Captain Kangaroo Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Fear the Ewe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 The other guy was brought up because of the comment of how much "tougher" KD supposedly is compared to the rest of the country. Of course I care about the players as human beings, but at some point you have to draw the line somewhere.I feel KD's line is drawn when he is left with no other choice.I also care about the reputation of the Men's basketball program as well as the University. How many chances does he need? I'm probably a little more connected than you may think. I am a recent graduate and Akron really isn't very big. If you don't commute, everybody pretty much knows everybody and everybody goes out to the same places.I do not understand the logic that Harney's personal issues give him a pass to mess up over and over again. There is a reason everybody is hush-hush about this, and it's because they don't want the public to know. Why? I'll let you think about that.1) The first bold part I fixed for you. 2) The second bold part is ridiculous. 3) No offense, but being a recent graduate doesn't make you "connected"4) Nobody is giving Harney a pass. His actions deserve consequences and they are being handed down to him. What I am trying to point out is acting like the "fix" is as simple as "getting his act together" as you said earlier in this thread in extremely short-sighted. I have no problem with frustration - I'm frustrated...we all are. But you don't know Nick Harney (I don't either). You don't know what he's gone through or what he's going through. All I'm asking is you don't act like you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 @UAZip0510, I disagree with one part of your post. Being a recent graduate certainly could make one better connected to the student rumor mill than someone who's not a recent UA student. So that brings into question how connected the UA student rumor mill is to reality. Those of us who've been out in the real world a little longer have come to learn over the years that the "he said, she said" factor is occasionally educational but mostly misleading.If the matter of Nick's transgression is pure speculation, then why not play the odds? My observations over the years have been that a large percentage of indefinite suspensions for college basketball players are related to academic issues. That's why the suspensions are not for a specific time or a specific number of games. They're indefinite because the student has to prove over time that he's resolved his academic issues. Being pure speculation, of course, there's no way of knowing if that's the case in this instance. But it at least makes more sense from a statistical point of view than some of the more imaginative speculations.And as long as were speculating here, I wonder how the folks who run this forum would treat this discussion if it was one of their kids who was being speculated about? We all live in glass houses, and those who throw the biggest stones the hardest often live among the most broken glass.But the most important point I keep coming back to is what @Hilltopper said: This is a private matter within the team. Coach Dambrot is responsible for the team, and we either trust him to do the right thing or not. I would certainly be concerned if anyone who actually knew Coach Dambrot as a person didn't trust him to do the right thing. That's obviously not the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 @UAZip0510, I disagree with one part of your post. Being a recent graduate certainly could make one better connected to the student rumor mill than someone who's not a recent UA student. So that brings into question how connected the UA student rumor mill is to reality. Those of us who've been out in the real world a little longer have come to learn over the years that the "he said, she said" factor is occasionally educational but mostly misleading.If the matter of Nick's transgression is pure speculation, then why not play the odds? My observations over the years have been that a large percentage of indefinite suspensions for college basketball players are related to academic issues. That's why the suspensions are not for a specific time or a specific number of games. They're indefinite because the student has to prove over time that he's resolved his academic issues. Being pure speculation, of course, there's no way of knowing if that's the case in this instance. But it at least makes more sense from a statistical point of view than some of the more imaginative speculations.And as long as were speculating here, I wonder how the folks who run this forum would treat this discussion if it was one of their kids who was being speculated about? We all live in glass houses, and those who throw the biggest stones the hardest often live among the most broken glass.But the most important point I keep coming back to is what @Hilltopper said: This is a private matter within the team. Coach Dambrot is responsible for the team, and we either trust him to do the right thing or not. I would certainly be concerned if anyone who actually knew Coach Dambrot as a person didn't trust him to do the right thing. That's obviously not the case here.There's a big difference between hearing rumors and being "connected", which you illustrate perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Why do we need to know what Harney was suspended for? We are all die hard Zip fans, but it is not our business to know what misdeeds he committed. That information is available to the people that need to know (coaches, administrators, etc.). What we as fans need to do is support the team and those that are playing and support Nick when he gets back in action.I disagree. As "die hard Zips fans" I think that it is important to know who and what we are supporting and what is being hidden from the fans. Maybe some fans won't support the program if they knew the reasons why players are suspended and brought back...and maybe that is why the truth is hidden from the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy_ua_00 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Unfortunately I know why hes suspended and for his own privacy sake, ill keep it at that. However, that being said, nick needs to straighten his life out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I'm sorry but I don't get why some here are outraged at others for being worried about the maturity of our seniors. Yes everyone needs to be treated as a human being, but in college you're supposed to (hopefully) do a certain amount of growth and maturity. One of those things that you are (hopefully) supposed to learn is how to better manage your life so that it doesn't affect others, and hopefully yourself. Getting suspended for any reason as a senior affects both. