zippy5 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Not to stir the pot, but I bet OSU fan's, on the inside, are thrilled that there is finally something else to take the heat off of them.I'd really hope no one is "thrilled" by any part of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 And we don't know that Paterno did lose curiosity. He may have followed up and been told the matter had been investigated and resolved.Or, he didn't want the issue to go any further so he kept himself in the dark about what was going so he could claim not to know later. It wouldn't be the first time we saw a high profile coach in the last 12 months keep himself in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I would think it's unanimous here that we'd all consider adults preying on vulnerable youths to be an especially heinous crime.I would think it's unanimous here that we'd all want to see everyone involved in any such activity be held accountable to the full extent of their involvement and guilt.I would think it's unanimous here that we'd all want to see no one punished in any way if they are innocent of doing anything wrong.I want the truth to come out in this matter no matter how bad it may be. I don't think the local authorities have the nerve to press an issue on Paterno. Since children were taken across state lines in some cases, it makes it a Federal crime. Paterno needs to sit in front of a Federal grand jury and answer some questions coming from the pricks that are Federal lawyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 And we don't know that Paterno did lose curiosity. He may have followed up and been told the matter had been investigated and resolved.Or, he didn't want the issue to go any further so he kept himself in the dark about what was going so he could claim not to know later. It wouldn't be the first time we saw a high profile coach in the last 12 months keep himself in the dark.Obviously can't know, but I tend to think that this is the case. He made a single bureaucratic act, and went on about his business showing no real concern. It's human nature to hope/wish that something like this (which could threaten everything you do, or at the very least, cause lots of problems and headaches for your people and program) was just not true and would go away. Denial and avoidance are a common psychological defense mechanism. It's easier not to get involved with things that can threaten what you have so much invested in. Was he really turning a blind eye as if to condone it? Of course not. He really just sorta wanted to wish it away so he could keep doing those things that he felt was important. I don't think Paterno is a villain here of anything except blind selfishness. However, I also think that he is being sheltered from implicit negligence because of his age and symbolic status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 It's human nature to hope/wish that something like this (which could threaten everything you do, or at the very least, cause lots of problems and headaches for your people and program) was just not true and would go away.Or, it could impact your ability to become the all time winningest coach... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Not to stir the pot, but I bet OSU fan's, on the inside, are thrilled that there is finally something else to take the heat off of them.You would lose that bet very badly.For you to even compare the 2 says a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Very interesting selective application of the Pa. law which requires anyone who knows of a case of child abuse to report it to the police. Apparently it only applies if you don't tell someone higher up the administrative ladder. The G.A. witnessed the event, but didn't tell police. He wasn't arrested. He told JoePa, who didn't tell the police, but he wasn't arrested. The two guys who get the info third hand from JoePa get arrested because they didn't tell the police. They should have told the University Pres., then they would be off the hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 For you to even compare the 2 says a lot.Both universities make so much money from the sport, they are willing to hide any wrong doing so they can continue to benefit financially. Both AD's had little control over their head coaches. As far as football is concerned, the results may be the similar, a change at the head coaching position. I think there are similarities. The differences are obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Interesting and sad story by someone who grew up in and around the Penn State "family". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Cancelled the presser 30 minutes before JoePa was to speak. Spanier cancelled it w/o telling Joe. Apparently Joe was ready to answer questions on the scandal as well as the game. Now there's hundreds of angry reporters in State College looking for a story...bad move PSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Reports that JoePa is done @ the end of this season at the latest. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/n...ernos-exit.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I do not like Joe Paterno. I have not liked him ever since heran up the score on the worn out Zips one hot summer afternoon.That said, let us get current. It appears that coach Sandusky is indeep, deep do do. He is still presumed innocent until proven otherwise. That is the law. We live by it.Skering coach Paternao is wrong. This is presumed guilty by in action.Perhaps JoePa did fail to follow an obscure law, Maybe not.At any rate, why are Zips fans enjoying Penn State's problems?Penn State is NOT a rival school even though Akron and PSU meet inseveral sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I do not like Joe Paterno. I have not liked him ever since heran up the score on the worn out Zips one hot summer afternoon.That said, let us get current. It appears that coach Sandusky is indeep, deep do do. He is still presumed innocent until proven otherwise. That is the law. We live by it.Skering coach Paternao is wrong. This is presumed guilty by in action.Perhaps JoePa did fail to follow an obscure law, Maybe not.At any rate, why are Zips fans enjoying Penn State's problems?Penn State is NOT a rival school even though Akron and PSU meet inseveral sports.I don't really see anyone here enjoying it. This is beyond disgusting. This isn't free tats or free shoes, or any of that minor BS. This is way beyond college sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 For you to even compare the 2 says a lot.Both universities make so much money from the sport, they are willing to hide any wrong doing so they can continue to benefit financially. Both AD's had little control over their head coaches. As far as football is concerned, the results may be the similar, a change at the head coaching position. I think there are similarities. The differences are obvious.Apples and grenades. Oranges would be too close for what you are comparing. The OSU thing wasn't a coverup by anyone but the coach. This is a coverup by the entire higher ups of the university. This isn't over free tats...This is child rape...Do you really think they belong in the same sentence???????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 The more that comes out, the worse it looks for all who knew there was even a chance of a crime against children. I'll remain open-minded on who bears how much responsibility until the final results of the investigation are done. But the nature of the crime is so terrible that anyone with a conscience should not have been able to sleep at night until they knew that appropriate action had been taken.The big-name leaders are supposed to be role models. It's fair to hold them to high standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 This is way beyond college sports.I agree. This is a national tragedy and I don't think it is an overreaction to say so. In the back of my mind, I think, "If there were 9, there were probably 90". A very sad story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Maureen DowdInteresting take on this situation. One part I find very interesting. Since this story is all over ESPN, young children are hearing about it and maybe for the first time they are hearing words like "molestation". They get curious and then ask their parents what that word means. Now parents have to talk to their children about this issue years before they may want to talk to them about it or are even prepared to talk about it. This story is so f-ed up..