Hilltopper Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Since we have 4 commits for next year and only 3 seniors, somebody with a current scholarship is going to be out after this season. If Wednesday night was any indication, it will be Josh Egner. He was the only scholarship player to not see any time on the court. In a game that was a 40 point blowout, its pretty telling that he didn't even get some minutes during garbage time. As far as I know he isn't injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpsjugglerdude Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Walsh, Zeke, Chauncey, and Diggs free up 4 scholarships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Diggs Scholarship is being taken by Foresythe. http://zipsnation.org/forums//index.php?s=...st&p=147328 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpsjugglerdude Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Diggs Scholarship is being taken by Foresythe. http://zipsnation.org/forums//index.php?s=...st&p=147328 Ah thats right, I forgot about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I'm sure Josh would be welcomed with open arms at Mount Union if he decides to transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 And if he chooses to stay they have to keep paying him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 After watching Egner play a number of HS games, I was really impressed with his potential to help bring a new level of athleticism to the Zips. I was convinced that Egner would bring more to UA than his HS teammate Mark Henniger would bring to Can't. To date, neither player has been able to fully translate their starring HS performances at the college level. Unlike when Egner was signed, the Zips are now loaded with players who are both athletic and skilled. If Egner was not injured when he sat out the Tiffin game, then it's certainly looking more as if he might end up in a similar situation as his fellow 2010-11 Zips recruits Dakotah Euton and Michael Green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 So I should ignore this? ..and this? …and the stats? ..and the practices? crud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 So I should ignore this? ..and this? …and the stats? ..and the practices? crud. ignore /igˈnôr'/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 seems we are always freaking about about scholarships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 So I should ignore this? ..and this? …and the stats? ..and the practices? crud. Can't we just all get along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 And if he chooses to stay they have to keep paying him. huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 huh? What I mean is they can't decide that he doesn't play enough and cancel his scholarship. It is a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 After watching Egner play a number of HS games, I was really impressed with his potential to help bring a new level of athleticism to the Zips. I was convinced that Egner would bring more to UA than his HS teammate Mark Henniger would bring to Can't. To date, neither player has been able to fully translate their starring HS performances at the college level. Unlike when Egner was signed, the Zips are now loaded with players who are both athletic and skilled. If Egner was not injured when he sat out the Tiffin game, then it's certainly looking more as if he might end up in a similar situation as his fellow 2010-11 Zips recruits Dakotah Euton and Michael Green. I noticed that Mike Green is listed on the roster for local school Chaminade U. this year (and not as a red shirt). Is there a no-redshirt rule for transfers from D1-to-D2? May go to game next week and see if he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I noticed that Mike Green is listed on the roster for local school Chaminade U. this year (and not as a red shirt). Is there a no-redshirt rule for transfers from D1-to-D2? May go to game next week and see if he plays. If you transfer to a lower division, you don't have to sit out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 What I mean is they can't decide that he doesn't play enough and cancel his scholarship. It is a contract. Thanks for your clarification. Scholarships are generally given for one year. A player on scholarship has this year paid for. Not to worry. While it is sometimes necessary to not renew a player's scholarship (multiple reasons) what is happening now is the player realizing that he will not get much, if any, playing time. He elects to transfer to a school where he can get to play in games. Usually for a division one player this means transferring to a division two or three school so he does not have to sit out for a year. So many goofy rules; so little time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 I believe that KD and his staff go out of their way to help all Zips players find the best situation for their particular circumstances. If a Zips scholarship player finds himself at the end of the bench due to being outperformed by other scholarship players, and if that player really wants to play basketball somewhere, I'm confident that he will get a lot of help to find the best possible situation for his skill level. Dakotah Euton had a great season at Asbury University last year, earning a spot on the 2011-12 KIAC Men’s Basketball All-Conference Team, and Michael Green will certainly be enjoying his time in Hawaii (right, Z.I.P.? ) playing for giant killer Chaminade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumberjack Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 I noticed that Mike Green is listed on the roster for local school Chaminade U. this year (and not as a red shirt). Is there a no-redshirt rule for transfers from D1-to-D2? May go to game next week and see if he plays. There is no sit out for transfers from D1 to D2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Thanks for your clarification. Scholarships are generally given for one year. A player on scholarship has this year paid for. Not to worry. While it is sometimes necessary to not renew a player's scholarship (multiple reasons) what is happening now is the player realizing that he will not get much, if any, playing time. He elects to transfer to a school where he can get to play in games. Usually for a division one player this means transferring to a division two or three school so he does not have to sit out for a year. So many goofy rules; so little time. So