akronzips71 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Look, if Tree is found guilty of the worst, we will be unanimous in wanting to show him the door. If after a thorough investigation things turn out to be not as bad as initial reports make it look, there may be some disagreement on the best way to deal with it. But the best way to deal with it right now is for everyone to avoid rushing to conclusions based on imagined assumptions in the absence of all the facts. Let's all support Tree's right to a fair hearing and hope for the best for all parties involved.I ran out of my positive quote quota for today, but THIS is what I have been saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 akronzips71, I'll stick my neck out there with you. Nothing good happens at 4AM; unless you are the kid getting ready to deliver to deliver my newspaper. There are so little facts that we know, it is impossible to know what happened. Apparently the AD got enough info from the police to suspend Tree. I just hope the AD used good judgment, and didn't just react impulsively. We may learn that everyone involved have decided to allow the incident to be handled internally. Keeping it in the "family" could be the best for everyone involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 akronzips71, I'll stick my neck out there with you. Nothing good happens at 4AM; unless you are the kid getting ready to deliver to deliver my newspaper. There are so little facts that we know, it is impossible to know what happened. Apparently the AD got enough info from the police to suspend Tree. I just hope the AD used good judgment, and didn't just react impulsively. We may learn that everyone involved have decided to allow the incident to be handled internally. Keeping it in the "family" could be the best for everyone involved.When I went to Akron we had May Day with the floats and the Frats and Sororities getting together late into the night. I know that stuff happened at 4 AM but I really have no idea what!But seriously, unless there is really something serious out there (which I question since an arrest would have been made, even in liberal NY) I wonder why they felt the need to suspend him and issue a press release on a Sunday. It just seems like jumping the gun before some impartial group has convened and he has had a chance to defend his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 . . .AND THE VIDEO FEED SUCKS!Hopefully, that made you smile at least a little, 71. Calm down or you're going to have a coronary, dude.Thank you for the laugh, and on Friday it did not suck LOL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Yes, it goes both ways. No one should put their hands on someone else.No one has been arrested, does that tell you anything?And it seems that it may NOT have been a case of DVSo who is making all the assumptions.Stop throwing him under the bus without knowing the facts.When the facts come out, I may be the first to say he is wrong get rid of him.But we are NOT there yet.You will feel as dumb as you sound when the facts do come out, trust me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 You will feel as dumb as you sound when the facts do come out, trust me.Oh great enlightened one of the 22 post count, please tell us what you know and we don't. At this point, nothing about this is confidential, so go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 One thing that even someone familiar with the law might not fully understand is exactly how accusations of certain violations of the student code of conduct are handled at UA, especially as it applies to student-athletes. It may be that there is a standard operating procedure in place if a student is accused of a specific transgression against another, and it may be different if one or both are scholarship athletes. It's possible that if a student-athlete on scholarship is accused of certain things that there may be an automatic suspension from athletic activities while the accusation is being investigated. If that's the case, then the best we can hope for is that the investigation is performed in both a thorough and timely manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I am done with this program. Things Dambrot has done(or not done) with recruiting, coaching, and mentoring student athletes, are just repetitive and annoying. The list just keeps growing and growing on suspensions in this program. Then on the court, the student athletes hardly get better in their careers. When he recruits them, they basically are the player they are when they arrive and when they graduate(or transfer, go to jail, etc).With all due respect, please go away then. If you aren't supporting this program when things are bad, I don't want you around when things are good again. Josh Egner, Alex Abreu, Quincy Diggs, Nick Harney, and Demetrius Treadwell - five players in eleven seasons (and Diggs returned matured and humbled and graduated from UA, so really four). If you want to focus on those four guys and ignore Nate Linhart, Brian Walsh, Dru Joyce, Nick Dials, Zeke Marshall, etc. - and current guys like Jake Kretzer, Noah Robotham, Reggie McAdams, Antino Jackson, etc - that's your choice. If you want to believe these guys aren't better when they leave than when they arrive, you are entitled to that opinion, although I strongly disagree. Every program in America is going to have disciplinary and/or legal issues pop up. My concern is how the university and program respond, and ours do so in a swift and stern matter. I hope you're just upset and you reconsider, but if not, best wishes to you finding a new program to follow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 You keep throwing this "he hasn't been charged" crap out. Was Ray Rice ever charged by his wife?You do realize many athletes are friends with one another? Especially the men's and women's bball players. They go out together. Sina, and the whole women's team for that matter are a great group of girls. The last thing she/they want to do is make something out of this if they don't have to. Its apparent they had to, so I know about all that I need to know to reach a conclusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 And Deadspin picked it up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Ray Rice is a professional athlete with a specific contract that requires certain things in order to be paid a ton of money. And he has a union to back him up and it ain't over till it's over.In this case you have stated NO facts. Just that they "must have" "because".How would like to be treated like that.I am saying do not throw him under the bus until he has a chance to defend himself. When all the facts come out you may have a different attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Some people in here need to realize that when you are representing a university you can't compare the common man/women to them as their actions affect more than just them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 ... I know about all that I need to know to reach a conclusion.Who needs no steenkin' hearings or courts or any manner of due process as long as LZip is the master of the tea leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Who needs no steenkin' hearings or courts or any manner of due process as long as LZip is the master of the tea leaves.Once again I am all out of LIKES for today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Who needs no steenkin' hearings or courts or any manner of due process as long as LZip is the master of the tea leaves.I'd be happy to be wrong. Well not really, because that would mean another Zips athlete would be in the wrong. Just a sad situation all around.Just posting my opinion based on my knowledge of the parties involved. I have only great things to say with my interactions with Tree. I think he is a good person who has made some mistakes (especially with alcohol consumption). Truly wish the best for him. