akzipper Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 The problem is OU will beat South Florida too. They are a VERY weak team, that really hasn't beat anyone good this year. Not to mention they even lost to VCU (who only beat us in OT). A UNC upset and matchup against Creighton gives them a very easy trip backing into the elite 8. Give us crap about losing in the tourney but at least we played good teams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Both of our last 2 tournament appearances were essentially home games for our opponent. In Portland, the crowd was decidedly in favor of Gonzaga and it goes without saying that Notre Dame was playing on their home turf last year. Eventually the Zips will get a more favorable match up in the tourney and we will finally win one.(or2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZoner Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 The reason I say that OU is built for the short haul is that I don't believe their defense alone is adequate to get the job done consistently against tougher opponents. They need both their offense and defense clicking in order to win, and their offense is too inconsistent because it relies too much on outside shooting that is streaky at best. Having said that, USF certainly looked like a beatable team in the first half last night. But if USF plays against OU like they played against Temple in the second half, OU will need its best defensive and offensive performances to win. My prediction is that OU will be shooting bricks and bring down their brilliant first tournament game shooting percentage closer to their season average. Last night was kind of weird. No transition game and only four offensive rebounds, two of OU's strengths. If they get that back tomorrow night, they can withstand a poor shooting performance (as they have many times). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcat51 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 DJ Cooper gives a shout-out to his conference foes he's likely to face two or three times per season: (Yahoo Sports interview after the victory over Michigan) Then again, Cooper pointed out this wasn’t the first time a school from Ohio’s division has done this to a major-conference program. “We feel the MAC East is really very strong,” Cooper said. “The West isn’t as strong, but the East has had some pretty good wins this year with Akron beating Mississippi State and Can't beating West Virginia. And this one tonight.” When your program takes your next step, don't forget the guys who toughened you up for the the March Madness Competition. Thanks Akron, if you were on par with the MAC West perhaps Ohio wouldn't be battle tested and ready to lay a claim to the Sweet Sixteen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Glad we could help and thanks for giving us that credit. With Toledo & Buffalo both losing, it's up to you guys now. The successes of any/all MAC teams elevates the conference and helps the other MAC schools. Are all of the games being streamed online? I'm thinking OU/USF will get edged out on TV by the other games(?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Glad we could help and thanks for giving us that credit. With Toledo & Buffalo both losing, it's up to you guys now. The successes of any/all MAC teams elevates the conference and helps the other MAC schools. Are all of the games being streamed online? I'm thinking OU/USF will get edged out on TV by the other games(?) The Ohio -v- USF game is on TBS at 7:00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Thanks. Should be a good battle to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 DJ Cooper is an idiot, I really don't care what he has to say. OU is still the 3rd best team in the conference, it could just as easily be Buffalo, Akron, or even Can't in the same exact situation right now. People need to stop acting like OU has dominated our conference. They won the championship by 1 point. That doesn't sound like domination to me. Yeah they probably will beat USF, but really I don't think USF even deserves to be in the tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 DJ Cooper is an idiot, I really don't care what he has to say. OU is still the 3rd best team in the conference, it could just as easily be Buffalo, Akron, or even Can't in the same exact situation right now. People need to stop acting like OU has dominated our conference. They won the championship by 1 point. That doesn't sound like domination to me. Yeah they probably will beat USF, but really I don't think USF even deserves to be in the tourney. I hate both OU and Cooper with a passion, but who said or is acting like they dominated the MAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 DJ Cooper is an idiot, I really don't care what he has to say. OU is still the 3rd best team in the conference, it could just as easily be Buffalo, Akron, or even Can't in the same exact situation right now. People need to stop acting like OU has dominated our conference. They won the championship by 1 point. That doesn't sound like domination to me. Yeah they probably will beat USF, but really I don't think USF even deserves to be in the tourney. There is an old saying, "Everything that could have happened, did." OU is the best program in the MAC right now. With the talent we have, I should be saying that about us. They win games when it matters and the outscored us in three games this season 212-192. The beat us playing their game...they beat us playing our game. They have won games in the NCAA Tournament two of the past three years. We can't seem to win a post season game past the MACT. They are doing what good programs do. We are still in the "building process". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 There is an old saying, "Everything that could have happened, did." OU is the best program in the MAC right now. With the talent we have, I should be saying that about us. They win games when it matters and the outscored us in three games this season 212-192. The beat us playing their game...they beat us playing our game. They have won games in the NCAA Tournament two of the past three years. We can't seem to win a post season game past the MACT. They are doing what good programs do. We are still in the "building process". 