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Get ready to be ecstatic. The kid is a HS All-American. At a minimum, he should produce those numbers next year.It's not enough to just count on an extra year of maturity to move the team forward. I also don't understand why winning an NCAA game is the definition of moving forward. IMHO, what a team does during the regular season better defines how a team is progressing than one week at the end of the year. BB is a strange game where a really good team can have one bad day and lose a conference tournament game....that doesn't really define a team. I'd take going undefeated in the MAC as a strong step forward. Going undefeated or only 1 or 2 MAC loses would be a sign of a consistently good team. That's the step forward I'm looking for.

GP1 hates them out of jealousy. They get to live tax free (which is his libertarian desire). Also he knows that they are vastly superior wood craftsmen.They are running a tax free scam I would love to run.Actually, if you are ever in Amish country, look at how many trucks have North Carolina plates on them. The furniture they sell is made in NC and trucked up there unfinished. They sand the wood, finish it ONLY and they call it Amish made. It's an awesome scam.

I know this is not apples to apples, but it's close. Here is how a SB coach is handling a similar situation, this is from Sunday's post game conference: Question: Do Rashard’s fumbles make you reconsider him starting? Mike Tomlin: Not at this point no. Not at all.Good point. However, did you notice who was NOT on the field late in the game Sunday?Teams live and die with their playmakers.

Not to get too religious, but don't callings come from God. And if God calls us to a job, why is one more important than another?You shouldn't so smugly look down your nose at other people. Not everyone can spend their career documenting pay stubs of criminals.

I think they will as well. There is a good chance he could go to the NFL as a position coach and make more money than at UofA.....his last NFL offer was for more than what UofA was paying. He will also get a nice plump buy-out in the process.

I'd like to clarify. I don't think I have ever said Charlie is a terrible QB. He was a good college QB, but fell well behind the QB kings of the MAC which were Pennington, Leftwich and Roethlisberger. He just isn't a winner.Being the best QB in school history really isn't saying much. If the Browns today were the Browns in the late 1980s, Mike Johnson could have had the same career as Charlie. Just an opinion because we will never really know. The Browns back then knew what they were doing and the Browns today......even as a Steelers fan, I have to say they are just sad to watch. Charlie getting drafted by the Browns is one of the many examples of how bad that franchise is.I still think that in a league full of horrible QBs, Charlie has 3-4 years remaining in his career. His short time starting really means something. That would make a 8-9 year career which is around 3 times the average.ZipsWin! describes him best:1. Weak arm2. Struggles to read defenses........... (stupid)3. Like to run around........... (panics)

I'm usually just fine with people having their own opinions, but for some reason you just make me sick. I know I shouldn't have this reaction to a forum poster, but I can't help feeling that you have a real problem with being fair and reasonable.I don't think myself or anyone else here who hopes Charlie does well is expecting him to become Peyton Manning.But just isn't a winner?In particular seem to remember a game against Marshall where Frye displayed amazing heart. He was magic and seemed to will a win in a very hard fought game. And of course, winning MVP of the senior bowl was a fluke too, since he "just isn't a winner"I know those things are anecdotal, but I watched him play and I saw a winner.And....10-2 record his senior year of high school.7 wins and 5 loses his junior year of college.6 wins and 5 loses his senior year of college.If not for the Michigan State / Hawaii debacle, he would have led us to our first-ever D-1A bowl game.Won the MVP in leading the North to victory with an outstanding 2nd half as starter....against many soon-to-be NFL players.Sure looks like a loser to me I hate to get into the old Charlie Frye debate, but you are really grasping at straws.High school record...any kid that goes to a D-1A college should have a winning HS record. It's about what he did at UofA. 19 D-1A wins in four years is not impressive....especially in the MAC.His junior year, two of those seven wins were against 1-AA teams. Don't tell me he could have beaten another OOC D-1A team because it just didn't happen. He never beat a BCS level school and both Jacq and Getsy beat them.6-5 his senior year could have easily been 4-8 if Brett Biggs was not placed in the starting line-up.Thanks to Charlie for that bowl game he didn't get us to.MVP of an exhibition game......That's like being MVP of a pre-season football game.The list of things Charlie almost did is much longer than the list of things he did do.

