Buckzip

Like all things Big Ten, the past is greater than the present. The game is now an opening act for more important games. But sadly, as I mentioned earlier, most of those fans are ingrained from birth with beliefs that aren't supported by fact, and will probably continue to lash out and maintain their position, regardless of what data you present to them, for as long as college football exists on this planet. Like I said, today you are absolutely correct. However, I beleive in the years to come that changes again. UM will be back on top. Have you seen their recruiting class of verbals so far? Yikes. Try and Google the top CFB rivalries and see what you come up with. You are confusing a rivalry with a big game. The biggest rivalries don't always have the biggest game of the day. Hell, Army/Navy, is a huge rivalry, yet I doubt many watch it compared to the other games.

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This stuff reminds me of Akron Obsessed back in the Lee Owens days. That poster magically vanished when Owens left. LOL

Why do you say that? What ignorance is showing in this thread? I expected to see OSU/UM. It's billed as "The Game". I expected to see UT/OU. I mean after all, Texas is the 800 pound gorilla in the state with the 2nd largest population. I sure as hell didn't expect to see Oregon/Arizona in there. I knew the SEC was popular, but I thought there would be some other conferences represented. I figured OSU/Wisky would be a potential top tenner. But I guess that shows his little I know about CFB. I am sure you could rattle off the list before you even saw it.Not aimed at you keener...The ignorance that the typical 2 has to bring up OSU in a thread that wasn't about them just looking for something to bash and show their SPS. Then having to further dig at them for no reason.The ignorance that they used a 1 day snapshot as an example to try to prove their false point. The ignorance in not knowing that OSU-UM is considered one of the biggest, if not, biggest rivalries in all of CFB. The last few years UM has sucked so it hasn't drawn as much national appeal.Again, I just laugh at these guys because they try so hard and always fail...I find it amusing that anyone can be so butthurt yet keep making themselves look foolish while denying it.This board is for entertainment and these guys provide it with their schtick.

Threads like this make me LOL.It shows how little some people know about CFB..

Frisman Jackson is the WR coach and he also had a recent NFL career. It didn't seem to help him that much.

Sophomore QB and his first season as a starter. It's a bit early to give up on him.

I don't have the stats, but can anyone tell me if this is actually that abnormal? If you include redshirt freshmen, freshmen, sophomores, juniors and seniors, that's five classes. If you average it out, you would expect one-fifth, or 20%, of your roster to be from each class. That would mean 60% would be made up of RF, F and S. 46 of 76 is 60.5%--sounds pretty close to expected. If the percentage was weighted to the juniors and seniors, then it would be weighted to the lower side in the following years. This stat is meaningless to me.Your basic conclusion is correct, but I believe is based upon faulty reasoning. Because redshirt FR and FR come from the same recruiting class, (there are really only four classes and) they would make up approximately 40% of a roster for a team that retained all members of each recruiting class. Some attrition occurs over the four or five year college experience because of health, academic, personal and other reasons, and the attrition rate is a positive function of tenure, so if redshirt FR and FR account for over 40% of a roster this would not be unusual. For (a roughly accurate) example assume a team signs 25 scholarships per year and loses about 10% of the players from each class each year (let's say 3 players per year). Once the roster hits a steady state, the team would be comprised of 82 members, 47 of whom would be SO, FR or redshirt FR. That's 57.3%.Freshman and rs freshman do not come from the same recruiting class. RS freshman are last years recruiting class.Technically you sould say true sophomores and rs freshman are the same class.

Let's talk about the Steelers for a bit here, because to me they serve as something of an example.You talk of NE Ohio dying for a winner, and that is why you are starting to (sadly IMO) grasp on to Pittsburgh. Now I am still a relative youngin, but I don't ever remember hearing about a time when there were as many Pittsburgh fans in NEO as there are right now. Why? Because the Browns we're out of football for a number of years, and have been pretty terrible in the 12 seasons since they returned. Meanwhile, Pittsburgh has won Superbowls and been a staple in the playoffs. People get tired of rooting for the team that consistently looses, so they decide to adopt the team that consistently wins. Classic bandwagon.Now lets revert back to OSU. The Buckeyes have consistently been a top-25 program for a number of years (if I read correctly this week is the first time in like 7 years that they aren't in the top-25). They have been regular national title contenders, and they regularly win big games. People in NE Ohio have already bandwagoned on to them as winners. It doesn't take a genius to see that. To the general population in NE Ohio college football begins and ends with the Buckeyes. Sad, but true. Now the only way that is going to change, and in turn the only way that the Zips are going to make in roads with those bandwagoner fans who are "dying for a winner" is if OSU goes through a sustained dry spell, while the Zips get hot. Let's just say, I'm not holding my breath on either of those things happening any time soon.I guess the point I am trying to make here is that while NE Ohioans are desperate for a winner, they have already found their winner when it comes to college football, and I just don't see a set of circumstances under which they are going to let go of that and meander over to the Zips. That being said, I do agree that the Zips can find their niche. I just feel that said niche is most likely as an FCS team where we can theoretically be more competitive.Your point is proven with the soccer team. Our soccer team fills the stadium and soccer isn't even close to the popularity as football. If UA ever started to consistently win the fans would flock to see this team. If we could start winning the MAC and being competitive with top 20 teams, we would start hearing the Info needs expanded. The OSU excuse is old. Many other states have multiple schools that are supported. Ohio could certainly support another winner. Especially NE Ohio. This is a hotbed for talent and for football in general. People in NE Ohio are starving for a winner.If this school ever gets it's proverbial head out of it's butt, we could be a real player in getting people to fill the Info. WE have invested in facilities, stadium and the campus. It's time to invest in the right coach and staff.Enough of these position coaches of other schools. We either need a consistent, proven winner from a smaller division or a good coordinator from a winning major program. Not a position coach. Come on Dr P get us the right coach and let's start winning.

