The Rags Have Spoken

[Dr Z]

Here's an OVERVIEW of the 7-on-7 game for those (including me) who aren't that familiar with it.

Doesn't seem much like football. Seems like what you play after school when your done with your dinner until the street lights come on. Do they use a Nerf or a real football?

[K92]

Please tell me that we aren't talking about a exhibition using those AAU rules. If so, it means even less than I originally thought. Also, how in the hell was the score 63-35? Were they kicking extra points? 9-5 sounds more like it. My head is starting to hurt.

[Doug Snyder]

The best case that we can hope for is that the loss kind of shocked Nicely and the rest of the team into realizing that it's going to take a whole other level of dedication if they want to win. I hope their workouts are more intense and their mentality is improved from this.

I am not trying to call our skill players hopeless losers, rather I wanted to call them out in the hopes of making them realize that whatever amount of work they put in last year through the summer just isn't enough.

Last summer, we got spanked by Ashland in a similar scenario. I saw it as a major red flag but most Zips fans were quick to dismiss it. Then we went 1-11. I'm seeing a pattern emerge here.

If anything...the tweet you linked from Nicely is concerning too. He just blew it off instead of taking some kind of responsibility/ I would have prefered something like "We got our asses whipped because we did not come to play and were not mentally prepared. No excuses...I will personally make sure that we will be mentally prepared when the season starts"

My hope now is that he starts the season. If someone gets beat up it may as well be him. If he performs at a high level...maybe we have our QB. If not...Moore will step in fresh with the meat grinder part behind us.

[Doug Snyder]

Looks like Mack Brown is in BIG trouble.

Here's an OVERVIEW of the 7-on-7 game for those (including me) who aren't that familiar with it. BTW, if anyone knows whether these unofficial college scrimmages deviate much from the AAU rules please advise.

My take on the Mount thing is that while it's not great news to hear, it's probably doesn't have much impact on how the Zips will turn out this year. IMO, you're taking away what I believe will be the strength of the offense (Chisholm) in this setup. I do believe it may further highlight our questionable secondary, however. Hopefully we'll get some of the injured back and/or gain contributions from the incoming freshmen.

....and Nicely will not be calling the plays. But....he may be making the on-field decisions.

I hope Nicely reads this stuff and is embarrased. If not...then he is not our guy.

One more thing to consider. In pick-up games organization can overcome better talent. Mount has a tradition of winning and discipline. That would serve them well in a pick-up game. The Zips?? They are still seeking an identity and there is no proof yet of discipline.

I watched the spring game and all my attention was on the QBs. I was especially interested how the QBs handled themselves on the sidelines and after the game. I only want the Zips to win and I don't have a dog in this race…...but I was not very impressed by the leadership qualities shown in that game.

[Zipmeister]

Looks like Mack Brown is in BIG trouble.

Here's an OVERVIEW of the 7-on-7 game for those (including me) who aren't that familiar with it. BTW, if anyone knows whether these unofficial college scrimmages deviate much from the AAU rules please advise.

My take on the Mount thing is that while it's not great news to hear, it's probably doesn't have much impact on how the Zips will turn out this year. IMO, you're taking away what I believe will be the strength of the offense (Chisholm) in this setup. I do believe it may further highlight our questionable secondary, however. Hopefully we'll get some of the injured back and/or gain contributions from the incoming freshmen.

....and nicely will not be calling the plays. But....he may be making the on-field decisions.

I hope Nicely reads this stuff and is embarrased. If not...then he is not our guy.

One more thing to consider. In pick-up games organization can overcome better talent. Mount has a tradition of winning and discipline. That would serve them well in a pick-up game. The Zips?? They are still seeking an identity and there is no proof yet of discipline.

I watched the spring game and all my attention was on the QBs. I was especially interested how the QBs handled themselves on the sidelines and after the game. I only want thesis to win and I don’t have a dog in this race….but I was not very impressed by the leadership qualities shown in that game.

I'm looking for a pant load of mature leadership out of Nicely this year.

Also went to Nicely's Twitter page provided by Zach earlier in this thread and read with great interest Pat's description of how his farts smell.

[johnnyzip84]

Looks like Mack Brown is in BIG trouble.

Here's an OVERVIEW of the 7-on-7 game for those (including me) who aren't that familiar with it. BTW, if anyone knows whether these unofficial college scrimmages deviate much from the AAU rules please advise.

My take on the Mount thing is that while it's not great news to hear, it's probably doesn't have much impact on how the Zips will turn out this year. IMO, you're taking away what I believe will be the strength of the offense (Chisholm) in this setup. I do believe it may further highlight our questionable secondary, however. Hopefully we'll get some of the injured back and/or gain contributions from the incoming freshmen.

