MDZip Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 We would have had to pay out the rear to get a big name. I see the point about a FCS up and comer but that is no safe bet either. At this point I am satisfied because...Maybe we did, I haven't heard any salary mentioned. And since no one has mentioned it, look what happened last time we took a coach from Notre Dame. That has exactly zero bearing on the current situation but I can't believe no one used that one yet. :)If Tom is right, we're all happy. If he's wrong, it will likely cost him his job down the road. I'm sure this was not something he entered into lightly. Gotta give Rob a chance.And JohnnyZip84, I can't believe you got that job after they called me as a reference, were any of the other candidates breathing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatwad Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Bring back Balki Bartokomous! Where'd he go anyway? I was thinking the exact same thing when I was reading through the past thread CK posted. I miss Balki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Brief Ohio.Com article (presumably Gaffney).And just for Dr. Z:He also wants to play a 4-3 defensive scheme. It is sad that I'm happy about that comment, but I am. Choosing the proper scheme is step ONE of ten that Rob has to do to have a dominating defense at Akron. Good luck, I like his start.PS He looks good in that cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Bring back Balki Bartokomous! Where'd he go anyway? At last report, the ZipsNation.Org search party is still on its mission started to Put-in-Bay a few years ago in search of DA ZIPMAN!You'll have to wait to find Balki .. priorties.DA ZIPMAN! I'm sure a few pearls of wisdom from him would make my day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 DA ZIPMAN! I'm sure a few pearls of wisdom from him would make my day! Hilltopper, Da Zipman just emailed me and asked to post his comment. He said this applies to all football related threads, not just this one:DA COACHES SUCK, DA PLAYERS ARE DA BOMBDA ZIPMAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 No thanks...I'll trust the AD on this call.What has he done to earn your trust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 We would have had to pay out the rear to get a big name. I see the point about a FCS up and comer but that is no safe bet either. At this point I am satisfied because...Maybe we did, I haven't heard any salary mentioned. And since no one has mentioned it, look what happened last time we took a coach from Notre Dame. That has exactly zero bearing on the current situation but I can't believe no one used that one yet. :)If Tom is right, we're all happy. If he's wrong, it will likely cost him his job down the road. I'm sure this was not something he entered into lightly. Gotta give Rob a chance.And JohnnyZip84, I can't believe you got that job after they called me as a reference, were any of the other candidates breathing? I'm pretty sure that I beat out a "Chuck Martin" for the gig. It's probably ANOTHER Chuk Martin though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 No thanks...I'll trust the AD on this call.What has he done to earn your trust?What has he done to lose your's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 No thanks...I'll trust the AD on this call.What has he done to earn your trust?What has he done to lose your's?Trust isn't given, it's earned.1. Reno raw deal.2. Taking the easy road and hiring a buddy.3. Giving away tickets to the final football game.Now go cry to the moderators and have them make you another sign, sign bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 No thanks...I'll trust the AD on this call.What has he done to earn your trust?What has he done to lose your's?lolI'm gonna stick up for GP1 here (I can't believe it).I don't think trust can be lost if it was never had.Don't confuse trust with respect. I think the AP automatically deserves respect, unless he does something to lose it.I also think that I would like to have faith that he knows what he is doing.But trust? That's a rough one.I tend to be an optimist. And like I said when the Ianello rumor thread started, IF (and I don't know that it is true, whatsoever) our new HC is brought in for his recruiting prowess and leadership vision, and may lack the X's & O's, then all the AD has to do is complete the organizational package around him to (look out for it) "build the program" and fill in those gaps.[edit-add]BTW, GP1, I'm sure you don't see it this way, but I think that the sign is a tribute to you.Don't focus on it's negative aspect. I understand why it was made. Frankly, your style hasn't always been my favorite either.But I am jealous that got a sign made to you. I got no sign, and if smart guy makes me one, it certainly wont get used often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 ..... When the real issue is that said Ianello has been a recruiter for the past twenty years at several institutions.That speaks volumes about his personal skills and recruiting abilities. Here, here. On the flip side, twentyyears in the same position. Pretty stagnant as far as developing other coaching skills.Paul ("Bear") Bryant was one of Alabama's greatest football coaches, if not the outright greatest. Bryantcouldn't coach his way to the men's room. He relied on the best talented assistants he could hire. HopefullyIanello has similar skills .....Bingo. Every coach has strengths and weaknesses. Pick your poison. Ianello is universally recognized as one of college football's best recruiters. That means his weaknesses are in other areas. Great head coaches such as Bear Bryant played to their strengths, recognized their weaknesses, and compensated by surrounding themselves with assistants whose strengths covered their weaknesses.If Ianello focuses on his strength of attracting the best recruits UA could realistically hope for, brings in a strong supporting cast of assistants, and makes all the right moves with those chess pieces, he will be a winner. The same formula would apply to any head coach that UA might have signed. There are no guarantees of who would be best at putting together all the pieces needed. But at least with Ianello UA is getting a coach with a long history of being at the top of his particular specialty -- recruiting. That's a great start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 No thanks...I'll trust the AD on this call.What has he done to earn your trust?1.) He actually interviewed the candidates, rather than only look at won/lost records on a school's web site, or idiotic comments on fan forums. 