Dr Z Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 ...this is the result of horrible officiating. Valpo won the boards.It continues to amaze me how good teams get calls and bad teams get "screwed." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyZip Posted November 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 ...this is the result of horrible officiating. Valpo won the boards.It continues to amaze me how good teams get calls and bad teams get "screwed." Did you WATCH the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 ...this is the result of horrible officiating. Valpo won the boards.It continues to amaze me how good teams get calls and bad teams get "screwed." Zips are a bad team now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 At least this is fun conversation and was a GREAT game to watch. Everyone's all piss-n-vinegar right now & it's great, because man, it feels good! (Football's been so demoralizing I don't even care about the losses anymore.) Go Zips! Beat Duquesne! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Apparently our Mississippi State win was a "fluke"...just the way the 2K Sports Coaches v Cancer Classic tournament organziers want it felt as...mission accomplished... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Apparently our Mississippi State win was a "fluke"...just the way the 2K Sports Coaches v Cancer Classic tournament organziers want it felt as...mission accomplished... Nope. We choked. Guys tried to win the game themselves rather than play team ball for the last 4 minutes. That cost us the game. The new guys and the semi-new-guys that are now seen as leaders need to learn from what happened tonight. Then we're fine. If we don't learn from it, then we'll struggle. Not against the MAC West, but against good competition. And in road games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyforPresident Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 What a pathetic sham job. Let the teams play the game. I'm not so much angry as I am disappointed. Talk about ruining the integrity of the game... I was hoping to see a good basketball game tonight between two good teams, unfortunately the zebras wouldn't let that happen and instead we got to see one team practice shooting free throws. It's too bad when moronic officiating gets in the way of a good basketball game. I really don't know how those refs could call the game they did and still keep a straight face. It's one thing to have an off night or just get beat by a team that played better, but that was not even close to the case tonight. Hopefully the team can channel whatever frustration or disappointment they are feeling into the Duquesne game tomorrow. I feel bad for the Dukes if that is the case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 The Horizon is one of the best conferences in basketball. We should have won for sure, but Valpo does come from a quality conference (CSU, Butler) and so this is definitely NOT the WORST of losses. The Zips will be fine! Eastern Michigan is a great team too...coming from a quality conference <insert good MAC teams that aren't EMU>. We choked. Plenty more games to play, lessons to learn and opportunities for redemption. But we choked tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Zip Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Apparently our Mississippi State win was a "fluke"...just the way the 2K Sports Coaches v Cancer Classic tournament organziers want it felt as...mission accomplished... Nope. We choked. Guys tried to win the game themselves rather than play team ball for the last 4 minutes. That cost us the game. The new guys and the semi-new-guys that are now seen as leaders need to learn from what happened tonight. Then we're fine. If we don't learn from it, then we'll struggle. Not against the MAC West, but against good competition. And in road games. Good post. I was thinking that if we take something out of this and learn a bit, this one loss could get us two victories later when we need them the most. I follow the MAC officials a bit and have never seen this crew before. Hopefully never again. They make Larry Scirotto look great Brad Gaston, Bert Smith, William Jacobson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyZip Posted November 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 What a pathetic sham job. Let the teams play the game. I'm not so much angry as I am disappointed. Talk about ruining the integrity of the game... I was hoping to see a good basketball game tonight between two good teams, unfortunately the zebras wouldn't let that happen and instead we got to see one team practice shooting free throws. It's too bad when moronic officiating gets in the way of a good basketball game. I really don't know how those refs could call the game they did and still keep a straight face. It's one thing to have an off night or just get beat by a team that played better, but that was not even close to the case tonight. Hopefully the team can channel whatever frustration or disappointment they are feeling into the Duquesne game tomorrow. I feel bad for the Dukes if that is the case... The head referee was smiling and nodding his head to the band's music and student section during the last timeout. No lie. Take it for what it's worth, I'm sure it was a "staring off into the distance" thing, but it sure didn't look that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Zip Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 What a pathetic sham job. Let the teams play the game. I'm not so much angry as I am disappointed. Talk about ruining the integrity of the game... I was hoping to see a good basketball game tonight between two good teams, unfortunately the zebras wouldn't let that happen and instead we got to see one team practice shooting free throws. It's too bad when moronic officiating gets in the way of a good basketball game. I really don't know how those refs could call the game they did and still keep a straight face. It's one thing to have an off night or just get beat by a team that played better, but that was not even close to the case tonight. Hopefully the team can channel whatever frustration or disappointment they are feeling into the Duquesne game tomorrow. I feel bad for the Dukes if that is the case... " integrity of the game": I couldn't help to think that If Phil McKnight saw this game he would have had to have been escorted out. God rest his soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 The Horizon is one of the best conferences in basketball. We should have won for sure, but Valpo does come from a quality conference (CSU, Butler) and so this is definitely NOT the WORST of losses. The Zips will be fine! Eastern Michigan is a great team too...coming from a quality conference <insert good MAC teams that aren't EMU>. We choked. Plenty more games to play, lessons to learn and opportunities for redemption. But we choked tonight. Disagree. We failed to overcome the many obstacles put in our way (poor officiating, no Zeke, etc) and came up short in fighting back. I agree that lessons can be learned from this, but I can't agree that it was a "choke". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Help! I was tied up in a family event this evening and wasn't able to watch the game. Just finished reading this thread and don't know who to believe. Such a diversity of opinion. The result doesn't surprise me at all. There are only a few really dominant teams in college basketball, and even those that are dominant and don't get upset in the regular season often get upset in the NCAA tournament. Sounds like another roller coaster ride to me. I expect these Zips to lose a number of OOC and conference games that most here expect them to win. At the end of the season, it will come down to winning the MAC tournament. In that situation, the Zips could be a better team than last season and still be upset in the MAC tournament. I wonder how the ZN.o faithful would react to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyZip Posted November 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Help! I was tied up in a family event this evening and wasn't able to watch the game. Just finished reading this thread and don't know who to believe. Such a diversity of opinion. The result doesn't surprise me at all. There are only a few really dominant teams in college basketball, and even those that are dominant and don't get upset in the regular season often get upset in the NCAA tournament. Sounds like another roller coaster ride to me. I expect these Zips to lose a number of OOC and conference games that most here expect them to win. At the end of the season, it will come down to winning the MAC tournament. In that situation, the Zips could be a better team than last season and still be upset in the MAC tournament. I wonder how the ZN.o faithful would react to that? I was at the game. Believe me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I really don't know how those refs could call the game they did and still keep a straight face. Who signs their checks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I really don't know how those refs could call the game they did and still keep a straight face. Who signs their checks? 2K Sports Classic Tournament organziers since this is still a part of that....HELLO!!!!!! Still sticking by Zach's theory... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 At the end of the season, it will come down to winning the MAC tournament. Wow...this time-honored line appears so soon? After game 3 (game 2, if you don't count Hiram...and you shouldn't). And a BCS win? Will it change if we beat Duquesne, Detroit, WVa and CSU? It can't...can it? To quote Ralph Wiggum - "That's unpossible." +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I'm so tired of lop-sided officiating, what ever happened to "may the best team win"? If Zeke was in the game for a few more minutes, it could have made a huge difference as well. If given a few more minutes in the game do you think he would have scored a point or gotten a rebound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I'm so tired of lop-sided officiating, what ever happened to "may the best team win"? If Zeke was in the game for a few more minutes, it could have made a huge difference as well. If given a few more minutes in the game do you think he would have scored a point or gotten a rebound. Yes!!! (But not 3.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 This program is too good at everything to be losing games like this. I expect much more out of them....no, I demand much more out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Those refs were not bad refs, they were really good. They did exactly what they were supposed to do. There is no way they were missing calls. No one is that bad. Count me a believer in the gazelle conspiracy. That being said, we could have beaten the refs and valpo and we should have. The team did choke. The seniors disappeared, Zeke, well...and most of all KD was out coached BIG TIME. We historically struggle against the zone and last night was no difference. For 3 consecutive plays at the end of the game, he called time outs and still couldn't draw a play that will put the ball in the hoop. We were up by 5 with 4 min left and we didn't score a point in the last 4 minutes...we also didn't score a point in the first 4 minutes of that half. You can't do that, especially when you play against 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I wouldn't go so far as to call it a choke. I say it was a missed opportunity to establish yourself as a team that can rise above circumstances and defeat a decent team on their home court when the calls are mostly going against you. I believe, just like NBA players who develop a reputation and consequently get "the calls", teams can also help themselves down the line by winning games like this. There's no question Akron whips Valpo 9 out of 10 times on a neutral court with impartial officiating. We'll see how resilient this re-tooled squad is very early in this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I wouldn't go so far as to call it a choke. I say it was a missed opportunity to establish yourself as a team that can rise above circumstances and defeat a decent team on their home court when the calls are mostly going against you. I believe, just like NBA players who develop a reputation and consequently get "the calls", teams can also help themselves down the line by winning games like this. There's no question Akron whips Valpo 9 out of 10 times on a neutral court with impartial officiating. We'll see how resilient this re-tooled squad is very early in this season. +1. Good post. It's obviously not Either-Or. It's Both-And (just like most things). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 At the end of the season, it will come down to winning the MAC tournament. Wow...this time-honored line appears so soon? After game 3 (game 2, if you don't count Hiram...and you shouldn't). And a BCS win? Will it change if we beat Duquesne, Detroit, WVa and CSU? It can't...can it? To quote Ralph Wiggum - "That's unpossible." +1 You're right. I was posting late last night after a little too much wine at a wedding party and left out the part that it will come down to winning the MAC tournament if the Zips have too many games like this one. One loss does not cancel out the power of the MSU victory. The Zips need to take last night's loss as a lesson and make adjustments. They still have a number of quality opponents ahead. Beating enough quality opponents will offset a few losses to lesser teams. But the Zips don't have a big margin here. They are not a perennial NCAA tournament power in the eyes of the NCAA in terms of an at-large bid. They need to beat several stronger opponents and not be upset too many times by lesser teams. The door didn't close last night, but the gap got a little narrower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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