Captain Kangaroo Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I don't know if Moore would have been able to win us games, but I do bet he is better than Dalton Williams. The aptly-named "Ole Miss" was the worst QB to start 12 football games in the history of UA football. Once a Coach with a clue watched 4 minutes of a spring practice, he knew what he had to do. I wish him well. But he was a terrible QB. Hence being 3rd string, behind a RS Freshman and a 5th-year 1-AA player who's thrown only slightly more game day passes than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Cap'n with respect...your love affair with Nicely couldn't beat out the "worst qb" so I'm not sure what you are getting at with your slam of Moore. The guy is gone let him go and enjoy himself elsewhere. Your choice fell was behind him on the depth chart so what does that say about your choice? He fell all the way to a crappy Division II program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Cap'n with respect...your love affair with Nicely couldn't beat out the "worst qb" so I'm not sure what you are getting at with your slam of Moore. The guy is gone let him go and enjoy himself elsewhere. Your choice fell was behind him on the depth chart so what does that say about your choice? He fell all the way to a crappy Division II program. I answered your incessant "Nicely Love Affair" topic in-detail a while ago. I'm not repeating myself. My post above had nothing to do with Nicely. Zero. Give it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Cap'n with respect...your love affair with Nicely couldn't beat out the "worst qb" so I'm not sure what you are getting at with your slam of Moore. The guy is gone let him go and enjoy himself elsewhere. Your choice fell behind him on the depth chart so what does that say about your choice? He fell all the way to a crappy Division II program. Couldn't have said it better myself. And their respective QB ratings tell a similar story, with Moore working with far less talent than Nicely had around him. Moore didn't do a lot here, but he sure beat the alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottditzen Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Couldn't have said it better myself. And their respective QB ratings tell a similar story, with Moore working with far less talent than Nicely had around him. Moore didn't do a lot here, but he sure beat the alternative. They were both Akron Zips and they both played hard. For the love of God, lets move past the Ianello curse and on to the present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 If anyone is curious about what the best way to build a program is, I have the answer... WIN SOME DAMN GAMES! I see people (not Akron people) talking about "quick rebuilds" and "exit strategies". No, TB wants to win games because the number one program builder is winning. Winning creates exposure, winning attracts talent. If TB feels that Williams is the best at running the offense right now, then that is who you start right now because you play the game right now, not next year, not when MAC competition starts. You play to win the game, not to develop a player. Practice is for development, game time is for playing the dadgum game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I don't know if Moore would have been able to win us games, but I do bet he is better than Dalton Williams. I feel bad for him for what went down last season, but really don't think this transfer should be making so many people, so negative. I will not hide that I was in the Clayton Moore corner, but I trust TB's judgement that Dalton Williams give us a better chance to win games than Moore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Is anyone except for me impressed with the way TB handled Moore? After Coach I, I believed, and still believe, every player should be given a shot. Moore deserved at least a shot and TB gave him one. He didn't produce and he is gone. TB didn't string him our for another year and provided him complete honesty as to his future as a Zip, which shows the professionalism of the coach. The real question is....What do you do if you are Moore? He transfered from Miss...He went to a Juco and did well there....He came to Akron and was at the center of the worst point ever in the history of the program. He should be at least two years from graduating. Does he give it up, go back to Mississippi and graduate?...That's what I would do if I was him. Put it all behind and become a regular student then get a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Arena football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Is anyone except for me impressed with the way TB handled Moore? After Coach I, I believed, and still believe, every player should be given a shot. Moore deserved at least a shot and TB gave him one. He didn't produce and he is gone. TB didn't string him our for another year and provided him complete honesty as to his future as a Zip, which shows the professionalism of the coach. The real question is....What do you do if you are Moore? He transfered from Miss...He went to a Juco and did well there....He came to Akron and was at the center of the worst point ever in the history of the program. He should be at least two years from graduating. Does he give it up, go back to Mississippi and graduate?...That's what I would do if I was him. Put it all behind and become a regular student then get a job. Not that TB needs our approval. But he is doing this appropriately on several levels. 