FromdaBurgh Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 An NBA team cannot force a player to sign a contract with a foreign team, therefore the notion that an NBA team can send a player overseas is inaccurate. When an NBA team sends a player to NBDL, they are under contract with the NBA team and is taking up a roster spot. That is what gives the European players an edge. Again, nothing I wrote was wrong. BEFORE YOU SPEAK...PLEASE DO YOUR HOMEWORK SIR!!! IT IS WRITTEN and PAT RILEY HIMSELF..HAS JUST PROVEN MY POINT! I'm done with this discussion...MY POINT HAS BEEN PROVEN AND VERIFIED!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippyman23 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 BEFORE YOU SPEAK...PLEASE DO YOUR HOMEWORK SIR!!! IT IS WRITTEN and PAT RILEY HIMSELF..HAS JUST PROVEN MY POINT! I'm done with this discussion...MY POINT HAS BEEN PROVEN AND VERIFIED!!! All the CBA says that an NBA team will retain the players rights for an additional year if the player signs a contract with a foreign team. Nowhere does it state that an NBA can force a player to sign with a foreign team. Pat Riley did not force anyone to sign a contract with a foreign team. You seem to be confusing players agreeing to go overseas with teams actually sending them overseas. There's obviously a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 The sticking point here appears to be the word "send," which can be interpreted as forcing someone to do something against their will versus mutual consent of the team and player. The precise question seems to be whether or not an NBA team can force a player to play overseas against his will, or if it's required that the player agrees to play overseas with the mutual agreement that if he can prove himself overseas that he's more likely to stick on the NBA team's roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippyman23 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 The sticking point here appears to be the word "send," which can be interpreted as forcing someone to do something against their will versus mutual consent of the team and player. The precise question seems to be whether or not an NBA team can force a player to play overseas against his will, or if it's required that the player agrees to play overseas with the mutual agreement that if he can prove himself overseas that he's more likely to stick on the NBA team's roster. NBA teams own the right to sign the draft pick to a contract, nothing more, nothing less. They cannot force the player to sign with them, which should make it pretty obvious that cannot force them to sign a contract with a foreign team instead. The players being "stashed" overseas are signing directly with foreign team, not the NBA team, while the NBA team retains the right to sign them to a contract. Conversely, teams can send players to the D-League because they are under contract with the NBA team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromdaBurgh Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 I will REPEAT myself.....and now I am speaking as one who may be facing this VERY SITUATION. While a player, like any other consumer can reject ANY CONTRACT, IF a player signs with a team and/or is drafted by a team....THAT TEAM can send that player overseas to play for a year while holding onto their rights as a player. NOW...AGAIN...speaking from CURRENT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.....IF a team wants to send a player overseas they will certainly put that in the contract AND YES....the player, can reject the contract....sit out one year and re- enter the draft the following year!!! OR, they can accept the contract, allow the team to send them overseas and in a year the player and the team will re-evaluate the contract. Similar to Julian Mavunga. I NEVER SAID that a team could force anyone to do anything....what I corrected was your statement that a NBA team CANNOT send an American Player overseas....THAT Zippyman23 IS..ONCE AGAIN AN INCORRECT STATEMENT!!!! Can we PLEASE MOVE ON NOW!! I mean....since Im actually LIVING OUT THIS POSSIBILTY...I think I would/should know what the heck I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 @zippyman23 and GameChngr44, my understanding is similar to both of yours. After a college player is drafted, the team that drafts him owns the rights to sign him to a contract. The player can't go sign with another NBA team, but is free to sign with a team not directly connected with the NBA. If the player either by himself or at the suggestion of the team decides that he could benefit from playing overseas, he can either go seek a deal by himself or ask the NBA team to help him find a good place to play. In most cases this is a cooperative effort between the player and NBA team. Technically, the NBA team does not "send" (force) him overseas but may assist him in finding a good opportunity to improve his game to NBA level. Both the player and the NBA team can benefit from a cooperative effort. I can also understand how this might be loosely described as the NBA team "sending" the player overseas, but in a cooperative sense of the player agreeing to be sent. "Stashing" a player in a league outside the U.S. is just NBA slang for this practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippyman23 