Lee Adams Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 It got brought up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba4three Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Terrible Defense, but those 2 or 3 personal fouls on us at the end should not have been called. I officiate soccer and I've been taught to not call a foul in the box unless it's "a good one" b/c it's such a big call to make and you have to be certain. The same principle should be applied for close football games like the one yesterday. Let the players play You weren't the AR at the Highland/Hoban game who overruled a PK called against Hoban and then disallowed a Highland goal with 10 seconds remaining, were you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontrealExposloveZippy Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 You weren't the AR at the Highland/Hoban game who overruled a PK called against Hoban and then disallowed a Highland goal with 10 seconds remaining, were you? No, it's against my religion to officiate a soccer game where a Catholic team is playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 ....cudos to Miami for a great game plan.. but when it was coming down to the wire - these kids were making stops (i.e 4th and 1s at Tennessee as well as last night) - but the refs made horrific calls that determined the outcome.Every time Miami needed a first down (on third down) they used the same 3 WR to one side set. We had NO defense for that formation and outcome. I kept hoping for 3 and short instead of third and long. If an opposing team runs middle, we have a good chance of stopping them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Every time Miami needed a first down they used the same 3 WR to one side set. We had NO defense for that formation and outcome. I kept hoping for 3 and short instead of third and long. If an opposing team runs middle, we have a good chance of stopping them. It's interesting and timely that you bring this up. Lou Holtz, when he can be understood, makes some really good points on ESPN. He made a point about team over thinking defending the spread offense. Particularly, the three wide sets we see. It isn't just resulting in completions, but it is resulting in a huge amount of yards gained after the catch. Holtz believes teams are over thinking these plays at the start of the play and coverage assignments are being botched at alarming rates because of the complications. The botched coverage is resulting in poor tackling and the poor tackling is resulting in 50+ point games on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Overall, I agree with Holtz. I have seen a ton of terrible tackling on that play, even in the NFL this year. In this game, it was not terrible tackling, receivers were getting very open on that set. It was confusion in the secondary. The few times the Zips did have good coverage, Dysert burnt them by running the ball. I thought Zac played an awesome game...as did Dalton. The refs really robbed football fans of a good game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I have no arguments about how confused our defense looked when Miami lined up with 5 receiver sets. With only one linebacker on the field, we had no answer for Dysert when he waited until his receivers took all our d-backs deep and then took off running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I have no arguments about how confused our defense looked when Miami lined up with 5 receiver sets. With only one linebacker on the field, we had no answer for Dysert when he waited until his receivers took all our d-backs deep and then took off running. It's the beauty of the spread offense. Even though we lost, we still put up 49 points, so there must have been some confusion on Miami's end as well. Miami and Akron are perfect examples of how a well executed spread offense can change a team for the better. The ability of a QB to get yards running has always been something I watch and enjoy with the spread offense. I'm not interested in watching the QB run a lot, but when the opportunity presents itself, I'd like the Zips to be able to take advantage of it. Our QB rushed for zero yards Saturday. Miami's QB rushed for 100+ yards. The running QB is the "X Factor" in this offense and the teams that really do it well have that. That's the only criticism I can push TB's way with this offense. It could be the difference between just making a bowl and winning the MAC in years to come. It may not seem like it now, but Akron is better. We have an improved offense and kicking game. Over half of our problems are solved. The defense can be fixed enough to win six games next year with improvements this off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I'm not interested in watching the QB run a lot, but when the opportunity presents itself, I'd like the Zips to be able to take advantage of it. Our QB rushed for zero yards Saturday. Miami's QB rushed for 100+ yards. The running QB is the "X Factor" in this offense and the teams that really do it well have that. That's the only criticism I can push TB's way with this offense. It could be the difference between just making a bowl and winning the MAC in years to come.You might have a tough time with this. As I posted before, TB told us that he doesn't like his QB to run because if he is at the bottom of the pile, he can't get the next play efficiently. TB doesn't forbid him to run, he just prefers he does not. I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just reporting what he told us. A few times when Zac ran, there was nobody around him for 25 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Our QB rushed for zero yards Saturday. Miami's QB rushed for 100+ yards. The running QB is the "X Factor" in this offense and the teams that really do it well have that. That's the only criticism I can push TB's way with this offense. It could be the difference between just making a bowl and winning the MAC in years to come. Our RB's ran for around 185 yards and 3 TDs, so I think it is a wash between their QB running, or the Zips' RB's running. We simply don't have the numbers on defense to beat a 5-man spread. Too thin on talent due to [1-11] x 2. And injuries. If we had a healthy March in that game, then we make the stop or two over the course of the game needed to win it. Gilmer was a sub LB playing starter's minutes at DB. To quote Dennis Hopper smelling Bruce Smith's shoe: "Bad things, man...bad things..