jupitertoo Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Please, some big "Whale" donor, come forward to replace InfoCision as title sponsor of the stadium. Today's piece in ABJ just disgusting about that company's business practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Wouldn't this be a good place to paste a link to the article that you refer to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I hope that everyone reads every word of this long story because there are many, many disturbing revelations from beginning to end. Link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I hope that everyone reads every word of this long story because there are many, many disturbing revelations from beginning to end. Link. Two threads going on about this. I'd like to comment on your post Dave. These aren't revelations. InfoCision has treated their employees horribly for years and so many people have worked there it is impossible to believe mass numbers of people didn't know what a horrible place it was. There is no way that a place like the ABJ didn't know about what really goes on there years ago. They were in bed with InfoCision. That's why a media outlet like Bloomberg had to blow the lid off of that pile of filth, the ownership and management. Now that InfoCision is hurt, the ABJ is going to pile on? Bad media outlet pretending to be it wasn't ignoring this issue for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I should have said more revelations. There were some new ones to me in this article, and I give credit to the ABJ for bringing more to light. The last one about winning national awards as a great place to work by forcing employees to fill in surveys on a company computer where their responses can be tracked is downright Orwellian. That along with employees being forced to sign nondisclosure agreements promising they will not talk about the company publicly even after they leave, regardless of their reason for leaving, suggests a corporate philosophy that knows it's dirty and will go to any lengths to cover up the dirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Two threads going on about this. I'd like to comment on your post Dave. These aren't revelations. InfoCision has treated their employees horribly for years and so many people have worked there it is impossible to believe mass numbers of people didn't know what a horrible place it was. There is no way that a place like the ABJ didn't know about what really goes on there years ago. They were in bed with InfoCision. That's why a media outlet like Bloomberg had to blow the lid off of that pile of filth, the ownership and management. Now that InfoCision is hurt, the ABJ is going to pile on? Bad media outlet pretending to be it wasn't ignoring this issue for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Ohio.com from October 2012 Principal naming rights for the stadium were purchased through a personal donation by Gary Taylor, Founder and Chairman of InfoCision Management Corporation, a firm based in nearby Bath Township that operates call centers. Through Taylor's $10 million donation to the university, InfoCision secured naming rights for the stadium for twenty years. Wiki Source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 There is a big stadium and an arena in downtown Cleveland. They were paid for by a sin tax...a tax on alcohol and cigarettes. What society segment consumes the greatest amount of alcohol and cigarettes? The poor. I look outside the doorway of my Company and I see 10 hourly Production workers for every 1 salary employee taking a smoke break. Our schools are funded by the state lottery. Who plays the lottery? Predominately, the poor. Scamming the poor and stupid is the foundation of our society. It builds our stadiums and educates our kids. InfoCision Corp is no worse than any city or state government. To the poor and stupid I say - Thanks for the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 There is a big stadium and an arena in downtown Cleveland. They were paid for by a sin tax...a tax on alcohol and cigarettes. What society segment consumes the greatest amount of alcohol and cigarettes? The poor. I look outside the doorway of my Company and I see 10 hourly Production workers for every 1 salary employee taking a smoke break. Our schools are funded by the state lottery. Who plays the lottery? Predominately, the poor. Scamming the poor and stupid is the foundation of our society. It builds our stadiums and educates our kids. InfoCision Corp is no worse than any city or state government. To the poor and stupid I say - Thanks for the stadium. +1 My dad still gets weekly solicitation letters from the ACLU, Friends of Hillary etc... He was sure that the money he sent them was going to help change the world. He has been dead for over 8 years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 You guys make me feel proud to be an American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 There is a big stadium and an arena in downtown Cleveland. They were paid for by a sin tax...a tax on alcohol and cigarettes. What society segment consumes the greatest amount of alcohol and cigarettes? The poor. I look outside the doorway of my Company and I see 10 hourly Production workers for every 1 salary employee taking a smoke break. Our schools are funded by the state lottery. Who plays the lottery? Predominately, the poor. Scamming the poor and stupid is the foundation of our society. It builds our stadiums and educates our kids. InfoCision Corp is no worse than any city or state government. To the poor and stupid I say - Thanks for the stadium. Do you think they get interrupted a lot by telemarketers while they are on their porches at home smoking Pall Mall non filters and drinking Old Milwaukee while playing some scratch offs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 InfoCision Corp is no worse than any city or state government. That's some pretty bad company to be in.