There are two Amish women out digging potatoes (assume they are speaking in that Swedish accent they talk in). One of them bends over and picks up two potatoes and looks at the other and says, "Ohhh, look Anna. These potatoes look just like Eli's balls."Surprised, Anna says (in her Swedish accent), "Really, are dey dat big."The first woman responds, "No, der dat dirty."

I agree with Captain Kangaroo. All we need to do with our current schedule and being in the MAC is win 7 games a year. This isn't even asking for much. People will excuse away the BCS losing every year if they would just win the darn MAC. Going to bowl games on a regular basis would be enough to gain interest. Win the MAC every 3 years, compete for the championship every year and the town would produce good crowds. 20,000 average is not unreasonable.If we want to expect more wins than 7 every year, dump the BCS teams and beat up on some I-AA teams.Don't feel bad about the Vikings CK. I've seen many of undefeated teams come to the Steel City around the end of October only to go home with their first loss. The truth is, the Steelers needed that game much more than the Vikings did. 5-2 in all practical terms in the NFL is significantly better than 4-3. That game had one of the strangest vibes I have ever watched. Very strange game.

He also holds the record for being the only opening day QB traded the following day after opening day.Anybody can complete a lot of passes in the NFL to guys out of the backfield. The key is completing passes downfield. With a weak arm, he can't complete passes downfield. The bottom line is Charlie is not a winning QB. He didn't win in the worst conference in D-1A and he didn't win with the Browns. That's why Charlie doesn't get on the field...he just isn't a winner.

It isn't about coaches gelling, it's about players playing. Coaches come and go at our level. We need a coach and coaching staff that can take a group of talented players and turn them into winners.

You must not like Charlie very much. The last thing Charlie needs at this point in his career is to get on the field again.He is a bad NFL QB. However, his game experience, while a joke, is important in the NFL. Most third string QBs have zero playing experience. As long as he doesn't get in another game, the smaller of a chance he has of getting run out of another town. If he shows up to work every day and contributes in a back-up role, I think he could last another 3-4 years in the league. The key though is not letting anyone see how bad he is in a regular season game.I have nothing against Charlie making a great living in the NFL. It's just too bad he uses it to support Ashland University.

Aren't the chants of Charlie-Charlie-Charlie how he started his illustrious career in Cleveland? Like I always say, everything Cleveland fans want ends up blowing up in their faces. Charlie was just another example of that.

No, 40 years of hate is hard to turn off with one trip to a casino. And no, no move to Lancaster Co.....or Sugarcreek.....or Charm......or Wooster.

I've never said anything on the board about it, but I have a strange dislike for Amish people. Last week, my wife and I were in Atlantic City gambling at the Borgata and the Amish Outlaws played to a packed following at the casio bar. They were awesome. Check out the web page.

Will it happen? No, look at how the fans on this board look at the program as being "out of control" because our QB gets thrown off the team and a third string scout team player gets in a bar fight. Akron fans are stuck in the 1950s and think "we need a program we can all be proud of". College football is cleaner now than it has ever been (that's not saying much), but there is a segment of sports fans who believe the 1950s were a clean and just time in college sports. We need to get focused on winning and those things we need to do to win.

Not so dirty secret indeed. Everyone should read the book, "The Blind Side". It will be out in movie soon and is about Michael Oher of the Baltimore Ravens and his growing up in Memphis.The lengths to which Mississippi went to in order to keep this kid on the field is mind blowing. There are SEC schools out there that have a tutor attend every class with the player and then meet with the player at night to reinforce the lessons learned that day. A player may have a different tutor for each class. These tutors do not come cheap either. All are earning income from the Athletic Department for these tasks. I wish we had that kind of money.If you guys really want to get the program to the point where they are winning 9-10 games a year, these are the things they need to do. If they don't, 6-7 wins should be normal. I'd love a six win season at this point.

