes out of nowhere and starts putting up big numbers and winning games, then by all means keep him in and let him finish the season as starter. I don't care if he's one and done, winning games will do a lot more for the program long term than playing a guy who isn't ready just to get him meaningful minutes and prepare for next year. I hope Kyle Pohl overtakes Williams on his own right this season, but if he doesn't run the offense better then I'm sure he'll be just fine getting ready for next season by taking notes from the sidelines and getting reps with the 1's come spring time. He might. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't relinquish the starting role. Then next year, we need to find another 5th year transfer to come and play qb for the Zips. In fact, I would hire a GA to create a data base on all D1 and IAA QB's across the nation and find out who would be eligible to play for us next year. Then go and recruit him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Starting a young QB who is not ready is the worst possible thing to do if you have long-term plans. It depends on the plan. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm Ok with a player starting as a freshman and taking a bit of a beating as long as it doesn't destroy him. Learning from the bench is nonsense. That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger. The long term plan for a college athlete who is capable of starting his freshman year shouldn't be a gradual improvement process over for years....that's for high school kids and small thinkers. A player capable of starting as a freshman should have a big jump in his ability between his freshman and soph seasons with gradual improvement after those seasons, but not the big jump. The freshman will start after the ooc schedule is complete. It's a lot easier to play against the mac than Tennessee or UCF. He'll still have some bumps along the way, but he'll be better off for it in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Bringing in a one-and-done player at QB makes me suspicious of Bowden's long-term plans. Is he hoping for a quick fix and new job? It's not really textbook approach for building a program. That's a big concern for me too, since I had been hearing that he might be leaning towards starting a Transfer Senior. I hope it's not a quick exit strategy, and I'll personally stick with my "the younger, the better" philosophy on how we select our players for this season, based on our current situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 That's a big concern for me too, since I had been hearing that he might be leaning towards starting a Transfer Senior. I hope it's not a quick exit strategy, and I'll personally stick with my "the younger, the better" philosophy on how we select our players for this season, based on our current situation. Let's not allow the fifth column to bring us down before Bowden Ball has even been able to get out of the blocks. Go Zips!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Let's not allow the fifth column to bring us down before Bowden Ball has even been able to get out of the blocks. Go Zips!!! Could we play at least a few games before we throw Bowden under the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipsrifle Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I feel like I'm standing in the middle of a train wreck. I expect some of this, and I believe TB knows what he is doing, so yet another year of sitting in the stands hoping to be surprised. Now, what are our options at QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Dalton Williams will start, but redshirt freshman Kyle Pohl is the most likely to overtake him. There's also true freshman Tyrell Goodman and sophomore transfer (from Lake Erie College) Curtis Watson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 The goal has to be to win some games. We can't take another year of 1-11 Whatever it takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Dalton Williams will start, but redshirt freshman Kyle Pohl is the most likely to overtake him. There's also true freshman Tyrell Goodman and sophomore transfer (from Lake Erie College) Curtis Watson. Goodman was moved to WR in the spring. There are only 2 real options at this point in 2012, and apparently they're better than what we've had the last 2 seasons based on TB's evaluation (and that's good enough for me). I could see Franco being the emergency 3rd team QB if he shows something in summer camp, but TB was pretty clear he's not expecting additional competition for the starting job from the newcomers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Could we play at least a few games before we throw Bowden under the bus. Since when does a discussion among sports fans where they question or have doubts about an individual decision made by a Coach persuade someone to think that we have all somehow completely abandoned our faith in the coach? It's not the first time (or the hundreth time), and it won't be the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I don't know if Moore would have been able to win us games, but I do bet he is better than Dalton Williams. I feel bad for him for what went down last season, but really don't think this transfer should be making so many people, so negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottditzen Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I guess I'm the minority in that I thought in the Spring game Dalton Williams looked like the best Akron QB since Luke Getsy. Yes he threw at least two very bad passes. That will happen when you throw 100 times. To my eyes, his play is so much more fluid than what we saw with Jacq, Nicely, Moore, etc. Especially Nicely and Moore, who when they dropped back always looked very stiff and robotic. Almost as if they were already locked in on their options and wearing blinders. Then there was the inconsistency...ie Moore would have one strong throw, then the next would be a wounded duck. On the other hand Dalton in the Spring game had the ability to quickly scan the field and make some very solid throws. His arm is consistently strong. Nevertheless, I predict TB's offense is going to result in a good number of open receivers and YAC. We're going to move the ball, and mock cheering for rare first downs will be a thing of the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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