zippy5 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Lots of jealous people in this thread If they can handle a job while playing a D-1 sport, why not? Who are we to stop them from working? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Lots of jealous people in this thread If they can handle a job while playing a D-1 sport, why not? Who are we to stop them from working? They cant. Why would they want to anyways? They are getting all expenses paid for and enough money on the side to live comfortably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 They cant. Why would they want to anyways? They are getting all expenses paid for and enough money on the side to live comfortably. Can't they make that decision for themselves? I don't see why we need to tell someone they can't work. Odds are they weren't going to play D-1 sports, but they did. Maybe they have a kid to care for, and need some extra money. Maybe their parents are sick. If they can't handle it, then they'll get cut or fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Why should they have to sacrifice money for your decisions? This isn't about you, it is about their freedom. You make your choices, they should be free to make theirs. Because the markets dictate what choices they can make. Like it or not, college sports are the way they are, there are thousands of athletes that don't complain about it, in fact, they openly appreciate the opportunity. They are free, and no one is hampering their choices. Maybe if none of those top tier athletes accepted the scholarships the market would have to change, but there are far more people who want to live that way then there are that don't. BTW, $18,000 disposable income is a far cry from poverty. Poverty is based on discretionary income, and even that for an individual is $17,000. You are smart enough to know the difference between disposable and discretionary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally B Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If the players feel they're getting a raw deal and being used; then they're free to leave said institution and play for Akron, where their likeness and jerseys will not be sold or marketed...... Further ro the point, how many players constitute a college roster anyways? How many teams in d1whatever? How many actually make it to the NFL? Average lifespan of an NFL career? 3-4 years at best? Yeah, majoring in football that's a good idea. Here's the truth, athletes are already permited to go to an institution that offers a sports management degree. I would think, like any other student, they are welcome to have outside employment. However, regular students are burdened with a reduction in grants and loan assistance based on outside income. It stands to reason this would apply equally to athletes as well. Legally however, all students and athletes are representative of said institution. As such, the schools have a vested interest in how they conduct themsleves on and off the field. Unfortunately, an additional burden is placed on major athletes due to their visibility. If they choose not to take advantage of the incredible opportunity their talents have provided, well that's life.... it isn't fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 They are free, and no one is hampering their choices. Maybe if none of those top tier athletes accepted the scholarships the market would have to change, but there are far more people who want to live that way then there are that don't. They have no other choice but to live that way. That's the entire problem. If we tell people they either: 1. Take a scholarship and deal with the consequences, or 2. Don't go to college The following situations are created. 1. Players who are not well off will find a way to make money that leads to NCAA problems. Not good for college sports. 2. Players who are not well off don't go to college and their ability for their children to have a better life than them is limited. Not allowing kids to have a job is an idea of the past and needs to go away. I heard a guy on the radio today say, "Don't drag the past into the future." People drag the past into the future because of fear. Fear is a horrible basis for a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 They are free to make theirs. THEY DONT HAVE TO PLAY COLLEGE SPORTS..They dont have to get a free college education, clothes, unlimited food, free boardind, and a stipend that lets them live comfortably (I dont care about what is technically in poverty or not, every college kid is).Man they sure have a tough life. Not only that, but like I said earlier, you are way off if you think any athlete is going to work during the season. They just cant. Its a full time job. It will pain LZip to know that on this post I agree with him 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I don't get it. Let them see if they have time. I have a full time job, who's to tell me I can't work a second job? Especially when these guys have offseasons. What's it matter to you if they work for 3 months waiting at a restaurant in the Spring semester? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 It will pain LZip to know that on this post I agree with him 100%. Im flattered I don't get it. Let them see if they have time. I have a full time job, who's to tell me I can't work a second job? Especially when these guys have offseasons. What's it matter to you if they work for 3 months waiting at a restaurant in the Spring semester? Its just not possible to maintain a job while going to school full-time as well as being a student-athlete, which is a full time job in itself. If it were possible, wouldnt they be allowed? As for your last sentence, athletes CAN work in the offseason. I know many that do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 As for your last sentence, athletes CAN work in the offseason. I know many that do. They are allowed to earn up to $2,000. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to earn more. They are adults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 We sports fans tend to discuss bits and pieces of issues on forums like this one without having spent time trying to research all the details. Who has the time to do a thorough research on the finer details of anything? This brings to mind the old saying about the devil being in the details. It's fairly easy to find the flaws in existing systems. We know that all human systems are flawed because all humans are flawed, so all we have to do is follow the complaints to find the flaws. It's also easy to see what might be right in a hypothetical replacement system if it's specifically set up to correct the flaws in the existing system. But it's not so easy to see the new flaws that will inevitably pop up in the hypothetical replacement system because it requires accurate prediction, which is much more difficult than simple observation. Considering the above, it's interesting to go back and review the origination of the NCAA rule that has allowed scholarship athletes to hold part-time jobs. An article in Diverse Issues in Higher Education immediately after the NCAA convention that voted on and approved the new work rule is filled with many observations worth considering. The one I found most interesting was the following: “It was such an emotional issue at the convention. It’s like apple pie and motherhood, so it was hard to vote against it. But as the convention came to a close, people were saying `Oh, oh. What have we done?’” Student-athletes at work: NCAA work rule will be ‘difficult to monitor.’ – National Collegiate Athletic Association Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Its just not possible to maintain a job while going to school full-time as well as being a student-athlete, which is a full time job in itself. If it were possible, wouldnt they be allowed? As for your last sentence, athletes CAN work in the offseason. I know many that do. Yeah $2,000 big deal. It's not possible? Where's that study? What a dumb argument. If they can't do it, they'll get fired. Let them make those choices for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 `Oh, oh. What have we done?’” I can tell them what they did. They took a step towards sanity in the NCAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally B Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 I have no problem with the NCAA permiting athletes to work, provided their income is accounted for in their scholarships just like every other student Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 We sports fans tend to discuss bits and pieces of issues on forums like this one without having spent time trying to research all the details. Who has the time to do a thorough research on the finer details of anything? This brings to mind the old saying about the devil being in the details. It's fairly easy to find the flaws in existing systems. We know that all human systems are flawed because all humans are flawed, so all we have to do is follow the complaints to find the flaws. It's also easy to see what might be right in a hypothetical replacement system if it's specifically set up to correct the flaws in the existing system. But it's not so easy to see the new flaws that will inevitably pop up in the hypothetical replacement system because it requires accurate prediction, which is much more difficult than simple observation. Considering the above, it's interesting to go back and review the origination of the NCAA rule that has allowed scholarship athletes to hold part-time jobs. An article in Diverse Issues in Higher Education immediately after the NCAA convention that voted on and approved the new work rule is filled with many observations worth considering. The one I found most interesting was the following: “It was such an emotional issue at the convention. It’s like apple pie and motherhood, so it was hard to vote against it. But as the convention came to a close, people were saying `Oh, oh. What have we done?’” Student-athletes at work: NCAA work rule will be ‘difficult to monitor.’ – National Collegiate Athletic Association Two questions. 1. When did the NCAA first prohibit scholarship athletes from working during the school year? 2. Does/did the rule apply only to those getting a free ride, or also to those getting partial scholarships? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Boise State just officially backed out of the Big East. Now the Big East is going after Fresno State and UNLV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Boise State just officially backed out of the Big East. Now the Big East is going after Fresno State and UNLV. Why would either of them want to join a Big East that doesn't have Boise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 The Big East going after UNLV and Fresno State when Akron is sitting right here waiting to be plucked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 The Big East going after UNLV and Fresno State when Akron is sitting right here waiting to be plucked? Isn't it about time for your botox injection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Isn't it about time for your botox injection? Huh? Is that supposed to be a zinger? An LA reference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Huh? Is that supposed to be a zinger? An LA reference? Wait, let me finish my second luscious Duvel of the evening Mmmmm tasty. Sure it was a little cryptic, but you got it. Nice catch. As long as you take every cheap opportunity to belittle UA sports, regardless of how legitimate or lame the comment may be, I will defend the Zips. Cheers! Happy New Year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I lived out in SoCal for 7 years back in the '70s, and I can verify that it tends to warp your sense of reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I lived out in SoCal for 7 years back in the '70s, and I can verify that it tends to warp your sense of reality. Explains alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Wait, let me finish my second luscious Duvel of the evening Mmmmm tasty. Sure it was a little cryptic, but you got it. Nice catch. As long as you take every cheap opportunity to belittle UA sports, regardless of how legitimate or lame the comment may be, I will defend the Zips. Cheers! Happy New Year! So back to substance, you find it perfectly OK that the MAC is so highly respected that, when push comes to shove, the BIG EAST would lure teams on the WEST COAST to join for football, while apparently giving zero consideration to any MAC programs, which are all located in Big East territory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 So back to substance, you find it perfectly OK that the MAC is so highly respected that, when push comes to shove, the BIG EAST would lure teams on the WEST COAST to join for football, while apparently giving zero consideration to any MAC programs, which are all located in Big East territory? Well the Big East is clearly in panic mode at this point. They're determined to keep all remants of the proposed TV market based league together. Contrary to what some here believe, I don't think any MAC school, including UA, brings a decent market to the table. Fresno isn't that big of a market either, but they have a rabid fan base. UNLV brings a market. None of this makes any difference, because I'll be shocked if either Fresno or UNLV decide to leave the MWC for the Big East. So to answer your question, I don't think Akron or any MAC school is on the Big East radar primarily because of market size. I'm not sure I take this as an afront, because I don't think it has all that much to do with the product on the field. I think it's a perfectly acceptable goal for the MAC to compete and hopefully get the better of the Sunbelt, C-USA, the MWC and the Big East among the lower tier of FBS football. The latter two will be challenging, but in 2012 the MAC put itself in good shape to stay ahead of the first two conferences. I realize that doesn't excite everyone, but that's how I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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