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 That's some pretty bad company to be in.... No argument from me on that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendofzippy Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 What society segment consumes the greatest amount of alcohol and cigarettes? The poor. There are numerous studies that dispute this. Many would show that they drink less. But what's the difference? If you have money for beer and cigs, you have money to pay for a stadium. Tough luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Many would show that they drink less.Example. The Poor Smoke More Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Lottery players have less income and education than non-players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendofzippy Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 The article on the poor smoking more is interesting, but for this discussion a bit misleading since it's taking the entire world into account. The whole thing is not very definitive, but the statement that 84 percent of smokers living in developing countries leads me to believe they aren't financing US sports stadiums. The lottery article is pointless, since that's not the discussion. At any rate, I don't see where sin taxes unfairly affect the poor. Again, if you have money to spend on these items, tough luck where it goes. I think sin taxes are more of a corporate-welfare issue anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 The article on the poor smoking more is interesting, but for this discussion a bit misleading since it's taking the entire world into account.Does this help you understand? Cigarette Tax Will Affect Low-Income Americans Most Cigarette taxes ...likely to affect low-income Americans as it is to affect high-income Americans. That's because 34% of the lowest-income Americans smoke, compared with only 13% of those earning $90,000 or more per year. Take a guess how the Vikings will help pay for their new stadium??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jupitertoo Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 There is a big stadium and an arena in downtown Cleveland. They were paid for by a sin tax...a tax on alcohol and cigarettes. What society segment consumes the greatest amount of alcohol and cigarettes? The poor. I look outside the doorway of my Company and I see 10 hourly Production workers for every 1 salary employee taking a smoke break. Our schools are funded by the state lottery. Who plays the lottery? Predominately, the poor. Scamming the poor and stupid is the foundation of our society. It builds our stadiums and educates our kids. InfoCision Corp is no worse than any city or state government. To the poor and stupid I say - Thanks for the stadium. Is any city or state government that you know of calling the elderly and trying to convince them to liquidate their IRAs so they can get better treatment from God? Are they requiring their employees to belittle gays/lesbians during phone calls? Are they cheating their employees out of their wages? Don't think so. Yes, I agree that "sin" taxes tend to exploit the underprivileged but don't see the correlation to openly lying to the elderly and others to try to cheat them out of their funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 InfoCision will be thrilled to be categorized with smoking and gambling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendofzippy Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Does this help you understand? In that same article, it also shows that by age, smoking declines. So is a teenager working at McDonald's who happens to smoke really "poor"? Impossible to tell without knowing more facts. I had a low salary for a while, but I wasn't poor. Your income tends to rise as you age, when smoking is also decreasing. So the article almost argues against itself. The original point was that sin taxes unfairly affect the poor. It's not true. The larger issue would be why do they even exist. Billionaire owners, billion-dollar franchises, and we're subsidizing the stadiums. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 There is a big stadium and an arena in downtown Cleveland. They were paid for by a sin tax...a tax on alcohol and cigarettes. What society segment consumes the greatest amount of alcohol and cigarettes? The poor. I look outside the doorway of my Company and I see 10 hourly Production workers for every 1 salary employee taking a smoke break. Our schools are funded by the state lottery. Who plays the lottery? Predominately, the poor. Scamming the poor and stupid is the foundation of our society. It builds our stadiums and educates our kids. InfoCision Corp is no worse than any city or state government. To the poor and stupid I say - Thanks for the stadium. No schools are not 'funded' by the lottery. Would that they were there would be no need for school levies now would there?That was a scam that was perpetrated back when I was young. And, if the best you can do is to try to rationalize that Infocision is no worse than 'any city or state government' I sure as hell wouldn't want to hold myself up as some sort of positive icon. But, maybe thats what you do. Lowest common denominator is pretty easy. And before all of the mensas jump and tell us all what we already know, I realize that school do receive funding from lottery proceeds. Unfortunately, it has never been sufficient to keepeven the conservative Ohio Supreme Court from declaring the system for school funding unconstitutional. So please all you rich folks go out and buy more lottery tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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