11-5 is still 3rd in the MAC. If they were the best team they would have gone 13-3, but that was someone else. They played one of the weakest OOC schedules of any team in the MAC. With only one "major" team in Louisville, a game they lost. So their overall record means nothing to me. You can't say just because they won in the postseason it makes them a better program. Look at who they beat! Georgetown, Michigan, USF, and potentially Creighton. It's not like they beat Patrick Ewing lead Gtown, or the Fab-5 Michigan teams. Just beating a "name" school doesn't mean they beat a good school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpsjugglerdude Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Groce only makes $200k a year, I bet he will jump at any job offering. Any shcool that offers him a job will be able to at least triple that. http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/higher-ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippyman23 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 11-5 is still 3rd in the MAC. If they were the best team they would have gone 13-3, but that was someone else. They played one of the weakest OOC schedules of any team in the MAC. With only one "major" team in Louisville, a game they lost. So their overall record means nothing to me. You can't say just because they won in the postseason it makes them a better program. Look at who they beat! Georgetown, Michigan, USF, and potentially Creighton. It's not like they beat Patrick Ewing lead Gtown, or the Fab-5 Michigan teams. Just beating a "name" school doesn't mean they beat a good school. Doesn't really matter how you try to spin it, winning in the NCAA tournament simply carries more weight. We need to take that next step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 You can't say just because they won in the postseason it makes them a better program. Look at who they beat! Georgetown, Michigan, USF, and potentially Creighton. It's not like they beat Patrick Ewing lead Gtown, or the Fab-5 Michigan teams. Just beating a "name" school doesn't mean they beat a good school. Michigan tied for the lead in the Big Ten. The Big Ten is currently 8-1 in the tournament with the lone loss obviously the OU upset. That's impressive no matter who did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Cooper made the big time with a major story in the Sunday New York Times sports section entitled "Saying No to Majors Was Easy for Ohio Star." Unfortunately you have to sign up for the NYT to read it online. I just happened to pick up a copy of the NYT sports section today and read it. Cooper's chippy attitude is easy to understand when you read about him being a 5-10, 145-pound HS player who didn't like getting pushed around. The way he reacted reminds me a lot of Isaiah Thomas and how he used being small and getting pushed around to develop a chip on his shoulder that he took out on anyone who challenged him. Despite his small size, Cooper was being pursued by several major schools. But Groce really, really went after him hard because he's the exact kind of PG/shooter to run Groce's offense, where the PG is given a lot of freedom to run the show, shoot whenever he wants, etc. Basically, Cooper and Groce were made for each other, so it's no surprise that the combination is producing big results. The NYT also had a big story on Lehigh, with most of it devoted to C.J. McCollum, entitled "Once Ignored, Lehigh Guard Has Everyone's Attention Now." Before his growth spurt to 6-3, McCollum was even smaller than Cooper at 5-6, and called himself "a shooting guard in a point-guard frame." The article compares him with Stephen Curry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 OU started off with hot shooting against USF and took a 12-6 lead, then started shooting bricks for 8 minutes and fell behind, 12-16. OU trails at halftime, 21-27. I had predicted that OU would be shooting bricks in this game. They'll have to heat up in the 2nd half to prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 How about UNC's PG broke his wrist today, Ohio's opponent in the next round. Isn't it funny the luck they're getting? wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 OU hitting 50% of their 3s and leading 52-46 with 5 minutes left. If they keep shooting like this, the prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 How about UNC's PG broke his wrist today, Ohio's opponent in the next round. Isn't it funny the luck they're getting? wow They get all the luck, don't they? We never seem to have any. Still, if they go on a run, I'm fine with it. We get a nice paycheck from the NCAA for every OU tourney win. And when we win the MAC next year a run this year helps them make a case for an at-large bid. The MAC needs to get respect any way they can and they say "a rising tide lifts all boats" and we're the second-highest boat right now. An OU run benefits Akron more than any other MAC school. Both times they beat us it was by the skin of DJ Cooper's teeth. In the past four years, it's been all Akron and Ohio. We're kind of like the St. Mary's to their Gonzaga or the Southern Miss to their Memphis. We need them to go on a run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 They get all the luck, don't they? We never seem to have any. Still, if they go on a run, I'm fine with it. We get a nice paycheck from the NCAA for every OU tourney win. And when we win the MAC next year a run this year helps them make a case for an at-large bid. The MAC needs to get respect any way they can and they say "a rising tide lifts all boats" and we're the second-highest boat right now. An OU run benefits Akron more than any other MAC school. Both times they beat us it was by the skin of DJ Cooper's teeth. In the past four years, it's been all Akron and Ohio. We're kind of like the St. Mary's to their Gonzaga or the Southern Miss to their Memphis. We need them to go on a run. And your wish came true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 How about UNC's PG broke his wrist today, Ohio's opponent in the next round. Isn't it funny the luck they're getting? wow I still think UNC wins handily. I'm not sure who stops Zeller and Henson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 And your wish came true. I didn't wish for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Lots of credit to OU. Tonight was like watching a replay of how they played the Zips. You know exactly what OU is going to do, and it's up to you to come up with a game plan to defeat their style. Roy Williams is just the kind of coach to draw up a plan to strangle the Bobkitties. But the one player you don't want missing when you go up against OU is your starting PG. This is going to be interesting. And, by the way, every game that OU wins in the NCAA tournament by more than 1 point makes the Zips' performance at the Q look all that much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 And, by the way, every game that OU wins in the NCAA tournament by more than 1 point makes the Zips' performance at the Q look all that much better. If we had won an NIT game or were in the midst of a deep NIT run, I might agree. As it is, OU is straight up the better team, and we are sitting at home envious of another program, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 If we had won an NIT game or were in the midst of a deep NIT run, I might agree. As it is, OU is straight up the better team, and we are sitting at home envious of another program, again. But just think. If they win the National Championship, we beat the national champions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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