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 I will REPEAT myself.....and now I am speaking as one who may be facing this VERY SITUATION. While a player, like any other consumer can reject ANY CONTRACT, IF a player signs with a team and/or is drafted by a team....THAT TEAM can send that player overseas to play for a year while holding onto their rights as a player. NOW...AGAIN...speaking from CURRENT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.....IF a team wants to send a player overseas they will certainly put that in the contract AND YES....the player, can reject the contract....sit out one year and re- enter the draft the following year!!! OR, they can accept the contract, allow the team to send them overseas and in a year the player and the team will re-evaluate the contract. Similar to Julian Mavunga. I NEVER SAID that a team could force anyone to do anything....what I corrected was your statement that a NBA team CANNOT send an American Player overseas....THAT Zippyman23 IS..ONCE AGAIN AN INCORRECT STATEMENT!!!! Can we PLEASE MOVE ON NOW!! I mean....since Im actually LIVING OUT THIS POSSIBILTY...I think I would/should know what the heck I'm talking about. Julian Mavunga didn't sign with an NBA team, he signed directly with a team overseas. Since he wasn't drafted, he is still free to sign with any NBA team. Even though he may have went overseas at the suggestion of Indiana, they hold no more rights to him than anyone else. I'd suggest keeping that in mind for your personal situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Right, an undrafted free agent like Mavunga (or Zeke) is a different story from a drafted player. The Pacers liked Mavunga's summer league play so much that they invited him to continue individual workouts with the team over the rest of the summer, which helped give him a good taste of NBA training. They liked him enough in summer practice to invite him to their preseason training camp. But a camp invite is not a guarantee of a contract, and Mavunga apparently thought his odds weren't quite high enough. So he passed on Indiana's preseason training camp and on his own signed a contract with a pro team in Italy. Mavunga believes a season of pro ball in Europe will increase his NBA chances more than attending Pacers preseason training camp, plus he's earning a pretty decent salary in Italy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendofzippy Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Looks like only two centers on the 76ers summer league team. Great opportunity for Zeke. 76ers Summer League Roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Interesting that Arnett Moultrie is on the 76ers team. Zeke was the only player Moultrie faced two seasons ago who was able to shut him down when the Zips beat Mississippi State. MSU forward Arnett Moultrie made just 2 of 13 shots, finishing with 8 points and 15 rebounds. Akron 7-footer Zeke Marshall blocked five shots and altered many more. "It bothered me a lot," Moultrie said. "I was worrying about finishing over him. That's why I missed so many easy buckets." Moultrie went on to have a great junior season, was drafted #27 and started showing some game for the 76ers late last NBA season. Going back to Julian Mavunga, I'm not sure how much he raised his NBA stock by playing in Italy last season. In nearly 23 minutes per game he averaged 7.3 points on 48.3% shooting and 4.4 rebounds. It's hard to believe his team allowed him to shoot 33 3-pointers, as he made only 4 (12.1%)! Mavunga Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Looks like only two centers on the 76ers summer league team. Great opportunity for Zeke. 76ers Summer League Roster There is another familiar name on that roster - D.J. Cooper. Sometimes I think DJ and Zeke are going to be linked forever. Each got two MAC titles and battled each other for four years. Kind of fun to see them playing together after that all-star game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Zeke is one of two players who did not play for the 76ers today in a 88-80 loss. Not exactly sure what to make of that being that I dont usually follow summer league. Cooper played 14 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 A Day One DNP is not a good sign. Neither is this quote: "You just can't play everyone." - Michael Curry on Zeke Marshall's DNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 There is another familiar name on that roster - D.J. Cooper. Sometimes I think DJ and Zeke are going to be linked forever. Each got two MAC titles and battled each other for four years. Kind of fun to see them playing together after that all-star game. I missed the all-star game to which you are referring. Do you have a link to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Zeke and DJ played together for the East team in the Reese's College All-Star Game at the Georgia Dome (link). Pretty dismal news about Zeke not playing a single minute today. If he gets into a game, he's going to have play the most intense ball he's ever played every second he's on the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Zeke and DJ played together for the East team in the Reese's College All-Star Game at the Georgia Dome (link). Pretty dismal news about Zeke not playing a single minute today. If he gets into a