NewZipsFan Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 In all honesty I just don't think he's good. But I'm in no way a football genius, or scout. He just didn't impress me in the spring game, but I guess in his defense none of the 3 did. Hopefully they step in up this fall. All I know is that Coach Bowden will name a starting QB when he is comfortable doing so. And I'm confident that whoever that is, will be the best person for the job. I watched the Spring Game -- and I also looked at the stats. How ya'll can say that Dalton didn't look good is what's puzzling to me. I don't have a "dog in this fight"... I want the starter to be whoever gives us the best chance to win football games. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 That tells me that the QB position is not in great shape. No way. I bet you think the sun will set in the west tomorrow too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 All I know is that Coach Bowden will name a starting QB when he is comfortable doing so. And I'm confident that whoever that is, will be the best person for the job. I watched the Spring Game -- and I also looked at the stats. How ya'll can say that Dalton didn't look good is what's puzzling to me. I don't have a "dog in this fight"... I want the starter to be whoever gives us the best chance to win football games. Period. Did you just recently move here from the South? I agree with you on most of this, and Dalton did have good numbers during that Spring Game, but had some blatant errors too. What it means down the road, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZipsFan Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Did you just recently move here from the South? I agree with you on most of this, and Dalton did have good numbers during that Spring Game, but had some blatant errors too. What it means down the road, who knows. Yep - sure did. But I am now calling coke and all sodas, "pop".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZipsFan Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Not to continue to , but I just went back and looked at the stats again from the Spring Game. Remember that the QBs rotated with both teams.. Here are their stats (the left column is when they were playing with the 2's, right column is with/against the 1's:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Not to continue to , but I just went back and looked at the stats again from the Spring Game. Remember that the QBs rotated with both teams.. Here are their stats (the left column is when they were playing with the 2's, right column is with/against the 1's:) The ints Williams throws scare the crap out of me. Adjusted for the number of times he will throw in a real college game, he could average around three per game. Moore takes too many sacks, but I'd rather have a sack than an int. Pohl had the best day, but not by much. Two sacks worry me, but no ints. Tanner Price? I don't think the #1 question Bowden has before him centers around stats. I think his decision will be more philosophical around the QB position for one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZipsFan Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 The ints Williams throws scare the crap out of me. Adjusted for the number of times he will throw in a real college game, he could average around three per game. Moore takes too many sacks, but I'd rather have a sack than an int. Pohl had the best day, but not by much. Two sacks worry me, but no ints. Tanner Price? I don't think the #1 question Bowden has before him centers around stats. I think his decision will be more philosophical around the QB position for one year. Well --- stats do lie sometimes... Dalton's INTs came against the first team defense (obviously -- VERY good for our Defense)... and I don't think Kyle got as many reps as they would have liked - with the way the game was set up, the 2nd half was over very quickly. And of course -- this was JUST the Spring Game. The one thing Coach Bowden hates more than anything -- is MISTAKES. I've been saying this all along -- he wants a QB with a great grasp of the offense, great decision making skills, poise under pressure, AND great confidence. The QB MUST understand this offense's philosophy - and follow it. High percentage plays, quick tempo, get the ball into the hands of the playmakers, and NO turnovers. Whoever demonstrates the best of those abilities, will be our starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I thought several of dalton's interceptions were on plays where he just threw the ball up for grabs when it became obvious that he was going to get sacked. Sacked meaning touched by a defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Yep - sure did. But I am now calling coke and all sodas, "pop".... If you've started saying POP, you're truly making the transition to being a Yankee !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Well --- stats do lie sometimes... Dalton's INTs came against the first team defense (obviously -- VERY good for our Defense)... and I don't think Kyle got as many reps as they would have liked - with the way the game was set up, the 2nd half was over very quickly. And of course -- this was JUST the Spring Game. The one thing Coach Bowden hates more than anything -- is MISTAKES. I've been saying this all along -- he wants a QB with a great grasp of the offense, great decision making skills, poise under pressure, AND great confidence. The QB MUST understand this offense's philosophy - and follow it. High percentage plays, quick tempo, get the ball into the hands of the playmakers, and NO turnovers. Whoever demonstrates the best of those abilities, will be our starter. Pohl didn't have the best day. Williams threw the ball 50+ times. Get used to it. There will be picks running this offense. Won't matter who is the QB. Main thing is a QB who can make quick decisions,throw over the middle on crossing patterns and throw the ball away when nothing is there. Can't have passes knocked down,can't take sacks. Moore had a couple of nice runs. That doesn't make this offense go. Rythmn passes and runs make this work. Not sacks,batted passes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I watched Tino Sunseri struggle with this offense so bad last year at Pitt. Hopefully whoever starts can get rid of the ball quick. Quick releases are key. QBs that lock on receivers and take time to get rid of it struggle so bad in this kind of offense. If he can throw a deep ball once in a while it will really open it up as well. Basically, I'm going to be really miserable if we end up with our version of Tino