JordanH Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 I'm not even sure it has been played yet but has anyone heard anything? Detroit should be a nice test, they've got some talent and should compete in the Horizon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 It's certainly a secret if someone on ZNO knows about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 I never made it over there because I was too busy celebrating the football victory in the parking lot But, someone who was there told us, "It's going to be a rough year, and we just don't have the players to do anything about it" That was their option, and I am just repeating it. And I have no agenda by stating that. I'm neither a Groce fanatic, or a Dambrot hater. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 I recall hearing about a secret scrimmage from last year against Michigan that supposedly foretold greatness. Then the Zips promptly lost to YSU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, NWAkron said: I recall hearing about a secret scrimmage from last year against Michigan that supposedly foretold greatness. Then the Zips promptly lost to YSU. This is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 32 minutes ago, NWAkron said: I recall hearing about a secret scrimmage from last year against Michigan that supposedly foretold greatness. Then the Zips promptly lost to YSU. ........but then went on to win 27 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 hour ago, skip-zip said: ........but then went on to win 27 games. We did? I guess when we don't win 20 games this year you will remind us again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 No, I just told you that because you were using only the first game's performance as an example that a good scrimmage performance must have been a farce. If so, you conveniently skipped the 27 wins and winning the MAC title by 2 games. So in that case, the good scrimmage really was a precursor of a very successful season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 We should lose to YSU every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 19 hours ago, skip-zip said: No, I just told you that because you were using only the first game's performance as an example that a good scrimmage performance must have been a farce. If so, you conveniently skipped the 27 wins and winning the MAC title by 2 games. So in that case, the good scrimmage really was a precursor of a very successful season. OMG...do you have to pick apart everyone's posts and "correct" them in order for you to make the same point over and over again. Yes...you think last season was very successful. I disagree. Very successful TO ME (not you) would mean a NCAA bid and not a blow out loss to UT Arlington in the NIT. Now I will wait for you to tell me how wrong I am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 So....After trying to use only the first game of the season as an example that a good scrimmage performance was not an indication of the good season that was forthcoming, now you want to try to use only the last game to mock the success of the season? You're making progress by only ignoring the other 34 games now. And we won 27 of them. And for the record, that bad loss to UT Arlington, that you highlight exclusively, was in the 2nd round. We advanced to that game by defeating #2 seeded Houston, on the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, NWAkron said: OMG...do you have to pick apart everyone's posts and "correct" them in order for you to make the same point over and over again. Yes...you think last season was very successful. I disagree. Very successful TO ME (not you) would mean a NCAA bid and not a blow out loss to UT Arlington in the NIT. Now I will wait for you to tell me how wrong I am Did that answer your question? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 hours ago, NWAkron said: OMG...do you have to pick apart everyone's posts and "correct" them in order for you to make the same point over and over again. Yes...you think last season was very successful. I disagree. Very successful TO ME (not you) would mean a NCAA bid and not a blow out loss to UT Arlington in the NIT. Now I will wait for you to tell me how wrong I am If you think last season was a failure, I'd hate to see what you think of this season once it's ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyYo Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, ZachTheZip said: If you think last season was a failure, I'd hate to see what you think of this season once it's ended. This season won't be a failure, but rather a rebuilding year for future success. Although, at many times it will probably feel like a failure. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Success and failure depends on what the expectations are. Last year we expected an NCAA berth. This season, I don't think that's the expectation 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Not surprisingly, this conversation about the value of a scrimmage performance will probably now morph into a debate over the definition of "a successful season". But let me remind everyone on all sides of this issue that for everyone on this board who insists that an NCAA Birth is all that matters, there have been at least an equal amount who were unsatisfied that we didn't "make a run" in the NCAA Tournament. And many of those were surely the same people. We even notably had one poster who proclaimed at the beginning of a season that we expected Sweet 16, or the season would be a disappointment. So here's how I predict the conversations will probably go on this board over the next few years. Season One: A debate over how far we've fallen from the success we've had over the last 12 years. Season Two: A debate over how long it's going to take us to get back to that level again. Season Three: A debate over whether we're even recruiting the right talent, and have the right people running the program to get us to that level again. At least 3 "we need a new coach" responses will soon follow. Maybe we should just start the conversation threads right now. Edited October 30, 2017 by skip-zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Any word on the scrimmage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, zippy5 said: Any word on the scrimmage? I posted that on Saturday night. See above. But thanks for getting this conversation back to where it started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Last season felt a lot like the Indian's season this year. Great regular season, followed by 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I'm not going to go as far to say last season was a complete failure. I hate the if you're not 1st, your last mentality. I'd give last season a B. We fell short of what I expected, but still had a pretty good season overall. Had we not got run off the court against UTA i'd probably of given it a B+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 37 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: I'm not going to go as far to say last season was a complete failure. I hate the if you're not 1st, your last mentality. I'd give last season a B. We fell short of what I expected, but still had a pretty good season overall. Had we not got run off the court against UTA i'd probably of given it a B+. The grades were looking great. Quiz grades all A's...top credit for class participation...and then...they took a big $h!+ on the final exam (at Quicken). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipnetter55 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 skip hit it on the nose. successful season is winning the MAC and getting a bid to the NCAA or the NIT. Be realistic in your goals. We have a high school gym, a limited budget and nothing to attract top talent. We are a mid-major, but unlike Creighton, Butler, Marquette and Villanova, much of our athletic budget is eaten up by football,while all of the above schools either don't have football or are not competing in Division 1 football. Makes a huge difference. Many of those schools have 10-12,000 seat arenas and pack in the crowds- they are not competing with the Browns and Cavs and don't have the albatross of IInfocision weighing down the athletic budget, so get realistic in your expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 So a team with only one returning starter, a new coach, and a bunch of other guys who have never played together didn't look that good in their first scrimmage. And everyone has decided we will have a horrible season based on this? Probably the same guys who wanted to fire Bowden (who is probably on the way to another bowl game and has a good shot to take the MAC East). Oh well. WE ARE AKRON. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 12 hours ago, zipnetter55 said: skip hit it on the nose. successful season is winning the MAC and getting a bid to the NCAA or the NIT. Be realistic in your goals. We have a high school gym, a limited budget and nothing to attract top talent. We are a mid-major, but unlike Creighton, Butler, Marquette and Villanova, much of our athletic budget is eaten up by football,while all of the above schools either don't have football or are not competing in Division 1 football. Makes a huge difference. Many of those schools have 10-12,000 seat arenas and pack in the crowds- they are not competing with the Browns and Cavs and don't have the albatross of IInfocision weighing down the athletic budget, so get realistic in your expectations. Thank you. I needed someone to step in and crush all my high expectations and remind me how horrible it all is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, akronzips71 said: So a team with only one returning starter, a new coach, and a bunch of other guys who have never played together didn't look that good in their first scrimmage. And everyone has decided we will have a horrible season based on this? I'd think that any MAC team under those circumstances is going to be picked to finish low in their division, Maybe the MAC coaches and media members were even being kind, and giving us some credit for past success, by only pushing us down to the 4th place spot in the East. Maybe we'll make lemonade out of lemons. But, predictions are predictions. And they are going to base them on what they see right now. I think it's probably even a testament to our recent success that people are actually calling a 10-15 win season a "horrible season". It demonstrates what we've grown to expect from our basketball program. I'm sure there's MAC teams that will be happy to win that many games this year. Not Akron. And I think that's a good thing (as Forrest Gump would say). Edited October 31, 2017 by skip-zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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