game, he's going to have play the most intense ball he's ever played every second he's on the floor. Thanks for the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromdaBurgh Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 According to an "insider" Zeke was given the "day off" yesterday. It has NOTHING to do with his playing, they are VERY PLEASED with what he has been doing in camp. It was suppose to be Moultrie and Eric on Sunday and Zeke and Motum today...however, the Motum player was put in yesterday because of "concerns" that the team had with him during the scrimmage against Utah! I too, like many of you was not happy with Zeke not getting any playing time, however, after further inquiry I was provided with the above information, which leads me to believe that they wanted Zeke good and rested for today's match up! Take it for what it's worth...the coach isn't going to say any nicey, nicey things about Zeke or any of the other UDFA's they have...I didn't care for that comment either, BUT, like I said an "insider" provided me with the "real reason" and I'm cool with that! He definitely has to SHOW OUT today against Plumlee, who EVERYONE is raving about right now! He is VERY READY and just wants his opportunity to show his value and worth to the teams who are still in need of a big (and there are several including the 76ers). #TeamZeke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromdaBurgh Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 I missed the all-star game to which you are referring. Do you have a link to it? Zipmeister, unfortunately they do not replay the All Star game online and you probably won't find it on youtube and they provided "very little" in way of game recap on their website. http://www.nabc.org/events/College_All-Star_Game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 According to an "insider" Zeke was given the "day off" yesterday. It has NOTHING to do with his playing, they are VERY PLEASED with what he has been doing in camp. It was suppose to be Moultrie and Eric on Sunday and Zeke and Motum today...however, the Motum player was put in yesterday because of "concerns" that the team had with him during the scrimmage against Utah!Thanks for the update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 @GameChngr44, that makes sense. I recall now from following previous NBA Summer League games that it's not unusual for some players to sit and some to play long minutes in alternating games. For example, Isaiah Canaan is given a good shot at making it in the NBA. But the Houston coach's decision was to not play him against the 76ers yesterday. Apparently teams like to evaluate a few players in long stints rather than all the players in shorter stints. The 76ers play the Pacers at 1 pm today, so hopefully this will be Zeke's opportunity to play long minutes and show everyone what he's got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 It turns out that Isaiah Canaan is not a good example as Houston didn't play him yesterday because he's recovering from an ankle injury. But there are other uninjured players for various teams who didn't play yesterday but will likely play today or tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 According to an "insider" Zeke was given the "day off" yesterday. It has NOTHING to do with his playing, they are VERY PLEASED with what he has been doing in camp. It was suppose to be Moultrie and Eric on Sunday and Zeke and Motum today...however, the Motum player was put in yesterday because of "concerns" that the team had with him during the scrimmage against Utah! I too, like many of you was not happy with Zeke not getting any playing time, however, after further inquiry I was provided with the above information, which leads me to believe that they wanted Zeke good and rested for today's match up! Take it for what it's worth...the coach isn't going to say any nicey, nicey things about Zeke or any of the other UDFA's they have...I didn't care for that comment either, BUT, like I said an "insider" provided me with the "real reason" and I'm cool with that! He definitely has to SHOW OUT today against Plumlee, who EVERYONE is raving about right now! He is VERY READY and just wants his opportunity to show his value and worth to the teams who are still in need of a big (and there are several including the 76ers). #TeamZeke Does insider's name rhyme with Beke? Just kidding of course. Hope this is accurate - hated seeing Zeke in his warmups all game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromdaBurgh Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Does insider's name rhyme with Beke? Just kidding of course. Hope this is accurate - hated seeing Zeke in his warmups all game. NO..it wasnt Zeke!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 No Zeke yet today heading toward halftime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 No offense to the Zeke brain trust but signing on to a Summer League team and not getting playing time seems like a bad decision. If this is what the NBA thinks of Zeke then he should probably pack his back for Europe. Meanwhile Ryan Hollins signs a contract with the Clippers. As bad as a Hollins is he continues to get NBA jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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