1) He properly evaluated the talent he has at the position. He probably saw early on that Moore was not a fit for a system that requires a quick read,quick realese from a 'pocket' situation. (Still have to wonder what Ianello was thinking trying to fit Moore into a 'pro' style offense.) 2) TB is giving Moore at least some opportunity to hook on elsewhere if he so desires. 3) TB is obviously looking 2-3 years down the road and trying to develop players who might be ready to win when he has more parts in place. The Zips need one of the younger QB's,Pohl or whomever to be ready to play at a high level next year and the next year and the next year. 4) TB knows there are not enough pieces in place at this point to win consistently. But, he is hoping that he can get enough improved performance at the QB position to at least be more competetive this year. That wasn't going to happen with Moore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 (Still have to wonder what Ianello was thinking trying to fit Moore into a 'pro' style offense.) /quote] In addition, you have to wonder why Moore came to Akron in the first place? Who gave him the advice and why did he take it? There are enough MAClike schools out there he could have gone to a school that was a better fit for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Dalton Williams will start, but redshirt freshman Kyle Pohl is the most likely to overtake him. There's also true freshman Tyrell Goodman and sophomore transfer (from Lake Erie College) Curtis Watson. I had read somewhere that Moore was listed on the depth chart as 3rd string. Don't know how accurate that was, since I didn't think they had depth charts figured out yet. Don't know anything about Williams, but honestly I see him as the Jake Delhomme of this season. An older guy who no one really wants, knows the offense and will only be around for the first year of a new regime, at most while younger/better QB's develop. Only difference is Delhomme actually had success before he ended up with the Browns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I had read somewhere that Moore was listed on the depth chart as 3rd string. Don't know how accurate that was, since I didn't think they had depth charts figured out yet.From coach, to ZN members at the golf outing. If coach says it, I'm tending to believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I had read somewhere that Moore was listed on the depth chart as 3rd string. Don't know how accurate that was, since I didn't think they had depth charts figured out yet. Don't know anything about Williams, but honestly I see him as the Jake Delhomme of this season. An older guy who no one really wants, knows the offense and will only be around for the first year of a new regime, at most while younger/better QB's develop. Only difference is Delhomme actually had success before he ended up with the Browns 1) He WAS 3rd on the depth chart. 2) He will only be around one year, because he is a senior. Also, whats it saying if a QB "that has never had success" and a freshman QB can come in and beat out our starter from last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 1) He WAS 3rd on the depth chart. 2) He will only be around one year, because he is a senior. Also, whats it saying if a QB "that has never had success" and a freshman QB can come in and beat out our starter from last year? I'll bet the Capt has an opinion on whats it saying if a QB "that has never had success" and a freshman QB can come in and beat out our starter from last year who, in turn, beat out our previous starting QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I'll bet the Capt has an opinion on whats it saying if a QB "that has never had success" and a freshman QB can come in and beat out our starter from last year who, in turn, beat out our previous starting QB? I don't think any of this is really about past competition. It is about fit. Moore has had success in his life as a QB. It didn't come in a pro style offense and didn't come in a heavily pass oriented spread offense. It came in a spread where the QB ran more than TBs offense is designed for him to run. Moore playing in Coach I's offense was trying to put a square peg into a round hold and he didn't fit. The same could be said for TB using him in his offense. He wouldn't be a fit for TBs offense either so he has to move on. If Moore wants to play again, he needs to find a program that runs the type of offense he is suited to play. He is more Julian Edelman than Weeden. He made a terrible decision to come to Akron in the first place. It was never a fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 Jackson State Signs Moore Clayton Moore, a former Clarion-Ledger Dandy Dozen, who went on to sign with Ole Miss out of Louisville High School, has signed with Jackson State. Moore picked JSU over fellow SWAC member