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jupitertoo Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Our RB's ran for around 185 yards and 3 TDs, so I think it is a wash between their QB running, or the Zips' RB's running. We simply don't have the numbers on defense to beat a 5-man spread. Too thin on talent due to [1-11] x 2. And injuries. If we had a healthy March in that game, then we make the stop or two over the course of the game needed to win it. Gilmer was a sub LB playing starter's minutes at DB. To quote Dennis Hopper smelling Bruce Smith's shoe: "Bad things, man...bad things..." Will Fleming should be playing D. He's at least an athlete with some size and speed and he's nothing more than a decoy as FB right now. Never touches the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I wonder why Rossi didn't play much? Is he fast enough to be the only linebacker in the Dime defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 82 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Having to work Saturday, I listened to Frenchy call the game but could only catch replays via espn's scoreboard, which unfortunately were pretty much excluded to scoring plays. Frenchy and Joe Dunn both were adamant about both of those helment-to-helmet calls being horrible calls, especially with the game on the line. They were equally adamant about the bogus call late in the second quarter that led to a Miami score. I know they're homers, but they didn't think any of them were even close calls. That said, though, I agree with the sentiment that our defensive effort overall was a greater factor than the bad officiating. You just can't give up 700-plus yards and expect to win. And kudos to Dysert. He played out of his mind. Still, I continue to be more than impressed with the way Dalton Williams and the offense have blossomed in the new spread. We can and will score points on anybody, and especially in the MAC. Coach Amato has his hands full this week getting ready for BG, but I still believe he's a quality coach who can help his kids continue to get better. Go ZIPS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 The two calls hurt, no doubt. At least one of them was a terrible call. My impression is that as the "institution" of football, led by the NFL, works toward the lessening of head injury to players, or at least toward creating the impression that the game cares about these injuries, many bang bang plays that involve impact to the helmet and/or the snapping of the offensive player's head, will bring the yellow flag whether warranted or not. I'm just adjusting my expectations in games to expect the flag in these situations. Really though, overall, I prefer to wish that the Zips had played defense today. It's always so easy to blame the refs. If we stop even one of the Miami drives in the second half we win the game. Lastly, I must say that it's awesome that in a thread involving DIG, I'm the less emotional one, possibly more clinical in my analysis in this case. I can't remember the last time that was the case. KEEP UP THE PASSION DAVE IN GREEN! NZF is surely rubbing off on you and I like it! Ha! You think I'm being emotional just because I lost my voice from yelling at the refs? Ha! You think I'm being emotional because for the first time in more than a half century of attending ball games I stood up and gave the refs a lefty-righty double-digit salute? Ha! You think I was predisposed to being emotional about the reffing after continuously yelling throughout the game for the Zips defense to get their assignments right and at least appear to be covering Miami's receivers? Ha! You are so right. The Zips could still have won that game if they'd played just a little bit better or not received so many questionable calls. The team needs to ignore the bad calls and stay focused on what they can control, which is how they play the game. Fans, on the other hand, have a right and an obligation to sound off about everything that goes wrong in a game. For the last couple of years, the refs didn't really matter. If all the calls had gone against our opponents, the Zips still wouldn't have won many games. Now that the Zips are competitive, the refs can make a difference between winning and losing, as they did Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZipsFan Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 It's interesting and timely that you bring this up. Lou Holtz, when he can be understood, makes some really good points on ESPN. He made a point about team over thinking defending the spread offense. Particularly, the three wide sets we see. It isn't just resulting in completions, but it is resulting in a huge amount of yards gained after the catch. Holtz believes teams are over thinking these plays at the start of the play and coverage assignments are being botched at alarming rates because of the complications. The botched coverage is resulting in poor tackling and the poor tackling is resulting in 50+ point games on a regular basis. Very good point. What was interesting to me - was in Coach Bowden's post game PC, he said that in practice, our Offense can barely ever get open against our Defense... Guarantee things will look a whole lot different this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips Win! Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Having to work Saturday, I listened to Frenchy call the game but could only catch replays via espn's scoreboard, which unfortunately were pretty much excluded to scoring plays. Frenchy and Joe Dunn both were adamant about both of those helment-to-helmet calls being horrible calls, especially with the game on the line. They were equally adamant about the bogus call late in the second quarter that led to a Miami score. I know they're homers, but they didn't think any of them were even close calls. Well, maybe. But didn't he also say it was Imani Davis on the 70 yard TD run versus UT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZipsFan Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Well, maybe. But didn't he also say it was Imani Davis on the 70 yard TD run versus UT? Imani wears #12 and Quentin wears #32 -- from where the announcers have to broadcast the game from (WAYYYY up top at Rocky Top) - I can understand why it may be difficulty to see the #'s correctly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips Win! Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Imani wears #12 and Quentin wears #32 -- from where the announcers have to broadcast the game from (WAYYYY up top at Rocky Top) - I can understand why it may be difficulty to see the #'s correctly.... Well, take a raido and headset to the game Saturday and listen for 1/2 of the game and then you will understand what I mean... BTW, I was WAYYYY up top at Rocky Top and I knew it was Hines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 82 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Well, maybe. But didn't he also say it was Imani Davis on the 70 yard TD run versus UT? Lol... yeah. Steve also got Dee Friesen mixed up with another guy on a TD catch. But Dunn was on the sidelines and said the play was right in front of him. Anyway... I take it all with a grain of salt. Next to Nev Chandler, Frenchy is my favorite homer announcer of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips Win! Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Lol... yeah. Steve also got Dee Friesen mixed up with another guy on a TD catch. But Dunn was on the sidelines and said the play was right in front of him. Anyway... I take it all with a grain of salt. Next to Nev Chandler, Frenchy is my favorite homer announcer of all time. Just call the game correctly or find someone who can!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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