Dr Z Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Does Vegas lay odds on this appointment? I could make a lot of money! No, but don't let that stop you. Zipmeister might still take some action (from Aug 2013)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 No quantification was included in my previous post, but I would be willing to bet you my $100 against your $10 that Tressel is NOT the next President of UA. Care to put your money where your mouth is? Hey Zipmeister, are you still willing to take that bet? My kid needs a new pair of shoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance99 Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Short term Tressel would seem like a good replacement. But, what happens when he decides to return to coaching? What if we need someone to replace Bowden in a few years? What happens when people "forget" about him. Is he experienced enough? We need higher enrollment and continued campus developments. If anything he can definitely get students interested in UA...If he becomes President(which I am against) there is no way he goes back to coaching. The University would put a cluase against that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 As I mentioned before, Tressel for president will be an absolute disaster for the university. I was visiting Akron last week (before the tournament) and I met with multiple professors who said that they will leave the university if it happens. I don't know how much that means to you, but keep in mind that this is an Academic institution first. Athletics come next.I hope and pray that the search committee is smarter than taking such a stupid move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Did you even look at the list? Who else on there would you want?And if some professors leave because Tressel is hired, I will rejoice. Anybody throwing a hissy-fit like that shouldn't be tasked with educating at a college level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Did you even look at the list? Who else on there would you want?I am very impressed that you know everybody and their qualifications to discount them at this juncture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'm not going to act like I know anything about finding a president. But I think our professors should be a tad more open minded and consider that the committee considered every last detail. At least I hope they consider everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I hope those guys have another job already lined up somewhere else. It is a tough job market out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 The attitude that college presidents should all come from the ranks of educator lifers with doctorates seems to be common among professors. That attitude also exists in business. I spent part of my working career in the automotive industry, where the old-school guys adamantly believed that all top executives should come from the ranks of automotive lifers. When an executive from outside the automotive world was brought in to fill a high position, talk around the water cooler was that all the lower executives were going to revolt and show the outsider he didn't belong. I don't recall anyone actually leaving, and when the outsider started making improvements and proved himself worthy, everyone stopped talking about it after a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Did you even look at the list? Who else on there would you want?And if some professors leave because Tressel is hired, I will rejoice. Anybody throwing a hissy-fit like that shouldn't be tasked with educating at a college level.Really, Zach?!!! Why don't you tell me what makes you want Tressel for the job? What did he do other than coach Football? ... and Cheat while doing it!Can some one name a research university with a president who doesn't hold a Ph. D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 World-renowned faculty and more than 400 research laboratories put Purdue University among the leading research institutions.Current President: Mitchell E. Daniels, Jr., career politician with a law degree and no PhD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 DiG As if Daniels contributed to the success. Because you know, as well as I do, that Mitch Daniels was not the president that build Purdue into the research powerhouse that it is. Former governor of Indiana, as well as a former director of management and budget under President Bush. He left the governorship and...immediately became President of Purdue. Purdue credits Daniels' predecessor astrophysicist Dr. France Anne Cordova as getting Purdue to national leading levels of academic rankings, research funding and student retention. Daniels seems to be more of a political play on part of Purdue because they already have the funding and academic success left by Dr. Cordova.UA doesn't need to play the political game (we'll lose...OSU will win everytime) in interstate politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Ok Dave you got me there. I should have asked to find a president without a doctoral degree...in any field, not particularly a doctorate of philosophy (ph. d).So MD, Pharm. D, Ed. D, J.D (which president Daniels has) don't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance99 Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 For me, it is at least have something education-wise to bring to the table(via time doing it. I am all for going outside the box). However, why hire someone with no school experience unless you KNOW that he will suceed?If it came all the way down to that, I would rather have someone in-house, of even Gordon Gee, and I cannot even believe I am throwing out that name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 @Balsy, I think you misunderstood. There was a question about any research university having a president without a PhD. I merely copied a description from Purdue's website that showed they are a respected research university and added the name and background of their non-PhD president. I'll go back and put that part in quotes for clarity. No editorial comment was intended. There are other examples out there but Purdue was the first to come to my mind.@Ada Zip, there's no question that non-doctorate university presidents represent a small minority. But that doesn't mean they're not qualified. It's just a gradual change that's slowly worked its way into higher education over the decades. Every time we have this discussion I go out on the internet and find different stories about non-doctorate college presidents. I found a new one again this time, so enjoy reading this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Not going to get into this too much, because people have opinions/agendas that aren't going to change no matter the points that are brought up, but why do you have to have "education experience" to be a successful President? To me, being a President has more to do with leadership qualities than anything.BTW Balzy- when reading you explain the Purdue situation, I couldn't help of think of our very own University. As for the funding, not going to buy that we will lose out to OSU everytime. We would have the guy nicknamed "The Senator" running things and people aren't going to ignore him. The Cleveland-Akron-Canton area is the most populated in the state. The public universities in the region will not be ignored. Start with concentrating on being the dominate one in the region (maybe already are) and go from there. It's not like UA is some podunk school with 3k enrollment. We have the numbers that warrant attention and have potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 ... However, why hire someone with no school experience unless you KNOW that he will suceed? ...You NEVER know for sure if anyone is going to succeed to the highest expectations. With Jim Tressel, there's been an opportunity over the past 2 years for UA decision-makers to observe him up close in a position of high responsibility. We sit back and speculate on how well he's done. Those who are close to the situation and monitor his performance on a daily basis know better than anyone how well he's performed in the responsibilities he's been given. The only question I ever see on this forum about how well he's performed is how much money he's raised for a new basketball arena. Think Bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 @LZip Actually, when you put it that way, I could buy into that explanation of JT's job. I guess I have a lingering concern that remains however, when seeking outside recognition of the University and the state of Ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Akron posted the applications of all 19 candidates. @JimTressel5's application is here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Jim Tressel's application is an interesting read. He suggests himself as interim president for a 2-year period prior to a permanent new president taking over. He backs it up with many good reasons for such a move. It's not clear if he considers himself a candidate to be the new permanent president after serving 2 years as interim president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Yeah I was gonna say, everyone might be worrying about something that isn't really necessary to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 .... application is here.Interesting choice on the format Gutenberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I've sent a friend of mine who is a professor at Univ. of Southern California an e-mail with the link to all the candidates. I'm not sure what to make of the list of candidates. To me it seems as if it is a weak list of candidates, but I don't know if this is normal for a MAClike school or not. My friend is a midwest guy who understands MAC schools and the challenges they face.In terms of Tressels resume, it's long and lacking real substance which in the crazy world we live in might make him the perfect candidate. I can't tell if he is applying for President at UofA, school master at a pre-school or a football coaching position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Not surprised that his application doesn't say much. What's he going to tell the Trustees that they don't already know about him? Unlike most of the candidates, he's already been vetted and they already know how he operates and what his philosophy and vision are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Below is my friends response. My question centered around whether or not this is what the resumes of candidates applying at Akron would look like."At first glance, yes. I only see one Dean, and it is CSULA. I don't see any high powered academic fundraisers either. Unless there is an inside story here with one or a couple of the candidates, it seems like they are shooting low." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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