Alcorn State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 Jackson State Signs Moore Clayton Moore, a former Clarion-Ledger Dandy Dozen, who went on to sign with Ole Miss out of Louisville High School, has signed with Jackson State. Moore picked JSU over fellow SWAC member Alcorn State. Nice find. Good for CM8. It'll be interesting to see if he can win the starting QB job there. I had never really thought about this before, but if he was intent on transferring down to FCS AND going back to Mississippi, he had no other choice but to attend an HBCU school. Maybe if things work out for him there, he could get a shot at Ole Miss in the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 Here is another article on CM8's transfer. It's certainly understandable that he'd want to be closer to his ailing mother. I wish you the best in all of your dealings, Clayton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 Here is another article on CM8's transfer. It's certainly understandable that he'd want to be closer to his ailing mother. I wish you the best in all of your dealings, Clayton. +1 Too often in college sports fans make it personal when a guy fails on the field. Clayton Moore failed not because he didn't give an effort or do all the right things, but because his talents didn't suit what he was asked to do. We need to remember sometimes that these are 18-23 year old kids who are put in the situations they are put in by 30-60 year old coaches who sometimes don't put them in positions to succeed. I hope Clayton has found a spot where they will use his God-given talents in a way that can give him an opportunity for success. I'm glad he can be closer to his mother and I wish nothing but the best for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip403 Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 I have stayed off the boards for the summer,,but cant stop Laughing now when I read about Moore Leaving,hahahah Everyone on Zipsnation was all over The Lone Ranger,,,how great he is and how bad Nicely was,,,so now the great Clayton has rode off,,,WOW, Why isnt everyone bashing Bowden for running of the great savior Mr Moore !!!!,,I live in texas,,and have seen Williams play, He COULDNT handle things at SFA a 1AA,,,,and got beat out,,but NOW,is the starter for a d1???? He must have some good dirt on Coach Bowden.. Its going to be another LOOOOOONG season in Akron..and I think you will find the only thing Bowden is good at is EATING,,,,Just because your DAD is a great Coach doesnt mean as a son that YOUR A GREAT COACH ALSO,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 I have stayed off the boards for the summer,,but cant stop Laughing now when I read about Moore Leaving,hahahah Everyone on Zipsnation was all over The Lone Ranger,,,how great he is and how bad Nicely was,,,so now the great Clayton has rode off,,,WOW, Why isnt everyone bashing Bowden for running of the great savior Mr Moore !!!!,,I live in texas,,and have seen Williams play, He COULDNT handle things at SFA a 1AA,,,,and got beat out,,but NOW,is the starter for a d1???? He must have some good dirt on Coach Bowden.. Its going to be another LOOOOOONG season in Akron..and I think you will find the only thing Bowden is good at is EATING,,,,Just because your DAD is a great Coach doesnt mean as a son that YOUR A GREAT COACH ALSO,,,, I propose that we close all nominations. We clearly have the winner of the "most ignorant post of the year" right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 The Lone Ranger,,,how great he is and how bad Nicely was Just because your DAD is a great Coach doesnt mean as a son that YOUR A GREAT COACH ALSO,,,, As far as the first line, leave Captain Kangaroo out of this. I couldn't agree more with the second statement. What your name is doesn't matter. What you do matters. If I told you a college football coach had winning records in 14 of 18 seasons, was the National Coach of the Year, went undefeated in the SEC and made the playoffs in 5 of 10 seasons in the lower divisions at two different schools, would you call that person a great coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 I have stayed off the boards for the summer,,but cant stop Laughing now when I read about Moore Leaving,hahahah Everyone on Zipsnation was all over The Lone Ranger,,,how great he is and how bad Nicely was,,,so now the great Clayton has rode off,,,WOW, Why isnt everyone bashing Bowden for running of the great savior Mr Moore !!!!,,I live in texas,,and have seen Williams play, He COULDNT handle things at SFA a 1AA,,,,and got beat out,,but NOW,is the starter for a d1???? He must have some good dirt on Coach Bowden.. Its going to be another LOOOOOONG season in Akron..and I think you will find the only thing Bowden is good at is EATING,,,,Just because your DAD is a great Coach doesnt mean as a son that YOUR A GREAT COACH ALSO,,,, I think its too early to tell whether or not Terry's kids will be great coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 I have stayed off the boards for the summer Hopefully you will continue that trend through the fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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