....and nicely will not be calling the plays. But....he may be making the on-field decisions.

I hope Nicely reads this stuff and is embarrased. If not...then he is not our guy.

One more thing to consider. In pick-up games organization can overcome better talent. Mount has a tradition of winning and discipline. That would serve them well in a pick-up game. The Zips?? They are still seeking an identity and there is no proof yet of discipline.

I watched the spring game and all my attention was on the QBs. I was especially interested how the QBs handled themselves on the sidelines and after the game. I only want thesis to win and I don’t have a dog in this race….but I was not very impressed by the leadership qualities shown in that game.

I'm looking for a pant load of mature leadership out of Nicely this year.

Also went to Nicely's Twitter page provided by Zach earlier in this thread and read with great interest Pat's description of how his farts smell.

....so are we talking scents of steamed broccoli? rotten eggs? Brussels sprouts? old cottage cheese? something completely new?

[Captain Kangaroo]

BTW, the score was 63-35. We lost to a D-III school by 4 TDs.

If we played them in X-Box and lost by that margin, I'd be equally concerned.

[Zip_ME87]

Bury your heads in the sand and make fun of Zach, but I agree with him that this 7 on 7 debacle and how the Zips react to it provides an indication of attitude. Somehow folks think next season will magically be better, but that doesn't happen without dedication and hard work which I have yet to see. I agree it couldn't be much worse next year, but it could be 1 game worse. Those who think the Zips are going to walk into Ohio Stadium and steal one from the deflated Suckeyes are deluding themselves. From what I witnessed in Infocision Stadium last season, the Suckeyes 3rd string led by the equipment manager could win that game. I hope someone gives this team a proverbial kick in the @ss to get them going and stops making excuses for them.

[GoZips]

Bury your heads in the sand and make fun of Zach, but I agree with him that this 7 on 7 debacle and how the Zips react to it provides an indication of attitude. Somehow folks think next season will magically be better, but that doesn't happen without dedication and hard work which I have yet to see. I agree it couldn't be much worse next year, but it could be 1 game worse. Those who think the Zips are going to walk into Ohio Stadium and steal one from the deflated Suckeyes are deluding themselves. From what I witnessed in Infocision Stadium last season, the Suckeyes 3rd string led by the equipment manager could win that game. I hope someone gives this team a proverbial kick in the @ss to get them going and stops making excuses for them.

It begins with coaching. Of which, there is none.

The part that deeply saddens me is that several years ago Akron chose a man who had a blank resume'.

They got battered for this blunder. Two years ago the brain trust made the same blunder.

The definition of insanity is to repeat over and over the same actions and expect a different outcome.

Which also sums up why our national economy is so bad.

[Zip_ME87]

It begins with coaching. Of which, there is none.

The part that deeply saddens me is that several years ago Akron chose a man who had a blank resume'.

They got battered for this blunder. Two years ago the brain trust made the same blunder.

The definition of insanity is to repeat over and over the same actions and expect a different outcome.

Which also sums up why our national economy is so bad.

I totally agree. It's so frustrating how the same mistakes are repeated over and over. We all love UA and our football program, and I want to support it (which I did by renewing my season ticket and donating), but I can't take it on faith that there is improvement for next season. I have to see it, and although it may have been just a 7 on 7, it's more indication of things not looking up. I'd prefer to read Patrick tweeting that they have to get their crap together than that he wished it [the 7 on 7] would go away. At least then I would know it mattered (competitively) to him.

[K92]

I did some more research on how these 7 on 7 drills work. Thankfully, it is not the same rules as 7 man football. On offense: Center, QB, 5 receivers. On defense: linebackers and DBs. All passing. I would think this format would put the Zips at an immediate disadvantage on the offensive side of the ball. How many plays are in the Zips playbook with 5 possible receivers running routes? Not many, I'll bet. I don't know anything about what offense MU runs, but I am going to guess they have a better playbook for this setup. As JZ84 alluded to, this drill definitely does not play to the strength of our team. This is not real football. It is a passing drill. We got beat in a passing drill. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

The elephant in the room here is Patrick Nicely. PN is a returning Junior and needs to take the reins and be the real leader of this team. If he is able. The clock is ticking on Pat. He is being afforded every opportunity to succeed by the coaching staff, but doesn't seem to be taking advantage of that opportunity.