That's where I draw the distinction regarding the merits of JD's alleged loyalty. In my mind, loyalty to the program and the university, from the head football coach, equals a burning desire to do whatever it takes to win on the field. The best coaches aren't particularly loyal to individual players or to other coaches on their staffs. They always put the team, and team success, ahead of everything else. For all of the twisted love of "the sweater vest" in Ohio, I have absolutely no doubt that his deal with players and coaches is that he is going to play the best players every week, the players and the schemes that give that team its best chance to win are the ones who are going to see the field. Players who were all-world in high school but don't produce or don't fit the scheme don't see the field, period. So, if the implication is that JD plays certain kids, who aren't right for the scheme, or aren't as good as others kids on the roster, I call that utterly misplaced loyalty and in the context of D-1 coaching, complete nonsense. Same goes for coaches on his staff.If your allusions to loyalty by JD are about his hard-workingness, hours spent in the team offices (which UA actually has now) and general boosterism for the program, I would again argue that those hours have simply been wasted. Hopefully for him personally, he has learned enough to catch a position on a college or professional staff after this year and earn a living, but he is a failure as a head college football coach. I actually don't care how hard working a head college football coach is. If he wins games and recruits good players, I'm happy. JD may even be a complete workaholic, but we've all known workaholics who weren't particularly productive. I'm convinced that JD could sell ice to eskimos, but he is a bad college head football coach.It's time for UA to decide what it wants. After they fire JD and this entire staff, it'll be time for Proenza to do a little soul searching. If the board wants to build a real football program, and decide that there exists the potential for success (some would doubt the potential for an upstart program in the veritable cradle of football, where there are already so many high-quality programs for kids to choose from) they will have to put more money into the program. They will have to pay (for the first time) for a high-quality head coach and staff, who will have to redouble their efforts to recruit high quality players. UA has gone part of the way with capital improvements, but that money will have been wasted if there is not a strong commitment made to the human beings who will build the program, basically from the ground up.STZLet's say the worst case scenario occurs and the Zips finish 1-10. Even in that situation, that certainly doesn't mean that the next coach will have to build "from the ground up". It's not like JD's teams of recent years have been involved in games like the Kansas State 65-0 debacle or the one where Miami's QB took a knee in scoring position JUST BEFORE HALFTIME. Things are bad, but in NO way is this program one that should be characterized as having to start over. The right coach can turn it around quickly. I'm fully convinced of that. The key will be having a smooth transition, one in which key players and recruits are retained.Well said. There is plenty of talent. We have spent too many years "building" at UofA. It's time to start winning.When people say "high quality recruits", the first thing that comes to my mind is a high quality recruit is a difference maker on the field. Sometimes difference makers struggle in the classroom. UofA needs to make a committment to bring in high quality players and support them academically. That's how really good teams get good. I'm not saying bring in a bad element, but let's keep the marginal players in school, help them get some cake degree and win some games.

I agree. The AD forced one coach out already and looks bad for doing it. Firing JD now not only will not prove anything, but it could look really negative in other ways.Hang in there coachers.....only six more games.

He was. On the day Robert Lyons was placed in the Varsity A Hall of Fame, French was presented with an award. I can't remember what the award was called though.

That's why stadiums of MAC teams sit half empty every week.

The Zips are bad. Next year I expect them to be good. The talent is there...the coaching isn't.

So what's your point?

Quoting Rachel Green from friends: "What a load of crap!"I remember after the Mac championship in 2005 JD was waiting for the first offer to move on but, unfortunately, no school was stupid enough to offer him.Secondly the NFL has given him offers, I never said anything about other schools but obviously you know he was waiting for the first opportunity to jump ship. He'll be gone after the end of the season. Don't worry about itI agree and know for a fact as well that JD has been offered jobs by NFL teams in the past. I even know one of the teams that offered him.JD is gone at the end of the season. Six years is enough. People posting post after post about it is a waste of time.

Why? It would be a guaranteed loss. Just because WMU does it, it doesn't mean we should do it. Is ND going to go to Kalamazoo to play?