What redshirts were burned? I only noiticed Switzer.

Toledo and Boise are both very well coached teams. Beckman is probably going to be gone very soon from Toledo. Not sure why Petersen is still at Boise. Perhaps he is one of those rare coaches that has some loyalty to his mid major school.

-1. Everything that has to do with Akron. Toledo (being in the MAC) is a great model for what Akron should build to. I wish I was a Toledo fan enjoying the game tonight. Looks like a great atmosphere. They are playing decent tonight, and played very well in Columbus. If the Columbus game was in Toledo, it would have went the other way. Toledo is better coached than Columbus. Akron & Toledo are in the same boat, and Toledo is light years ahead of the Zips. Plenty to learn.PS Hats off to Boise for playing in Toledo, much respect, they are no Columbus State. ...and they are a much better team (about 40 spots) better than CU.PSS I wish our Moore was as like their Moore. Would anybody but me notice the difference if we switched tomorrow?I disagree with just about everything you said. LOL

Nothing that has to do with Akron.

Guys wear the same number offense and defense. Cody Grice probably shares a number with the defensive guy that made the tackle.

We've hired a couple of names. Faust was one and Brookhart was sort of a name at the time. Faust produced a 7-3-1 record that still stands as the best year in the D-1A era. Faust knew what to do...the University had no idea what to do and the ship sank. Brookhart won a MAC Championship.Well Said, GP1.The saddest part of this is that in all of our years in D1, our best record is 7-3-1.At many other schools, that record gets you fired.

Tressel is an active coach?Nope. Yet he still has more than any other active coach.

Didn't we already sell out once to gain publicity by hiring a "name" coach? How did that work out?Apples and oranges. Faust was a failure at ND. Tressel has a NC at OSU, 5 total NC and has more BCS game appearances and wins than any other active coach. Faust went from high school right to the big time. Huge mistake that he never recovered from.

Tressel would bring instant Cred to the program. He is loved by most Ohio coaches and in state recruits know of him. He woud get recruits that we can't get now. I would take the baggage that would come with him to get him here. He is from NE Ohio and has coached at Akron in the past. This wouldn't be a stepping stone for him as I think he doesn't want to go big time again. He could build the Akron program and when he retires leave it in good shape.

Because they have more entertaining things to do than sit and watch a team they don't connect with practice against a bunch of scrubs.Like I said, I don't understand that at all. They need to learn to connect. When I was in school, I never missed a game and that included driving my POS Pinto to the RB.Something needs to be done. Obviously winning will cure most of this, but just getting the students to tthe game will help.Maybe a University wide extra credit for students that attend games, or something like that. Get the students there, they have a good time and want to come back.In soccer, the team connects to the fans. Even when there were only like 20 of us at the games five years ago, the players and the coaches went out of their way to thank the fans that were showing support. The players celebrate with the fans after they score, and the coaches are friendly.In football, the players isolate themselves from the rest of the student body and the coaches resent the students, even the ones who do show up. And then they wonder why they don't see any support. Ianello and the assistant coaches needs to show up to university events like the occasional student fairs held on the commons and talk to people. They need to be sociable. Even if the head coach is busy they could send out some position coaches. Same thing goes for the players: talk to your classmates. Show some pride and show the students that you're worth caring about instead of being that miserable quiet kid in the "football clique". This isn't high school anymore. The students need to be recruited by the coaches and team, just like prospects. Give them a reason to care, get them invested in the team.Seeing that I only make it back home for 1-2 games per year, that sounds very bad. You would think that the team being as bad as they are that the coach would go far out of his way to try to earn the students support. How in the hell does our AD not see the same thing that you see? Or better question is does he see it and not care?

Because they have more entertaining things to do than sit and watch a team they don't connect with practice against a bunch of scrubs.Like I said, I don't understand that at all. They need to learn to connect. When I was in school, I never missed a game and that included driving my POS Pinto to the RB.Something needs to be done. Obviously winning will cure most of this, but just getting the students to tthe game will help.Maybe a University wide extra credit for students that attend games, or something like that. Get the students there, they have a good time and want to come back.

I don't understand why more students aren't at the games. There is no more excuse of having to drive to the RB. A nice fall afternoon in a nice stadium on campus was my dream when I was in school.Yes, the team sucks, but their is no atmosphere like a college Saturday afternoon.

Another season of promise has already turned into a season of crap.Again, if we were just competitive it would be nice.

CK, looking at the depth chart, our o-line doesn't look young to me. That makes it even worse. These are the best guys..

Give me a break. Lousiville is not Akron. FIU is going down.

The other thing to consider is that there are players that want to play a certain position but would be so much better playing another. There are a lot of recruits out there that are offered by a bigger school at one position but they want to play a different position and a smaller school will allow that. I saw Devoe Torrence play a couple times and I truly thought he was an elite linebacker but merely a pretty good rb. He received bigger offers as a lb but wanted to be a rb.Ben Rothlischeeseburger was offered by some bigger schools as a TE but he wanted to be a QB. Obviously he was more correct on that call. I can mention another school, but I won't, that has offered many guys at a certain postition, but they went elsewhere where they were promised they would play the position they wanted. On many occasions when they got there they were switched back to where they didn't want to play.Look at Rossi here. He was a highly rated LB. I wonder if other schools offered him as a LB, but not a RB. Akron said he could play RB and he came here. I don't know if this is the case with him, but this happens often.