When you think back to the games last year, who looked the part of leader on offense? It appeared to me that Alex Allen and Nate Burney played that role. Your starting QB needs to be the leader, IMO, and I have seen precious little of that from PN. I hope he proves me wrong. God, I hope he proves me wrong. But if it is immediately evident when the season starts that PN has not made a big transformation as a player, I would hope the coaching staff makes a quick change (Assuming he will be the starter in Columbus). I don't want to spend another season waiting for some development coming from PN. He has to come out of the gate strong or let's go in another direction.

I don't want to trash the kid, but he definitely needs to show us something.

[RACER]

i just don't see how it was all the qb last year fault we went 1-11.when you go1-11 you have alott more problems than the qb spot.if we have someone better the coaches would have probably play them.i just don't see how trashing a kid before the season even starts helps.we a terrible football team. what do people expect in one year to go 12-0 this season.this season will probably be about the same as last.hopefully we can win more than one game this year.the bottom line is our current players are not going to go into a phone booth,and change into superman before the osu game starts.

[K92]

Who said last year was all the QB's fault?

[Doug Snyder]

I did some more research on how these 7 on 7 drills work. Thankfully, it is not the same rules as 7 man football. On offense: Center, QB, 5 receivers. On defense: linebackers and DBs. All passing. I would think this format would put the Zips at an immediate disadvantage on the offensive side of the ball. How many plays are in the Zips playbook with 5 possible receivers running routes? Not many, I'll bet. I don't know anything about what offense MU runs, but I am going to guess they have a better playbook for this setup. As JZ84 alluded to, this drill definitely does not play to the strength of our team. This is not real football. It is a passing drill. We got beat in a passing drill. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

The elephant in the room here is Patrick Nicely. PN is a returning Junior and needs to take the reins and be the real leader of this team. If he is able. The clock is ticking on Pat. He is being afforded every opportunity to succeed by the coaching staff, but doesn't seem to be taking advantage of that opportunity.

When you think back to the games last year, who looked the part of leader on offense? It appeared to me that Alex Allen and Nate Burney played that role. Your starting QB needs to be the leader, IMO, and I have seen precious little of that from PN. I hope he proves me wrong. God, I hope he proves me wrong. But if it is immediately evident when the season starts that PN has not made a big transformation as a player, I would hope the coaching staff makes a quick change (Assuming he will be the starter in Columbus). I don't want to spend another season waiting for some development coming from PN. He has to come out of the gate strong or let's go in another direction.

I don't want to trash the kid, but he definitely needs to show us something.

+1 well said

[Zipgrad01]

I did some more research on how these 7 on 7 drills work. Thankfully, it is not the same rules as 7 man football. On offense: Center, QB, 5 receivers. On defense: linebackers and DBs. All passing. I would think this format would put the Zips at an immediate disadvantage on the offensive side of the ball. How many plays are in the Zips playbook with 5 possible receivers running routes? Not many, I'll bet. I don't know anything about what offense MU runs, but I am going to guess they have a better playbook for this setup. As JZ84 alluded to, this drill definitely does not play to the strength of our team. This is not real football. It is a passing drill. We got beat in a passing drill. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

The elephant in the room here is Patrick Nicely. PN is a returning Junior and needs to take the reins and be the real leader of this team. If he is able. The clock is ticking on Pat. He is being afforded every opportunity to succeed by the coaching staff, but doesn't seem to be taking advantage of that opportunity.

When you think back to the games last year, who looked the part of leader on offense? It appeared to me that Alex Allen and Nate Burney played that role. Your starting QB needs to be the leader, IMO, and I have seen precious little of that from PN. I hope he proves me wrong. God, I hope he proves me wrong. But if it is immediately evident when the season starts that PN has not made a big transformation as a player, I would hope the coaching staff makes a quick change (Assuming he will be the starter in Columbus). I don't want to spend another season waiting for some development coming from PN. He has to come out of the gate strong or let's go in another direction.

I don't want to trash the kid, but he definitely needs to show us something.

+1 well said

The most glaring thing that sticks out to me is that we still have a huge talent gap to fill. I don't care what kind of football rules they played, A D-1 school should run circles around a D-3 school in any format. Our receivers should have been uncoverable and our db's should be able to lock down their receivers.

[Buckzip]

I did some more research on how these 7 on 7 drills work. Thankfully, it is not the same rules as 7 man football. On offense: Center, QB, 5 receivers. On defense: linebackers and DBs. All passing. I would think this format would put the Zips at an immediate disadvantage on the offensive side of the ball. How many plays are in the Zips playbook with 5 possible receivers running routes? Not many, I'll bet. I don't know anything about what offense MU runs, but I am going to guess they have a better playbook for this setup. As JZ84 alluded to, this drill definitely does not play to the strength of our team. This is not real football. It is a passing drill. We got beat in a passing drill. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

The elephant in the room here is Patrick Nicely. PN is a returning Junior and needs to take the reins and be the real leader of this team. If he is able. The clock is ticking on Pat. He is being afforded every opportunity to succeed by the coaching staff, but doesn't seem to be taking advantage of that opportunity.

