GP1 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I thought Dr. Bowden had a JD and not an MD (anyone with a law degree has a doctorate). With the attention paid to concussions in 2014, a cleared to play player should play. The protocols they take are thorough and the medical staffs are more than capable to evaluate a players condition. Pohl should have been on the field if he was cleared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Pohl should have been on the field if he was cleared.Unless we have two QBs at the number 1 position, like coach Bowden indicated in his presser this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Unless we have two QBs at the number 1 position, like coach Bowden indicated in his presser this week. I sense your frustration.Many times in life, we go off searching for a solution to a non-existent problem in an attempt to get the results we want. For example, many who support voter ID laws are out to solve non-existent voter fraud. It's goofy. The real purpose of these laws is to keep classes of people from voting.I could be completely wrong, but it's starting to look like Woodson is Bowden's solution to his non-existent QB problem. It looks as if Bowden badly wants Woodson to be the starting QB and is willing to risk a lot of losing to get him in that spot. He has a QB who is 8-3 in his last 11 starts, yet he has this goofy idea that starting a freshman QB with questionable skills is the solution to his QB problem. Maybe he thinks this fake competition he has created is something that will motivate Pohl. Pohl can't be so stupid at this point to believe Woodson presents any threat in any other way than a coach's desire to make a bad decision.This goofy behavior needs to stop if we are going to have the type of season we believe we can have. Bowden needs to stop playing goofy QB games and get to winning. Snap out of it Terry! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I sense your frustration. I could be completely wrong, but it's starting to look like Woodson is Bowden's solution to his non-existent QB problem. It looks as if Bowden badly wants Woodson to be the starting QB and is willing to risk a lot of losing to get him in that spot. He has a QB who is 8-3 in his last 11 starts, yet he has this goofy idea that starting a freshman QB with questionable skills is the solution to his QB problem. Maybe he thinks this fake competition he has created is something that will motivate Pohl. Pohl can't be so stupid at this point to believe Woodson presents any threat in any other way than a coach's desire to make a bad decision.If I were the Zips beat writer, here is the question I would ask..."coach Bowden, who is furthest along with the understanding of the offense between your two number one quarterbacks?" I think that answer will tell us why the position is in a state of flux. Something tells me that our QB next year will be the guy with the best knowledge of the offense. Meaning, he knows where all/most his receivers are (or should be) when he drops back to make decisions. I'm not sure who that will be, but I know it will take some hard work studying the playbook. So far, I think Dalton was our best decision maker in this offense. Here is to hoping somebody puts in the extra work necessary to solidify the position. I hope it is still possible to happen this year because we have the potential to have more wins than we have ever had, and other parts of our team are playing at a high level. With hard work, tough situations at the position can be achieved at Akron.After Frye's junior year, Owens was fired and replaced by J.D. Brookhart, a former Pitt assistant. An upset Frye considered coming out early in draft and was told by the NFL he'd probably go in the third or fourth round. Brookhart met with Frye and his family and convinced him to stay. "I couldn't let my teammates down," Frye said. At the first spring practice, Brookhart arrived an hour early and Frye was already there throwing balls. Over the summer, Frye ran players-only practices and helped install Brookhart's west coast offense. "Charlie sat in on our coaches' meetings and came in on Thursday nights to go over the game plan with me," Brookhart said. The system was so foreign to Frye that he admitted to Brookhart after the opener against Penn State, a 48-10 loss, that he didn't know what he was doing. Still, Joe Paterno sang his praises. By late season, he mastered it well enough to produce a 31-28 upset over Marshall, in which he rallied the team from a 21-point deficit. The Zips went 6-5 and finished second in the MAC East, and Frye was on the NFL radar screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 If I were the Zips beat writer, here is the question I would ask..."coach Bowden, who is furthest along with the understanding of the offense between your two number one quarterbacks?" I think that answer will tell us why the position is in a state of flux. My question would be as follows: "Coach Bowden, Given Pohl has gone 8-3 in the last 11 starts, why do you refuse to make him the clear starter?" After some follow up questions about that which could include a question about grasp of offense depending on the answers, I might go into some questions about whether losing with excitement while having more turnovers is more important than winning with a less flashy QB who doesn't make mistakes. I might