you are saying that if a player is not getting minutes the school can just revoke his scholarship? If the athlete has to commit to the school for four years (and sit out a year for a lateral transfer), the school is obligated as well. Of course, if a student is suspended or expelled for misconduct or academic reasons, that is a different story. But just for not being "good enough"? Sounds like contract law would govern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozips19 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 So you are saying that if a player is not getting minutes the school can just revoke his scholarship? If the athlete has to commit to the school for four years (and sit out a year for a lateral transfer), the school is obligated as well. Of course, if a student is suspended or expelled for misconduct or academic reasons, that is a different story. But just for not being "good enough"? Sounds like contract law would govern. This happens all the time in all sports. This is nothing new and will continue to happen. I had a few friends who lost their scholarship or have the amount reduced in certain sports. It sucks but again this has been going on for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 So you are saying that if a player is not getting minutes the school can just revoke his scholarship? No, I neither said that or even suggested that. You need to realize that athletes tend to be rather competitive individuals. A player usually does not like sitting on the bench. Most especially if he/she realizes that the there are other players who will get the available playing minutes. Thus, when a player realizes that he/she is not going to play, there is a strong drive to go to a school where he can play. Don't you think that you would make the same choice? If the athlete has to commit to the school for four years (and sit out a year for a lateral transfer), the school is obligated as well. It does.Again I point out that scholarships are granted one year at a time. If Zeke Marshall was so good, like John Wall at Kentucky, and leaves after one year like Wall did, does the school have to hold his scholarship for the next three years? Of course, if a student is suspended or expelled for misconduct or academic reasons, that is a different story. But just for not being "good enough"? Sounds like contract law would govern. Contract law does apply. In contracts the obligation goes both ways. The player has to meet the requirements he/she has agreed to. Not being able to play as well as their team mates is not one of the stipulations. Technically, few players chose to "go along for the ride." A couple of years ago Steve Swiech realized that he was not going to play and opted to transfer. Steve excelled at a lower level school even to being named to their all conference time. Steve several times took the time visit his former Akron team mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 So you are saying that if a player is not getting minutes the school can just revoke his scholarship? If the athlete has to commit to the school for four years (and sit out a year for a lateral transfer), the school is obligated as well. Of course, if a student is suspended or expelled for misconduct or academic reasons, that is a different story. But just for not being "good enough"? Sounds like contract law would govern. That is exactly what he is saying. The renewable one year scholarship may also not be renewed if the coach doesn't like the way the player buttons his shirt, to protest weather forecasts, because it's Tuesday, or any other reason or non-reason. The best way for a player who is deep on the bench and who wants to maintain a scholarship is to get injured, preferably while assisting someone (or an animal) in danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 That is exactly what he is saying. The renewable one year scholarship may also not be renewed if the coach doesn't like the way the player buttons his shirt, to protest weather forecasts, because it's Tuesday, or any other reason or non-reason. The best way for a player who is deep on the bench and who wants to maintain a scholarship is to get injured, preferably while assisting someone (or an animal) in danger. No, that is NOT what I said. Your assessment is unreasonable, inaccurate and nonsensical. If coaches behaved as you are portraying them they would soon be out of a career. Coaches love to teach and develop their players. They almost always do their best to help their charges. The player is a reflection of the coach's choice. After all, the coach offered the player a scholarship. Please remember that scholarship offers are made, in most cases, to seventeen year old boys not yet in their senior year of high school. The player has to do his part and get better as a student, person and player. Shall we saddle coaches with kids who fail to measure up? Instead of criticizing suggest an alternative that makes sense. You make coaches sound like self-serving ogres that do no not care a wit about their players. How wrong you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 So you are saying that if a player is not getting minutes the school can just revoke his scholarship? If the athlete has to commit to the school for four years (and sit out a year for a lateral transfer), the school is obligated as well. Of course, if a student is suspended or expelled for misconduct or academic reasons, that is a different story. But just for not being "good enough"? Sounds like contract law would govern. Look at Alabama in football. There are players every year that are cut. Sure, Saban finds another term to use, but they are cut. If you are not good enough they find a way to get rid of you. Most don't do this, because this would severly hurt recruiting, but some can get away with it easily because of who they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Look at Alabama in football. There are players every year that are cut. Sure, Saban finds another term to use, but they are cut. If you are not good enough they find a way to get rid of you. Most don't do this, because this would severly hurt recruiting, but some can get away with it easily because of who they are. Thankfully the SEC is finally cracking down on over-signing (I think). Also, Coach isnt going to revoke anyone's scholarship for no reason. I feel like I may have lost a few brain cells reading this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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