2.) He didn't look at Central Michigan and think "This is the only possible way to have success in the MAC."3.) He released a coaching staff that was still under contract for a year. In these economic times, he could easily have said "Hey, my hands are tied...we have to keep the guy." But he made the tough (monetarily) call. 4.) His own career advancement depends on it.Look - I have a long way to go before I buy into YouTube Tom part-and-parcel. The way he handled Reno's dismissal was absolutely wrong and he has a mile to go to make up for it. But he knows better than anyone on this board whether or not Ianello was the best candidate for the Akron HC job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 But he knows better than anyone on this board whether or not Ianello was the best candidate for the Akron HC job. His own career advancement depends on it.VERY hard to argue with that line of reasoning.He ought to know better than anyone on this board regardless, but that's not the point. There is no greater factor to consider than human nature, and it's hard to imagine that he would make a bad decision when it would obviously be self-destructive.The only question I would ask is, how much was he limited by things out of his own control, such as money limitations, for one example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 No thanks...I'll trust the AD on this call.What has he done to earn your trust?What has he done to lose your's?lolI'm gonna stick up for GP1 here (I can't believe it).I don't think trust can be lost if it was never had.Don't confuse trust with respect. I think the AP automatically deserves respect, unless he does something to lose it.I also think that I would like to have faith that he knows what he is doing.But trust? That's a rough one.I tend to be an optimist. And like I said when the Ianello rumor thread started, IF (and I don't know that it is true, whatsoever) our new HC is brought in for his recruiting prowess and leadership vision, and may lack the X's & O's, then all the AD has to do is complete the organizational package around him to (look out for it) "build the program" and fill in those gaps.[edit-add]BTW, GP1, I'm sure you don't see it this way, but I think that the sign is a tribute to you.Don't focus on it's negative aspect. I understand why it was made. Frankly, your style hasn't always been my favorite either.But I am jealous that got a sign made to you. I got no sign, and if smart guy makes me one, it certainly wont get used often. First, trust is given and lost, because trust is a form of faith. A belief that a person will come through. You don't earn it.Second, GP1 is a big boy and knows when people mess with him, or just flat out think he's talking out his @$$. And likely doesn't care either way. I've agreed with him before, and I'm just having fun with my sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 No thanks...I'll trust the AD on this call.What has he done to earn your trust?1.) He actually interviewed the candidates, rather than only look at won/lost records on a school's web site, or idiotic comments on fan forums. 2.) He didn't look at Central Michigan and think "This is the only possible way to have success in the MAC."3.) He released a coaching staff that was still under contract for a year. In these economic times, he could easily have said "Hey, my hands are tied...we have to keep the guy." But he made the tough (monetarily) call. 4.) His own career advancement depends on it.Look - I have a long way to go before I buy into YouTube Tom part-and-parcel. The way he handled Reno's dismissal was absolutely wrong and he has a mile to go to make up for it. But he knows better than anyone on this board whether or not Ianello was the best candidate for the Akron HC job.Below is my rebuttal to your strained logic (number correspond to numbers above):1. Isn't it his job to interview the candidates. Why does that deserve respect?2. I guess you have a point there.3. Making obvious choices does not deserve respect. It's like saying Mike Thomas was brilliant for hiring Kelly when in fact it was the obvious choice.4. People in college athletics advance their careers in all sorts of ways. One of those is hiring their friends so incase they need another job they have their friends to fall back on. I think this is lazy management.Maybe it's my natural dislike for authority and honestly it is still early in his UofA career, but the guy makes me nervous in a way that Mack and Thomas didn't. I think he is a ready...fire...aim guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 For whoever asked earlier, UA was willing to pny up somehwere in the $329k-$379k range for a coach. How much is he really getting, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 For whoever asked earlier, UA was willing to pny up somehwere in the $329k-$379k range for a coach. How much is he really getting, I don't know.So, an average MAC salary. At the same time, Central Michigan is prepared to pony up 600k a year to keep Butch Jones from leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 For whoever asked earlier, UA was willing to pony up somewhere in the $329k-$379k range for a coach. How much is he really getting, I don't know.So, an average MAC salary. At the same time, Central Michigan is prepared to pony up 600k a year to keep Butch Jones from leaving.Coaches that have proven themselves (allegedly...we'll see how the guy does w/o MAC-killer LeFevour) tend to get more money than 1st year guys.We also don't know Ianello's salary yet. I'm sure I won't see him shaking an old McDonald's cup outside The Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 We also don't know Ianello's salary yet. I'm sure I won't see him shaking an old McDonald's cup outside The Q."According to Wistrcill, Ianello will make $375,000 a year on his initial five-year pact and will have $800,000 at his disposal to hire a staff." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I'm disappointed in that salary. If he shows success in the first year I would hope that his contract is reworked. The MAC salary crapper is simply embarassing and goes a long way toward explaining why (1) the teams generally stink and (2) reasonably successful coaches vamoosh the first second they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance99 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 We also don't know Ianello's salary yet. I'm sure I won't see him shaking an old McDonald's cup outside The Q."According to Wistrcill, Ianello will make $375,000 a year on his initial five-year pact and will have $800,000 at his disposal to hire a staff."That's very scary: in the same paragraph, it says "Ianello will become the second Notre Dame football coach to be head man for the Zips, following in the footsteps of Gerry Faust (43-53-3, 1986-1994)."A sign of things to come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I think the salary is fair for a guy with no head coaching experience. I'm more disappointed with the assistant salary pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 But he knows better than anyone on this board whether or not Ianello was the best candidate for the Akron HC job. His own career advancement depends on it.VERY hard to argue with that line of reasoning.He ought to know better than anyone on this board regardless, but that's not the point. There is no greater factor to consider than human nature, and it's hard to imagine that he would make a bad decision when it would obviously be self-destructive.The only question I would ask is, how much was he limited by things out of his own control, such as money limitations, for one example.Me and my golfing buddy (let's just call him T.W. for the moment) couldn't agree more with your human nature comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RootforRoo44 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Hey i'll agree that"The future is bright" but i wont agree that "he can't be anymore excited". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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