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I can't wait for a UA athlete to get a DUI (or similar) so we can all give him a big group hug. There's really nothing better than losing starters to suspensions as we move towards tournament time. Just so we can hug 'em. Who cares about the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Unfortunately I know why hes suspended and for his own privacy sake, ill keep it at that. However, that being said, nick needs to straighten his life out.I really appreciate you being a responsible adult and honoring a student's right to privacy. Everyone can agree that whatever any player does to deserve a suspension from the team is something that player needs to straighten out in his life. We can also agree that any player who lets down the team needs to work hard to regain the trust of his teammates. We fans have all expressed in different ways that it's important to us that the Zips maintain high standards. It's up to the players and coaches to make that happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Isn't it because they aren't allowed to talk about it?Have we not heard the reasons for suspensions in the past?Anyways, it appears I've ruffled a lot of feathers for bringing a dose of reality to this thread.. Have been told to stop rooting for the basketball team, called a "vigilante", an "internet warrior" and whatever else. Enjoy Zipsnation. Recent trends suggest that I will see you all in a similar thread next season. Hopefully Harney realizes what he could be throwing away and who he is letting down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Have we not heard the reasons for suspensions in the past?Anyways, it appears I've ruffled a lot of feathers for bringing a dose of reality to this thread.. Have been told to stop rooting for the basketball team, called a "vigilante", an "internet warrior" and whatever else. Enjoy Zipsnation. Recent trends suggest that I will see you all in a similar thread next season. Hopefully Harney realizes what he could be throwing away and who he is letting down.I don't know of any suspensions for violating team rules that we have known about in the past. There have been suspensions for getting in trouble with the law(Tree's bar fight) and suspensions for messed up paperwork and suspensions for on campus incidents involving other students(Q), but those were matters of public record. I haven't seen anyone here tell you to stop rooting for the team but I am confused why you think it's so important to know what happened. Do you think it will be beneficial to Nick and the team to drag what ever he did around the internet so "he can learn his lesson"? I'm as big a fan of the program as anyone on this board and I don't like it that Nick got suspended either. Sometimes in life things don't go the way you want them to. In my experience the best course of action is to make the best of the situation and move on with a positive attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I am confused why you think it's so important to know what happened. Do you think it will be beneficial to Nick and the team to drag what ever he did around the internet so "he can learn his lesson"? I sort of feel the same way. I don't care why it happened, it just needs to stop. We consider ourselves to be a big time mid major. This is one thing I don't see happening at other high level mid majors and it needs to stop. In terms of knowing what happened, I'm always interested to know what the infraction was so I can understand whether or not the infraction is serious or if one of the 3,000 incomprehensible rules these guys have to follow has been broken.If it is serious, put it out in the public. If he cares so little about the rules, why worry about what he thinks when the public finds out...he doesn't seem to care himself. If it is minor, a good chuckle at the rules is always fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I can think of 2 reasons why this has not been made public. First, that it is a team issue and being handled by KD & Nick. Secondly, there are privacy laws that make it difficult if not impossible to release that type of information. Like everyone else, I am curious as to what the infraction was, but I also respect KD and UA, and let have do what they are required to do.Go Zips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Why would they release it? Obviously things get leaked, but not often does KD just come out and say why unless it's already been public. There's no benefit to Nick or the team if everyone knew. That said I'm curious, it's getting old everyone getting suspended. Going back to Brett McKnight, it seems it happens every year. Blah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 It isn't a question of if the school releases the information it is when does the information make it to the public. The school is not going to tell you anything but to think in the year 2014 with all of the social media available a player suspension will not be shared with the wrong person who shares it one person too far and posts it on twitter, FB etc. is actually naivete. If they can actually keep this under wraps that is pretty impressive. The amount of things that find their way to the twittersphere this days is incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 It's probably good that certain violations of team rules don't get out to the public.That being said, why Harney was suspended isn't important, violating team rules that are very clear is ridiculous....no matter how absurd why he was suspended is. We live in a society where what you do in the privacy of your own home or personal time doesn't matter...especially if you're a student-athlete, and Nick should've known better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 @NickHarney: I'm back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 @NickHarney: I'm back!Verrrrry Interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Glad he's back, hopefully he's learned from whatever it is that kept him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 @NickHarney: I'm back!Just in time!! Rested, and hopefully ready to give us his best effort for the next 4 games.Kretzer should be due to return also. Any new news on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Great news on Nick. Hope he's learned his lesson once and for all. I think that Jake would be back sooner if this was his first concussion. Since it's the second of his Zips career, I think they'll err on the side of caution and keep him out a little longer. I'm hoping he's ready to go by the Buffalo game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 I thought they announced 14 days? Which is dumb, imo, as concussions aren't really a "set" recovery time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 @zippy5, GT originally reported 7-14 days on Jake. The missing words were "at least." You're absolutely right that concussion recovery time varies widely. Medical experts typically say that full recovery from a concussion can take "days, weeks or even months" depending on the individual and the severity of the concussion. We can only hope that Jake's concussion was mild and that he's on the shorter end of that recovery time. We all agree that his long-term health has to be the top priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morris buttermaker Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Chauncey Gilliam had a bad day, today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Chauncey Gilliam had a bad day, todayhttp://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/02/university_of_akron_alpha_phi.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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