Valpo Zip Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 It doesn't matter what you think of pot and whether or not it should be legal. AA should not set a foot in the JAR, ever! This is Akron! Think about the next time KD is visiting a family to recruit a kid. You have one of two scenarios: Scenario 1: ======== Parent: so coach, how about that Abreu kid? KD: That was an isolated unfortunate incident. The kid made a bad decision, we helped him get back on his feet because we care about our people. We also made sure that no one else on the team was involved by running extensive drug tests. We made sure every one on the team learned a valuable lesson, so this will never happen again. Scenario 2: ======== Parent: so coach how about that Abreu kid? KD: That was an isolated unfortunate incident. The kid made a bad decision, and... Parent: ...and you're fine with that... and you allowed him back on the team! KD: well no, but we wanted to give him another chance Parent: another chance to sell pot to my son? KD: he's really regretting what he did. Parent: I don't want my kid to regret anything so he's not going to Akron Pick one of the two scenarios . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 It doesn't matter what you think of pot and whether or not it should be legal. AA should not set a foot in the JAR, ever! This is Akron! Think about the next time KD is visiting a family to recruit a kid. You have one of two scenarios: Scenario 1: ======== Parent: so coach, how about that Abreu kid? KD: That was an isolated unfortunate incident. The kid made a bad decision, we helped him get back on his feet because we care about our people. We also made sure that no one else on the team was involved by running extensive drug tests. We made sure every one on the team learned a valuable lesson, so this will never happen again. Scenario 2: ======== Parent: so coach how about that Abreu kid? KD: That was an isolated unfortunate incident. The kid made a bad decision, and... Parent: ...and you're fine with that... and you allowed him back on the team! KD: well no, but we wanted to give him another chance Parent: another chance to sell pot to my son? KD: he's really regretting what he did. Parent: I don't want my kid to regret anything so he's not going to Akron Pick one of the two scenarios . Where is the LIKE button? He committed a felony while enrolled and playing Div I varsity basketball. He is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Something tells me he'll be in uniform by midseason. lol. No. Anyways, I'm glad AA admitted his guilt and is owning up to it and wants to make a difference in other people's lives so they dont make the same mistake he did. Hope he can get it turned around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I really do understand what you are saying, but that isnt fair to your son. It is human nature to get attached to certain players and AA was one of those guys for me as well. Granted, I didnt take it as hard as a 5 year old would with a hero, but I wouldn't let one guy that messed up spoil it for you son. It is a lesson learned in life, although a crappy one for your son. I think we have some really good young men on this team, so hopefully, one of them steps up and wins his spirit back! When I was a kid my favorite baseball player wrapped his car around a tree because he was highly intoxicated. I was upset/confused, but I clearly remember what my dad told me - people make mistakes, and that I should look at said player's good qualities (playing hard, being a leader on the field, etc) and try to have those qualities in myself. Alex is a good kid who messed up big time. Maybe your son can still envy some of his good qualities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 GP1 makes a good point that the Abreu situation is complicated by the fact that it involves marijuana, something that some believe is the devil's weed and others believe is less harmful than alcohol. That discussion is best left to the OT forum and does not belong in the Akron Zips Basketball forum. For this forum, we might consider that NASCAR legend Junior Johnson -- author Tom Wolfe's The Last American Hero -- once spent a year in an Ohio prison for running bootleg liquor for his father, a lifelong bootlegger who spent more than 20 years in prison. Junior was not pardoned for his 1956 bootlegging conviction until decades later when President Ronald Reagan issued a pardon in 1986 after Junior's many good deeds finally overcame his one-time arrest and conviction. The only point I'm making here is that Abreu may at some point in the future be pardoned by all Zips fans. But it's not going to happen in the next year or two while he's still eligible to play college ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I guess the disappointing thing for me was that there was a plea deal, and as a result, we will never know what really happened. And after following the facts of the case for so long, that's a letdown for me. I sure hope that he is never allowed back on the team. For me, that would not speak highly of the integrity of our program. Time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 The harm is still minor in the long run. Him coming back on the team and helping them to be successful would erase the harm. Fans love a player who can help a team win. His teammates still won the MAC. The University's basketball image was mildly dented with that loss to Can't and the NCAA Tournament (a game we were completely outclassed in all the way around). The children? They get over those things when the next cartoon or video games start. One day they will be adults and look back at our pot laws and shake their heads at what a stupid legal system we had that destroyed lives in the name of pot. It's the same feeling I get when I think about Prohibition. You guys might be