Sunseri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo42 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 This shit is pissing me off yall do not know the offense nor understand it Pitt didn't run the offense that the zips are running. Also if you knew the offense and understood it you guys will not say half of the crap y'all say cause that's what it is big crap. Wrs and Qbs have to see the same thing because each play a wr can run three different routes depending on the coverage so don't critique when you don't know the answer. Akron offense is on trigonometry while y'all still trying to learn algebra. PLEASE STOP Thanks for your time GOD BLESS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 It's still a very legitimate question to ask how a guy who was not a starter at a lower level could suddenly be considered good enough to be a starter at the highest level. Who was originally recruting him? Why didn't he just go to another FCS school to try to become a starter? Was anyone else pursuing him? Did we discover this "hidden gem", and everyone else was somehow asleep at the wheel? I don't know much, so I still obviously have a lot of questions. He's not trying to become a starter at the highest level, he's trying to become the starter here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 He's not trying to become a starter at the highest level, he's trying to become the starter here. haha we're the lowest level at the highest level, if that makes any sense. Honestly don't think Williams is good enough to get this teams wins. Just not impressed with his play that I've seen so far, and his college career as a backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 This shit is pissing me off yall do not know the offense nor understand it Pitt didn't run the offense that the zips are running. Also if you knew the offense and understood it you guys will not say half of the crap y'all say cause that's what it is big crap. Wrs and Qbs have to see the same thing because each play a wr can run three different routes depending on the coverage so don't critique when you don't know the answer. Akron offense is on trigonometry while y'all still trying to learn algebra. PLEASE STOP Thanks for your time GOD BLESS Obviously, I've yet to see an Akron game in this offense, but it sounds pretty similar. Quick reads, high tempo, run as many plays as possible. Doesn't sound like Terry is going to use the read option, but besides that I see (hear) a lot of similarities. GOD BLESS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Wrs and Qbs have to see the same thing because each play a wr can run three different routes depending on the coverageThis is good info to know. I remember when Kevin Gilbride come to Pittsburgh under Cowher to coach Kordell and the offense. Gilbride run an offense where the WR and QB had to read the same thing at the line. It requires a great understanding of the offense (and opposing defense) by both. Bad fit for the Steelers fans/Cowher/Kordell. Apples and oranges to what is going on at Akron, but I now understand why coach Bowden brought in a QB that understands the offense. Thanks Hugo. PS I would LOVE to see the playbook. That would make it really fun to watch games for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Pohl didn't have the best day. Williams threw the ball 50+ times. Get used to it. There will be picks running this offense. Won't matter who is the QB. Main thing is a QB who can make quick decisions,throw over the middle on crossing patterns and throw the ball away when nothing is there. Can't have passes knocked down,can't take sacks. Moore had a couple of nice runs. That doesn't make this offense go. Rythmn passes and runs make this work. Not sacks,batted passes.... There will be some picks, but two in a spring game is a lot. Average it out to three a game when the bullets are flying for real and it becomes a weekly disaster. I'd rather have a batted pass or a sack than an int. Worst case, sacks and batted passes result in punts and favorable field position changes. Ints result in defensive TD for the other team and shorter fields. I don't see how an int is more favorable. From what we are reading, Bowden isn't going to put up with a player who gives the ball to the other team. He wants smart QBs who play the percentages. If Williams can cut down on the ints, he is the man. If not, he is a liability in the worst way. The QB decision next year will not be a fun one to make as the coach is deciding between who will provide the Zips with the least liability. As happy as we are with the changes, the Zips aren't out of the woods yet and a decsion like this is proof of that. I know this isn't the NFL, but the comparison is still pretty close. In the NFL, if a team doesn't throw an int, they have an 80% chance of winning. One int and the number goes down to 60%. Two ints and the number goes down to 40%. Three and there is almost no shot at winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 There will be some picks, but two in a spring game is a lot.Consider what Hugo mentioned. In this offense, a lot of times picks are not the fault of the QB, the receiver doesn't make the proper read, the QB does. He throws it right to a defender where the WR should have been. Think Neil O'Donnell to Larry Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Consider what Hugo mentioned. In this offense, a lot of times picks are not the fault of the QB, the receiver doesn't make the proper read, the QB does. He throws it right to a defender where the WR should have been. Think Neil O'Donnell to Larry Brown. I totally understand. However, if a QB is throwing 3 ints a game, at some point it can't always be the fault of the other five guys and that one guy is always making the right read while everyone else is doing the wrong thing. An int can be the result of a DB making a great play, or a poorly thrown pass, or just a brain fart, etc. Either way, ints matter and it falls on the shoulders of the guy throwing the ball. Regardless of the starter next year, if the QB is trowing three ints a game, the rest of the team will lose confidence in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZipsFan Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Obviously, I've yet to see an Akron game in this offense, but it sounds pretty similar. Quick reads, high tempo, run as many plays as possible. Doesn't sound like Terry is going to use the read option, but besides that I see (hear) a lot of similarities. GOD BLESS If you want to see our offense -- watch Oklahoma State and WVU. Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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