Bowden Says JAR Needs Replaced

[legendofzippy]

I think virtually no shot is about right. How many Butlers or equivalent do you see in the championship game over the past 20 years?

This is exactly what I meant. MAC teams make the tournament every year, yet we're still waiting on our first Final 4 appearance. It's not impossible, but boy it's close.

Again, who cares. We're lucky to have very talented teams right now, let's enjoy the ride.

[Spin]

I do enjoy it, in fact my season tix just came in the mail today for football. This is the first time I'm attempting all of the games.

OT, are kids under 5 free? The grandkids will be here and I might just bring one of them to the game.

[Spin]

somebody can correct me if I am wrong. i thought the basketball team always made money .the football team loses money. that's why they have to go on the road.

all the mac fb teams go on the road for money games.i don't know where the term the fb team is propping up the basketball team comes from.if the b-ball team makes money

what does that have to do with football?

According to Zac, football losing the B10 revenue would be a financial disaster for the other programs.

QUOTE(Spin @ Sep 2 2013, 05:31 PM)One program dropping to a lower sub of DI does not have ONE SINGLE THING to do with any of the other programs.

Except eliminating millions of dollars in funding for those other programs.

[ZachTheZip]

According to Zac, football losing the B10 revenue would be a financial disaster for the other programs.

Except eliminating millions of dollars in funding for those other programs.

The payday games are only part of the equation. That's about $1 million a year. Dropping football down means having to leave the MAC, which means losing TV and Bowl revenue which is currently about $1 million for the athletic department and under the new playoff structure between $2 and $3 million. It also means losing a good number of basketball games we currently put on TV.

[Spin]

The payday games are only part of the equation. That's about $1 million a year. Dropping football down means having to leave the MAC, which means losing TV and Bowl revenue which is currently about $1 million for the athletic department and under the new playoff structure between $2 and $3 million. It also means losing a good number of basketball games we currently put on TV.

You think the MAC would boot it's top basketball and soccer programs because the football program bolted?

I just don't see the correlation. Although, now that you mention it, would you rather be in the Horizon League? Valpo and Butler at the JAR every year, intrastate rivalries with CSU, YSU, and Wright St (and non=con with Can't State obviously). Less fodder than the MAC West.

Just thinking out loud of course, just for fun. Football's not dropping, although the super-programs may drop all the mids. And we're not getting a new arena anytime soon. With or without a full sized floor.

[skip-zip]

The tide has been turning in college basketball. More mid majors are making the sweet 16 and final four than ever before. The Zips are poised to be the next team due to KD's commitment adding stability to the coaching and recruiting of top talent.

Final Four Appearances by Mids

2013 Wichita State from Missouri Valley

2011 Butler from Horizon

2011 VCU from Colonial

2010 Butler from Horizon

2006 George Mason

Thanks for posting this. Apparently there's people who refuse to do the simple math, and see that 5 of the last 28 Final Four participants were from mid-major conferences. Including two of them in the same year, which was only a couple of years ago.

[ZachTheZip]

You think the MAC would boot it's top basketball and soccer programs because the football program bolted?

I just don't see the correlation. Although, now that you mention it, would you rather be in the Horizon League? Valpo and Butler at the JAR every year, intrastate rivalries with CSU, YSU, and Wright St (and non=con with Can't State obviously). Less fodder than the MAC West.

Just thinking out loud of course, just for fun. Football's not dropping, although the super-programs may drop all the mids. And we're not getting a new arena anytime soon. With or without a full sized floor.

First of all, yes. They would kick us out. Haven't you felt the vibe that they don't want us in their conference anyway?

As for the Horizon League, Butler left for the new Big East. The rest of the conference isn't that great.

[MaxZIP]

First of all, yes. They would kick us out. Haven't you felt the vibe that they don't want us in their conference anyway?

As for the Horizon League, Butler left for the new Big East. The rest of the conference isn't that great.

I can't sense the vibe.

[skip-zip]

First of all, yes. They would kick us out. Haven't you felt the vibe that they don't want us in their conference anyway?

As for the Horizon League, Butler left for the new Big East. The rest of the conference isn't that great.

If you're referring to the way we've been treated like the ugly step child at times, that's been going on since 1992, so I don't think it's anything new, as if anyone is stepping up their treatment of Akron for any new purpose.

[Big Zip]

CSU Trustee suggests tearing down Convo Center because it is too big?

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2...#incart_m-rpt-2

[MaxZIP]

CSU Trustee suggests tearing down Convo Center because it is too big?

