ROCK1 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 5 hours ago, bigzipguy said: If I recall correctly, The BIG 12 does not play Men's soccer, That is why when West Virginia made the transition from the Big East, they had to join the MAC (in soccer only) Why should the MAC do these schools (WV etc.) a favor because they want to go to a bigger conference. If they want to pay us $1M per year,OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) On 7/21/2016 at 5:09 PM, ZachTheZip said: The 27-month notice thing isn't enforceable beyond a fine for breaking the contract. Besides, Any team moving to the Big 12 would see a revenue boost higher than the penalty in their very first year in the conference. A one-time $12 million penalty won't deter anybody when you're talking about getting over $20 million more than you currently make, annually. As I understand it, the new members won't be getting a big revenue boost in the first year(s), it will take several years of graduated increases until they are on par with the others. The B12 could make them accept no revenue or even make them pay a big entry fee and they would still want in to be P5. Edited July 23, 2016 by ZippyRulz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadszip Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) 20 hours ago, ZippyRulz said: As I understand it, the new members won't be getting a big revenue boost in the first year(s), it will take several years of graduated increases until they are on par with the others. The B12 could make them accept no revenue or even make them pay a big entry fee and they would still want in to be P5. I read that the newcomers may never become fully vested (financially) into the league. Unequal splitting of revenue is how the Big 12 operated from its inception until it nearly fell apart with the defections of Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri and Colorado, which was partly due to the unequal revenue sharing ... though I believe Nebraska was the second highest paid member, so the reason for moving wasn't simply due to uneven revenue splits. But this would be completely different as long as the 10 legacy teams get an equal split of the Tier 1 and 2 TV money/bowl payouts, etc. Those schools would get more money if four schools are added to increase the total payout as long as the new schools are taking a lower split of the pie as to not lower the legacies' payouts. At the same time, there is no doubt schools like Cincinnati, Memphis, Connecticut, Central Florida, Boise, etc. would still jump aboard since even if they are, for example, taking 50 percent of what the legacy members are taking. It still would be a pay bump despite the travel increase, and the Big 12 is the only path left to the P5 since ESPN gave the ACC a lifeboat in terms of the ACC Network (which I don't see how it turns a profit, but that's another topic). And the P5 status is the overriding factor in this, even though I don't think adding any four non P5 schools will settle the Big 12 in the longterm, but it buys them six more years until the Big 10 is back open for TV renegotiation. To me, this is simply a move to try brace for when Texas and Oklahoma eventually leave for greener pastures and hope to build up some more products to maintain a P5 setup once those schools leave. Houston and BYU are interesting to watch. BYU has said it would join for football only. Will the Big 12 go down that road for a religious school not named Notre Dame? Houston seems like a no-brainer (and has turned itself into a P5 caliber school). But there is pushback from the Texas members to not add them (and I don't blame them for that). Also, would Houston accept a lower longterm payout or would it roll the dice and stay in the AAC and wait for maybe an SEC (or longer shot Big 10 offer)? If Tom Herman sticks around and the basketball program continues to get better, you are talking about a legitimate sleeping national-level giant considering it's in a top 10 market and a recruiting hotbed for both football and basketball. There are very few markets that could stake a claim on being top 10 areas for recruiting in both sports, Houston may be No. 2 behind L.A. Edited July 24, 2016 by wadszip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadszip Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 21 hours ago, ROCK1 said: Why should the MAC do these schools (WV etc.) a favor because they want to go to a bigger conference. If they want to pay us $1M per year,OK. An NCAA-sanctioned conference has to have six members. Only five full-time MAC schools offer men's soccer, so a sixth is needed. West Virginia is now that sixth school, replacing Hartwick, a small, 1,500-student school in upstate NY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 The B12 should just make a list of the schools they could tolerate as new members and let them bid for spots. Memphis has FedEx corporate money backing, Cincinnati has a $1B+ endowment they can tap, BYU has the Mormon Church, UConn could hit up ESPN.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morris buttermaker Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 On July 20, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Ham said: This might be the time for the MAC to expand. Right now, I think making the MAC a better conference would be our best option. Expand.. perhaps.... but the MAC should drop to FCS in football--- that's the first move the conference should make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 3 hours ago, morris buttermaker said: Expand.. perhaps.... but the MAC should drop to FCS in football--- that's the first move the conference should make How will that help the MAC and it's football members? Saving 22 scholarships is a wash when you compare it to the loss of TV money and exposure. Probably worse... What benefit is 1-AA football to Toledo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Nothing makes me more furious than people talking about Akron or the MAC dropping down to FCS. Especially after a fun year in which the Zips actually won a bowl game. Why would we NEVER want to experience that again? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morris buttermaker Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Captain Kangaroo said: How will that help the MAC and it's football members? Saving 22 scholarships is a wash when you compare it to the loss of TV money and exposure. Probably worse... What benefit is 1-AA football to Toledo? Many FCS schools operate at about $5 million... I think Akron is around $8?... TV brings in aprox $850,000 per school.... But lets leave any further talk to the football forum--- sorry for the football detour here Edited July 26, 2016 by morris buttermaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 2 hours ago, morris buttermaker said: Many FCS schools operate at about $5 million... I think Akron is around $8?... TV brings in aprox $850,000 per school.... But lets leave any further talk to the football forum--- sorry for the football detour here In addition to that TV money, we would also be forfeiting the annual $1 million game/year cash grab, sponsors would pay less, we couldn't charge as much for premium seating, and we would lose out on publicity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) Apparently the Big12 is talking with 17 schools about expansion. ESPN mentioned: Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, South Florida, UCF, UConn, Memphis, Colorado State, Boise State, Tulane, Temple, East Carolina, SMU and New Mexico. Although I don't think UA has any intentions of leaving the MAC, some spots should open up in the AAC. Edited August 12, 2016 by akzipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 20 minutes ago, akzipper said: ....some spots should open up in the AAC. Hopefully EMU and KSU will join, then maybe we could get Marshall and UCF back. #MACtion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 1 hour ago, akzipper said: Apparently the Big12 is talking with 17 schools about expansion. There is one MAC school on their list. NIU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 2 hours ago, akzipper said: Apparently the Big12 is talking with 17 schools about expansion. ESPN mentioned: Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, South Florida, UCF, UConn, Memphis, Colorado State, Boise State, Tulane, Temple, East Carolina, SMU and New Mexico. Although I don't think UA has any intentions of leaving the MAC, some spots should open up in the AAC. If the Big XII takes 5 teams off that list, they might as well be the AAC. This makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 It's being reported that the Big 12 will only be taking 2 teams if it decides to expand. Having 17 schools interview for 2 spots seems a tad excessive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 3 hours ago, MDZip said: There is one MAC school on their list. NIU. At least one MAC school cares about improving themselves. Even though it's a long shot, at least they are showing they are sick of a mediocre conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 On 8/12/2016 at 11:11 AM, MDZip said: There is one MAC school on their list. NIU. Big 12 cut down their expansion list - we're keeping NIU :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) Hard to believe the B12 passed on the Greater Dekalb Metro TV market Edited September 1, 2016 by ZippyRulz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 46 minutes ago, MDZip said: Big 12 cut down their expansion list - we're keeping NIU :-) Unless/until the AAC takes them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1982 Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 1 hour ago, ZippyRulz said: Unless/until the AAC takes them. If Northern Illinois would leave for the AAC what school would you like the MAC to go after? I would prefer Northern Iowa (sounds like they may be ready to jump up in FB) but I can't think of others I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Steve1982 said: If Northern Illinois would leave for the AAC what school would you like the MAC to go after? I would prefer Northern Iowa (sounds like they may be ready to jump up in FB) but I can't think of others I like. I'd first look into the feasibility of stealing Marshall or WKU from C-USA. If that wouldn't work, my next option would be to see if Wichita State is serious about starting a football program and see if they would be willing to join the MAC (all sports). If all else fails, I'd look at JMU as they have an eagerness to make the jump, they have a MAC athletic budget, and they already have the FBS facilities in place. Edited September 1, 2016 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 October trips to the Shenandoah valley make JMU my top choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) NDSU. Quality mid major basketball program, great fan following, and would probably come in and be a contender football wise in the MAC immediately. They also play in a dome... Do agree that Marshall of WKU would be my first choice, though. Edited September 1, 2016 by LZIp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1982 Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Marshall has had enough chances, I do like WKU though. Northern Iowa also has a dome, brings a quality basketball program, wrestles in the MAC currently and is a lot closer than NDSU. I don't see what NDSU brings that UNI doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Try to steal MTSU for good football, hoops and Nashville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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