When you think back to the games last year, who looked the part of leader on offense? It appeared to me that Alex Allen and Nate Burney played that role. Your starting QB needs to be the leader, IMO, and I have seen precious little of that from PN. I hope he proves me wrong. God, I hope he proves me wrong. But if it is immediately evident when the season starts that PN has not made a big transformation as a player, I would hope the coaching staff makes a quick change (Assuming he will be the starter in Columbus). I don't want to spend another season waiting for some development coming from PN. He has to come out of the gate strong or let's go in another direction.

I don't want to trash the kid, but he definitely needs to show us something.

+1 well said

The most glaring thing that sticks out to me is that we still have a huge talent gap to fill. I don't care what kind of football rules they played, A D-1 school should run circles around a D-3 school in any format. Our receivers should have been uncoverable and our db's should be able to lock down their receivers.

Talent or not, when 1 side is used to winning and the other is used to losing it does have an effect on the psyche of the players.

[Lee Adams]

Hey if anyone is interested,Sporting News has the Zips rated at 99. AHEAD of Can't.

[K92]

Hey if anyone is interested,Sporting News has the Zips rated at 99. AHEAD of Can't.

That's because the Zips are going to thrash the Flashes in front of a sold-out, standing-room-only crowd at Infocision Stadium November 12.

(just had to beat dreal to the punch!)

[K92]

Washington Times has the Zips at 115

[ZachTheZip]

7-on-7 later today against YSU.

[72 Roo]

Hey if anyone is interested,Sporting News has the Zips rated at 99. AHEAD of Can't.

That's because the Zips are going to thrash the Flashes in front of a sold-out, standing-room-only crowd at Infocision Stadium November 12. (just had to beat dreal to the punch!)

Thanks for the tip. I love your enthusiasm but I gotta ask what drugs are you on? I may need some of them to get through this season.

[johnnyzip84]

I didn't want to create a new topic just for this, so here is someone's rankings for the 2010 new HC hires in all of the FBS. Hey, at least iCoach wasn't last!

[MDZip]

And Icoach hasn't made this list of the worst coaching tenures of all time yet. The Zips did get a mention, however, under the entry for Greg Robinson.5. Greg Robinson, Syracuse (10–37, 2005-08)Robinson’s overall record isn’t as bad as others on this list, but he gets low marks for destroying what was a solid Syracuse program. The Orangemen (as they used to be called) only had one losing season from 1987-2004. Robinson had four losing season in four years, with a high-water mark of 4–8 in 2006.Lowlight: Syracuse lost its 2008 home opener to Akron, 42–28.Ye Gods.

[Z.I.P.]

And Icoach hasn't made this list of the worst coaching tenures of all time yet. The Zips did get a mention, however, under the entry for Greg Robinson.5. Greg Robinson, Syracuse (10–37, 2005-08)Robinson’s overall record isn’t as bad as others on this list, but he gets low marks for destroying what was a solid Syracuse program. The Orangemen (as they used to be called) only had one losing season from 1987-2004. Robinson had four losing season in four years, with a high-water mark of 4–8 in 2006.Lowlight: Syracuse lost its 2008 home opener to Akron, 42–28.Ye Gods.

Ha ha. That's pretty good. But no self-respecting football fan in Hawaii can give any credibility to a list of the worst coaches that doesn't include this guy, who went 5-31 including being the first coach to lose twelve games in a season, and the following season June Jones arrived and won 10 games with the same players. So, there you go -- I-Coach has something to aim for.

[MDZip]

And Icoach hasn't made this list of the worst coaching tenures of all time yet. The Zips did get a mention, however, under the entry for Greg Robinson.5. Greg Robinson, Syracuse (10–37, 2005-08)Robinson’s overall record isn’t as bad as others on this list, but he gets low marks for destroying what was a solid Syracuse program. The Orangemen (as they used to be called) only had one losing season from 1987-2004. Robinson had four losing season in four years, with a high-water mark of 4–8 in 2006.Lowlight: Syracuse lost its 2008 home opener to Akron, 42–28.Ye Gods.

Ha ha. That's pretty good. But no self-respecting football fan in Hawaii can give any credibility to a list of the worst coaches that doesn't include this guy, who went 5-31 including being the first coach to lose twelve games in a season, and the following season June Jones arrived and won 10 games with the same players. So, there you go -- I-Coach has something to aim for.

Being replaced by June Jones?