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2...#incart_m-rpt-2

Tearing it down was one idea floated by extremists. They are losing over a million $ annually and they are paying for a sports marketing firm with no ROI. They need to get creative or sell.

[Dave in Green]

The Wolstein Center can't compete against the Q for major events, and smaller events won't pay the bills.

[wadszip]

The Wolstein Center can't compete against the Q for major events, and smaller events won't pay the bills.

Can they do it like a mobile home. Pick it up and move it 35 miles to the south? Like what was supposed to happen.

That gets me to thinking, since I was too young to know all the details when CSU/Akron were battling for the Convo. How much of it going to CSU had to do with the Richfield Coliseum being in "Akron"? I'm guessing that played a big part in the decision to redirect those funds. Then less than five years later, the Gund "Q" is also built right down the street.

Whatever, it's in the past, but talk about short-sighted thinking from our leaders back at that time. The Gateway project didn't just spring up overnight. I'm in my 30s, and I remember when I was a little kid, there was talk of the Cavs coming back to Cleveland (you're talking late 80s, around the time the Convo was approved). Knowing that the Cavs were eventually going to end up downtown, it doesn't make any sense that CSU (20 blocks away) ended up getting the Convo, which is direct competition with what turned into the Q (Gateway complex).

Who knows how well the Convo, in Akron, would've competed against the Q, but I'm sure it would have a better chance 35 miles away vs. 1 mile, especially since as soon as Gateway was a reality, the Richfield Coliseum was doomed to be a forest ... still amazing when you drive by 271 and 303 to think at one time there was a 20,000 seat arena at that spot.

[legendofzippy]

Who knows how well the Convo, in Akron, would've competed against the Q, but I'm sure it would have a better chance 35 miles away vs. 1 mile, especially since as soon as Gateway was a reality, the Richfield Coliseum was doomed to be a forest ... still amazing when you drive by 271 and 303 to think at one time there was a 20,000 seat arena at that spot.

I was working in that area when they were tearing Richfield down. It was sad to see.

[jupitertoo]

Dr. Proenza was on WAKR this morning and seemed to indicate that if there is a new basketball facility, it will have to be developed in partnership with the city and most likely would not be on campus. He said something about a 5-year timeframe before a project could commence.

[Blue & Gold]

Dr. Proenza was on WAKR this morning and seemed to indicate that if there is a new basketball facility, it will have to be developed in partnership with the city and most likely would not be on campus. He said something about a 5-year timeframe before a project could commence.

Thanks for the update. I'm fine with that. The lot across from Canal Park is crying out for development.

[MDZip]

Dr. Proenza was on WAKR this morning and seemed to indicate that if there is a new basketball facility, it will have to be developed in partnership with the city and most likely would not be on campus. He said something about a 5-year timeframe before a project could commence.

Proenza is a lame duck - what does Tressel think?

[Dr Z]

...what does Tressel think?

I thought the same.

The Vice President for Strategic Engagement is a new position for Akron. According to Pat Galbincea of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Tressel's first action is to "raise money for a new basketball arena."

[Spin]

The Convo was too big, I don't know what they were thinking. Even with the Coliseum, they weren't bringing in major shows to downtown. They were still going to the Coliseum.

Other than Cleveland Crunch playoff games and the NCAA Regional, how many times have they used that capacity? The only reason the Crunch was there was because the Cavs and Lumberjacks took all the weekend dates at the Coliseum.

The perfect example of overbuilding. An arena half that size would cost a lot less to maintain, and bring in less popularity events at break even. And create a better atmosphere for Vikings games.

[wadszip]

Dr. Proenza was on WAKR this morning and seemed to indicate that if there is a new basketball facility, it will have to be developed in partnership with the city and most likely would not be on campus. He said something about a 5-year timeframe before a project could commence.

That's perfectly fine with me. Really, what is the difference from it being on the western end of campus or downtown? Distance wise, not much. A UA/city partnership has always made the most sense to me, especially if you can sell the city on bringing in a full-time tenant. Guess what, the Cleveland Cavaliers are still one of the few NBA teams (and one of the first) that have a full-fledged NBA D-League affiliate (Canton Charge). You don't think Dan Gilbert would want the team in a new facility in Akron (closer to his fanbase) than what he has at the dump that is the Canton Civic Center?

You build a facility that is suitable for what KD is building at UA, and is suitable for what could be a marquee D-League team means for the Cavs, and now you are on to something. You work out how you are going to split the concessions and you have a facility that can be profitable for UA (15 home games a year), the city (25 home Charge games) and the Cavs (if Dan Gilbert wants to also invest in this project, and bring the Charge to Akron).