surprised at how welcomed he would be by the other players. Hell, he's probably still friends with some of them. The Dumbing down continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted June 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 What I know is that Dambrot believes in second chances, as he said after the arrest, being he is a product of a second chance. Being in the business I'm in, I don't buy for a minute the BS about the "safety" of marijuana. But at the same time I agree to a point with GP about the severity of the offense. In my business I take a very different look at someone who commits DUI than someone in possession of a certain amount of weed in his house. One is putting everyone else's lives in jeopardy, the other is a felon? Marked for life? There have been much worse felonies by college athletes who returned to the game, not very far from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 What I know is that Dambrot believes in second chances, as he said after the arrest, being he is a product of a second chance. Being in the business I'm in, I don't buy for a minute the BS about the "safety" of marijuana. But at the same time I agree to a point with GP about the severity of the offense. In my business I take a very different look at someone who commits DUI than someone in possession of a certain amount of weed in his house. One is putting everyone else's lives in jeopardy, the other is a felon? Marked for life? There have been much worse felonies by college athletes who returned to the game, not very far from here. He did not possess it for personal use, he possessed it for sale, and according to what was published here, this was not the first time. He will not, and should not, be back. And keep in mind that he was suspended well before the end of the semester, so he would have an academic issue with NCAA as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 GP1 makes a good point that the Abreu situation is complicated by the fact that it involves marijuana, something that some believe is the devil's weed and others believe is less harmful than alcohol. That discussion is best left to the OT forum and does not belong in the Akron Zips Basketball forum. For this forum, we might consider that NASCAR legend Junior Johnson -- author Tom Wolfe's The Last American Hero -- once spent a year in an Ohio prison for running bootleg liquor for his father, a lifelong bootlegger who spent more than 20 years in prison. Junior was not pardoned for his 1956 bootlegging conviction until decades later when President Ronald Reagan issued a pardon in 1986 after Junior's many good deeds finally overcame his one-time arrest and conviction. The only point I'm making here is that Abreu may at some point in the future be pardoned by all Zips fans. But it's not going to happen in the next year or two while he's still eligible to play college ball. I'm not sure how good AA's automotive skills are, but I see your point. There is still a chance that he can be a hero kids can look up to if he becomes a NASCAR driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted June 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Racing is a different sport. You work for an individual, not an administration, athletics dept., coaching staff, alumni, etc. And if all else fails you can make your own way as an owner-driver. Interesting analogy between moonshine and marijuana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I'm not sure how good AA's automotive skills are, but I see your point. There is still a chance that he can be a hero kids can look up to if he becomes a NASCAR driver. Where is the LIKE button? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 GP1 makes a good point that the Abreu situation is complicated by the fact that it involves marijuana, something that some believe is the devil's weed and others believe is less harmful than alcohol. That discussion is best left to the OT forum and does not belong in the Akron Zips Basketball forum. For this forum, we might consider that NASCAR legend Junior Johnson -- author Tom Wolfe's The Last American Hero -- once spent a year in an Ohio prison for running bootleg liquor for his father, a lifelong bootlegger who spent more than 20 years in prison. Junior was not pardoned for his 1956 bootlegging conviction until decades later when President Ronald Reagan issued a pardon in 1986 after Junior's many good deeds finally overcame his one-time arrest and conviction. The only point I'm making here is that Abreu may at some point in the future be pardoned by all Zips fans. But it's not going to happen in the next year or two while he's still eligible to play college ball. But you have to keep in mind that running bootleg is basically the minor league training grounds for NASCAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I'd like to reappoint my original point. But I guess it's pointless to point out the point and then feel disappointed when the point becomes a plane and takes off on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I'd like to reappoint my original point. But I guess it's pointless to point out the point and then feel disappointed when the point becomes a plane and takes off on its own. I think I like this post but I am not sure if I like it so I will sleep on it and if I decide I like it I won't tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jupitertoo Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I think I like this post but I am not sure if I like it so I will sleep on it and if I decide I like it I won't tell you. You guys have a package delivered to your address recently? You were supposed to sell it, not consume it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Here's the way I see it. I don't think there would be any problem with our own fans welcoming him back. My only issue is this: It's not his first problem, and he is now a convicted felon. Can our program handle bringing back someone like this? Should our current team be forced to deal with the distractions? And is the long-term recruiting, reputation and integrity of the program more important? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 It doesn't matter what you think of pot and whether or not it should be legal. AA should not set a foot in the JAR, ever! This is Akron! Think about the next time KD is visiting a family to recruit a kid. You have one of two scenarios: Scenario 1: ======== Parent: so coach, how about that Abreu kid? KD: That was an isolated unfortunate incident. The kid made a bad decision, we helped him get back on his feet because we care about our people. We also made sure that no one else on the team was involved by running extensive drug tests. We made sure every one on the team learned a valuable lesson, so this will never happen again. Scenario 2: ======== Parent: so coach how about that Abreu kid? KD: That was an isolated unfortunate incident. The kid made a bad decision, and... Parent: ...and you're fine with that... and you allowed him back on the team! KD: well no, but we wanted to give him another chance Parent: another chance to sell pot to my son? KD: he's really regretting what he did. Parent: I don't want my kid to regret anything so he's not going to Akron How do you know the parent will even ask? I offer a another "Scenario 3" Parent: so coach, how about that Abreu kid? KD: That was an isolated unfortunate incident. The kid made a bad decision, but he sells some really good weed. Parent: And you are fine with him selling really good weed? KD: Yes and No... Parent: You can't have it both ways coach... KD: Yes I can, this isn't high school debate club. Parent: He will try to sell pot to my son. KD: Probably not. But if your son is so weak willed he gives into pot against his beliefs, we really don't want him on our team. Take his weak ass over to Portage County or to Athens with the rest of the mental midgets. Parent: I've never been so offended! KD: Likewise...your presence and self superior attitude makes me want to vomit. Why did you waste my time today? Parent: I'm not self superior, I just know I'm better than other people. KD: Did you raise your son this way? Parent: Of course I did. (Long Pause) KD: Sometimes people make mistakes. Sometimes they make really big mistakes. Here is what I know. It's college basketball, not life or death. Alex was polite to alumni and friends, worked hard, played through injury, helped the team to win, signed autographs for small children and did what he needed to do in the classroom. Take away his mistake and he has been great for this program and I'll miss him on a personal level. A player like your son would be a cancer to this team and I think our conversation here is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 How do you know the parent will even ask? I offer a another "Scenario 3" ... (Long Pause) KD: Sometimes people make mistakes. Sometimes they make really big mistakes. Here is what I know. It's college basketball, not life or death. Alex was polite to alumni and friends, worked hard, played through injury, helped the team to win, signed autographs for small children and did what he needed to do in the classroom. Take away his mistake and he has been great for this program and I'll miss him on a personal level.(edited by me) The last paragraph is great after a little editing. The rest of it is crap and an insult to KD. This belongs in another forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 The last paragraph is great after a little editing. The rest of it is crap and an insult to KD. This belongs in another forum. It is all BS. He is a convicted Felon. The University suspended him when he was charged. He was convicted of what he was charged with. His scholarship is gone. He needs 1.5 years to graduate, because the spring semester is a giant incomplete. Even if he had the money to pay out of State tuition for 1.5 years, which I remind you is not cheap, he would probably be on academic probation for the beginning of the year and therefore ineligible for sports. As sure as the sun rises in the East, he will not be back. If you happen to notice the sun setting in the East, let me know, and I will eat my words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Anyone who wants him back/thinks he should be allowed back is an embarrassment to Zipsnation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Anyone who wants him back/thinks he should be allowed back is an embarrassment to Zipsnation. +100000000 And let me add, this was not a bar fight, this was not a domestic fight with a woman who was driving him nuts, THIS WAS A PREMEDITATED CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. I am not saying he should be executed or sent to prison for life. I am saying he is not fit to be a representative of this university. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 +100000000 And let me add, this was not a bar fight, this was not a domestic fight with a woman who was driving him nuts, THIS WAS A PREMEDITATED CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. I am not saying he should be executed or sent to prison for life. I am saying he is not fit to be a representative of this university. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I don't want him back either. I doubt his former teammates want him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 The last paragraph is great after a little editing. The rest of it is crap and an insult to KD. This belongs in another forum. You're so over dramatic about KD. I'm sure the guy probably has a pretty good sense of humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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