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Maureen DowdInteresting take on this situation. One part I find very interesting. Since this story is all over ESPN, young children are hearing about it and maybe for the first time they are hearing words like "molestation". They get curious and then ask their parents what that word means. Now parents have to talk to their children about this issue years before they may want to talk to them about it or are even prepared to talk about it. This story is so f-ed up.....Makes those OSU players "Illegal" tats look pretty silly right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Maureen DowdInteresting take on this situation. One part I find very interesting. Since this story is all over ESPN, young children are hearing about it and maybe for the first time they are hearing words like "molestation". They get curious and then ask their parents what that word means. Now parents have to talk to their children about this issue years before they may want to talk to them about it or are even prepared to talk about it. This story is so f-ed up.....GP1, any good parent is having a talk about improper touching with their child as soon as they begin interacting with other adults. Heck I remember getting taught about it in the first grade. It doesn't have to be a graphic discussion, it does need to take place though. People think this is a new problem but it has been going on everywhere. Churches, Boy Scouts, Wrestling, now college football. It is sad, but like you said if there is 9 there is 90 (it's already up to 20) and how many other schools have or had something similar going on. I will wager a guess that Penn State is not the only school where tragedy like this is occurring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jem101 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 This whole story sickens me. I don't get how if you are McQueary or JoePa you report it and then forget it. Sandusky was continually around the team until just last week. How do you not go to the AD and ask what they uncovered? How do you sleep at night if you don't know the answer to this question? Sure they may have fulfilled their legal obligation, but they both failed at life. Also, if you witness something like this happen how do you not intervene and beat the crap out of Sandusky? McQueary is a coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Also, if you witness something like this happen how do you not intervene and beat the crap out of Sandusky? McQueary is a coward.Bingo!!!I can honestly say that if I walked in on something like this when I was 28, there would have been a fight to the death. I would have killed Sandusky, or he would have had to kill me trying to save himself from me, but someone would have died. I have no idea how McQueary doesn't go into that shower with fists flying. Chain of command my foot..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 ArticleI find it interesting that some of the more thought provoking articles on this issue are written by women who don't cover sports for a living. Maybe it's because they don't take sports too seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I can honestly say that if I walked in on something like this when I was 28, there would have been a fight to the death. I would have killed Sandusky, or he would have had to kill me trying to save himself from me, but someone would have died. I have no idea how McQueary doesn't go into that shower with fists flying. Chain of command my foot.....Remember we are dealing with all the information. I certainly would have broken it up knowing what we all know. But do we know what McQueary knew at the time? Additionally from a Joe Pa point of view, he gets info from a GA, he does what he needs to do with it. Tells the AD and a guy who is in charge of the PSU Police department, that is like telling the commissioner of a police department. To me that is as handled as it could be.Now if McQueary saw what he says he saw in the indictment, how does he continue for 10+ years seeing Sandusky on campus and never questioning what happened. For Joe Pa he went to the authorities, they said they would investigate the accusation, if Sandusky wasn't removed or suspended by them, what else was he to do? Additionally there were external investigations of Sandusky by the youth organization he was involved with and they did nothing. No one is right on how this was handled, because it went on and too many innocent boys were taken advantage of, but of all parties Joe Pa is the one getting railroaded even though he told authorities, they blame him for not telling everyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jem101 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I can honestly say that if I walked in on something like this when I was 28, there would have been a fight to the death. I would have killed Sandusky, or he would have had to kill me trying to save himself from me, but someone would have died. I have no idea how McQueary doesn't go into that shower with fists flying. Chain of command my foot.....Remember we are dealing with all the information. I certainly would have broken it up knowing what we all know. But do we know what McQueary knew at the time? Additionally from a Joe Pa point of view, he gets info from a GA, he does what he needs to do with it. Tells the AD and a guy who is in charge of the PSU Police department, that is like telling the commissioner of a police department. To me that is as handled as it could be.Now if McQueary saw what he says he saw in the indictment, how does he continue for 10+ years seeing Sandusky on campus and never questioning what happened. For Joe Pa he went to the authorities, they said they would investigate the accusation, if Sandusky wasn't removed or suspended by them, what else was he to do? Additionally there were external investigations of Sandusky by the youth organization he was involved with and they did nothing. No one is right on how this was handled, because it went on and too many innocent boys were taken advantage of, but of all parties Joe Pa is the one getting railroaded even though he told authorities, they blame him for not telling everyone?McQueary saw Sandusky raping a little boy in the shower! How much more information do you need?? As for JoePa, he definitely did the correct thing legally. That said, how do you not follow up when you see an alleged molester on campus day in and day out? Wouldn't you want to know what was found out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 ESPN's Howard Bryant has written the best analysis of this case that I've yet seen. He cites other cases where powerful organizations have covered up abuses of individuals in order to protect themselves. The only solution to situations like this is for every individual to have zero tolerance. Anyone who participates in any way in any kind of cover-up must be held accountable. These cases go on for years and decades because too many people make the wrong choice of protecting institutions over individual lives.When you read about the number of innocent victims whose lives were ruined, it is absolutely heartbreaking.Penn State's failure of power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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