That's a guaranteed 45 dates a year that are filled just between Akron and Charge. Give Gilbert (and his deep pockets) a cut in the other ventures (along with some sort of U/city split) and you may see something get done, with him being the third major investor. What people seem to forget is that Akron is in the geographic heart of a region of close to 3 million people (top 15 or so market). You can bring profitable acts to an arena in downtown Akron, especially acts that may not be deemed "big enough" for the Q (which Gilbert also takes a cut from). If he's involved in both the Q and a downtown/U arena, he could bank off of both, especially if his share in an Akron project is just large enough to make it happen.

Personally, I think Dan Gilbert could be a major player in whether something gets done. And Gilbert has made a fortune betting on cities like Cleveland and Detroit. If there is anybody who would join an Akron venture (especially if it means one of his products would be moving into it), it would be him.

[Sergeant Zip]

Dr. Proenza was on WAKR this morning and seemed to indicate that if there is a new basketball facility, it will have to be developed in partnership with the city and most likely would not be on campus. He said something about a 5-year timeframe before a project could commence.

Dr P's Podcast from WAKR

[Hilltopper]

Proenza is a lame duck - what does Tressel think?

Waiting for Pat Jake Doll........

[taxpayer]

I would hope that the State of Ohio and City of Akron would agree to a real estate tax elimination, reduction or 10 year abatement so that private money would have incentive to invest/build such a facility. The State & City would benefit from increased economic activity at neighboring businesses that would benefit by gameday crowds and activity. Having a fall/winter attraction across from the summer home of the Aero's might add some life to the business district.

Keep it to 7,500 seats max with retail on first level and it might attract some investors.

I am sad to see DR. P retire/move on. The next president has some big shoes to fill.

[lance99]

That's perfectly fine with me. Really, what is the difference from it being on the western end of campus or downtown? Distance wise, not much. A UA/city partnership has always made the most sense to me, especially if you can sell the city on bringing in a full-time tenant. Guess what, the Cleveland Cavaliers are still one of the few NBA teams (and one of the first) that have a full-fledged NBA D-League affiliate (Canton Charge). You don't think Dan Gilbert would want the team in a new facility in Akron (closer to his fanbase) than what he has at the dump that is the Canton Civic Center?

You build a facility that is suitable for what KD is building at UA, and is suitable for what could be a marquee D-League team means for the Cavs, and now you are on to something. You work out how you are going to split the concessions and you have a facility that can be profitable for UA (15 home games a year), the city (25 home Charge games) and the Cavs (if Dan Gilbert wants to also invest in this project, and bring the Charge to Akron).

That's a guaranteed 45 dates a year that are filled just between Akron and Charge. Give Gilbert (and his deep pockets) a cut in the other ventures (along with some sort of U/city split) and you may see something get done, with him being the third major investor. What people seem to forget is that Akron is in the geographic heart of a region of close to 3 million people (top 15 or so market). You can bring profitable acts to an arena in downtown Akron, especially acts that may not be deemed "big enough" for the Q (which Gilbert also takes a cut from). If he's involved in both the Q and a downtown/U arena, he could bank off of both, especially if his share in an Akron project is just large enough to make it happen.

Personally, I think Dan Gilbert could be a major player in whether something gets done. And Gilbert has made a fortune betting on cities like Cleveland and Detroit. If there is anybody who would join an Akron venture (especially if it means one of his products would be moving into it), it would be him.

My question has always been "where at?" I asked this a couple of years ago(and got hammered for it) and I will ask again. Your options are to either put it west of Canal Park(and yes people will complain about that) or start knocking bulidings down. You are almost better off putting it on the old Central-Hower site.

I do agree with you that the Canton Charge would move to Akron if built(like the Indians from Canton), however I highly doubt that Gilbert woulod be involved in this. Unless it is an whole complex(with hotel/cansino).

The City has no cash and 5 years is down the road, if it happens at all. IMO, it would take major civic involment (I am looking at you Goodyear) to make it happen.

Here is an thought you will have pleanty of land here starting next year!

[a-zip]

My question has always been "where at?" I asked this a couple of years ago(and got hammered for it) and I will ask again. Your options are to either put it west of Canal Park(and yes people will complain about that) or start knocking bulidings down. You are almost better off putting it on the old Central-Hower site.

Perhaps you got hammered because your question "where at?" makes no sense.