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion based on what we currently know.The same things were said to me during the Abreu and Diggs situations and we both know how that turned out. Maybe we should stop being apologists and realize allegations charges/police reports don't happen for no reason. Nobody is out to get any Akron program contrary to popular belief. I don't form opinions out of thin air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Oh great enlightened one of the 22 post count, please tell us what you know and we don't. At this point, nothing about this is confidential, so go for it.Sportsjunkie300 may have only 22 posts, but you can always rely on him (or her) to show up any time a Zips men's basketball player gets in trouble, claim he knows more than anyone imagines and proceed to trash the way the program is run. He was here to question Nick when Nick was having problems, he was here to question Q when Q was having problems, and he was even here when Chauncey had a very minor problem. If a Zips men's basketball player is having any kind of problem, you can always rely on Sportsjunkie300 to show up and try to rub it in. Haven't quite figured out yet what the motive is. But it's well known there are people at UA who want the Zips men's basketball program to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 You keep throwing this "he hasn't been charged" crap out. Was Ray Rice ever charged by his wife?No, because the state charges individuals on behalf of the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Sportsjunkie300 may have only 22 posts, but you can always rely on him (or her) to show up any time a Zips men's basketball player gets in trouble, claim he knows more than anyone imagines and proceed to trash the way the program is run. He was here to question Nick when Nick was having problems, he was here to question Q when Q was having problems, and he was even here when Chauncey had a very minor problem. If a Zips men's basketball player is having any kind of problem, you can always rely on Sportsjunkie300 to show up and try to rub it in. Haven't quite figured out yet what the motive is. But it's well known there are people at UA who want the Zips men's basketball program to fail.We really have to do something about the limited number of daily likes here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 No, because the state charges individuals on behalf of the public.That is correct. But it rarely happens if the victim chooses not to cooperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Sportsjunkie300 may have only 22 posts, but you can always rely on him (or her) to show up any time a Zips men's basketball player gets in trouble, claim he knows more than anyone imagines and proceed to trash the way the program is run. He was here to question Nick when Nick was having problems, he was here to question Q when Q was having problems, and he was even here when Chauncey had a very minor problem. If a Zips men's basketball player is having any kind of problem, you can always rely on Sportsjunkie300 to show up and try to rub it in. Haven't quite figured out yet what the motive is. But it's well known there are people at UA who want the Zips men's basketball program to fail.How do you know Sportsjunkie330 is at UA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'd be happy to be wrong. Well not really, because that would mean another Zips athlete would be in the wrong. Just a sad situation all around.Just posting my opinion based on my knowledge of the parties involved. I have only great things to say with my interactions with Tree. I think he is a good person who has made some mistakes (especially with alcohol consumption). Truly wish the best for him. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion based on what we currently know.The same things were said to me during the Abreu and Diggs situations and we both know how that turned out. Maybe we should stop being apologists and realize allegations charges/police reports don't happen for no reason. Nobody is out to get any Akron program contrary to popular belief. I don't form opinions out of thin air.Actually, police reports OFTEN happen for no good reason.That is why the Constitution guarantees you the right to a trial by a jury of your peers and due process.So for all those who's feathers I have ruffled, I am merely saying NOT to jump to conclusions and give Tree due process and the benefit of the doubt. In the end, all will come out, and I may be totally wrong. And will say so.But this looks like a rush to judgement. Whatever was reported to the Police, they did not make an arrest (yet), which in my experience turns this into a defense lawyers wet dream.If the Police at the scene did not think it serious enough to make an arrest, well you do the math.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Sportsjunkie300 may have only 22 posts, but you can always rely on him (or her) to show up any time a Zips men's basketball player gets in trouble, claim he knows more than anyone imagines and proceed to trash the way the program is run. He was here to question Nick when Nick was having problems, he was here to question Q when Q was having problems, and he was even here when Chauncey had a very minor problem. If a Zips men's basketball player is having any kind of problem, you can always rely on Sportsjunkie300 to show up and try to rub it in. Haven't quite figured out yet what the motive is. But it's well known there are people at UA who want the Zips men's basketball program to fail.I absolutely do not want the program to fail. Lets see: Q beat up his GF and was kicked out of school and he came back.... Nick was failing drug test after drug test and was kept around.... KD was fighting and fighting to allow Alex to be allowed to come back to the program.... I never said anything negative about Tree. All that I said was that Akronzip71 will probably not defend Tree when the facts come out. As a fan and supporter, am I out of line to question some of the decisions that they've made to keep (or try to keep) players around that have been in trouble? Sorry if I am not a 2,000+ poster who defends everything that they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I absolutely do not want the program to fail. As a fan and supporter, am I out of line to question some of the decisions that they've made to keep (or try to keep) players around that have been in trouble? Sorry if I am not a 2,000+ poster who defends everything that they do.Can we please have your top secret information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 How do you know Sportsjunkie330 is at UA?I don't. Could be a troll from another school trashing the Zips men's basketball program. Could also be a true Zips fan who's just so focused on the negatives that they ignore all the positives and only post when something's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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