even directly ask him if he is trying to create a situation for HIMSELF where he can justify playing Woodson because he is enamored with him and whatever skills he believes he may have but we have not seen yet.Reporters questions too often stray away from the central requirements for winning into talk radio questions. A team wins with big plays and turnovers/points off of turnovers. We aren't a big play team so we need turnovers and we need keep our turnovers down on offense. If you could get Bowden to admit that Woodson is a turnover waiting to happen, it might make him less enamored with him and he could see more clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I thought Dr. Bowden had a JD and not an MD (anyone with a law degree has a doctorate). With the attention paid to concussions in 2014, a cleared to play player should play. The protocols they take are thorough and the medical staffs are more than capable to evaluate a players condition. Pohl should have been on the field if he was cleared.TB had already announced TW as the starter by Thursday. By gentlemen's agreement, he couldn't go back on that...it wouldn't have been fair to Solich and the Bobcats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 TB had already announced TW as the starter by Thursday. By gentlemen's agreement, he couldn't go back on that...it wouldn't have been fair to Solich and the Bobcats.Under the "gentlemen's agreement" is it fair to bring him off the bench for a series to see if he can light a fire under our offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Under the "gentlemen's agreement" is it fair to bring him off the bench for a series to see if he can light a fire under our offense?Apparently. Balsy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Am I understanding this correctly? Say any college football player suffers a head injury and is kept out of practice all week because medical people say it could be dangerous to his longterm health. A couple of days before the next game he's still showing signs of head injury and the coach announces he won't be playing. On the morning of the game the player is examined again and finally shows the last obvious signs of the head injury have just cleared up. Are some fans claiming here that it's a responsible thing for a coach to put that player on the field with zero game preparation within a day or two of having shown signs of a head injury?It's a good thing there's a responsible adult running the Zips football program. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 If the doctors cleared him, he's fit to play. Whether or not he was adequately prepared is a different story, but waiting longer after you're cleared hasn't showed that concussion risk decreases.. If he was cleared, he was 100% symptom free and available.As an aside, I haven't actually read from a credible source that he was actually cleared, did I miss that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 If the doctors cleared him, he's fit to play. Whether or not he was adequately prepared is a different story, but waiting longer after you're cleared hasn't showed that concussion risk decreases.. If he was cleared, he was 100% symptom free and available.As an aside, I haven't actually read from a credible source that he was actually cleared, did I miss that?I am not going to say names, but I absolutely know from a credible source that he was cleared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Am I understanding this correctly? Say any college football player suffers a head injury and is kept out of practice all week because medical people say it could be dangerous to his longterm health. A couple of days before the next game he's still showing signs of head injury and the coach announces he won't be playing. On the morning of the game the player is examined again and finally shows the last obvious signs of the head injury have just cleared up. Are some fans claiming here that it's a responsible thing for a coach to put that player on the field with zero game preparation within a day or two of having shown signs of a head injury?It's a good thing there's a responsible adult running the Zips football program.According to Kyle Pohl in the plain dealer he felt 100% by mid last week.I am with GP1 that Bowden just wanted to use this as an excuse to see what Woodson could do as starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Pohl saying he's 100%, and doctor's clearing him (which btw, DiG, doesn't mean his symptoms went away Saturday morning - there's a timetable followed and if he's symptom free over that time period, he's cleared) are very different things.As for the Woodson preference, I'm not going down the conspiracy road. I'd say TB probably didn't want to play a QB who didn't have the week of preparation, and he probably had a game plan ready for Tommy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 As for the Woodson preference, I'm not going down the conspiracy road. I'd say TB probably didn't want to play a QB who didn't have the week of preparation, and he probably had a game plan ready for Tommy.A quarterback who didn't have a week to prepare, and who had suffered a hard hit in the previous game. Zips fans, we should not doubting Bowden. He's the man, and he's ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 According to Kyle Pohl in the plain dealer he felt 100% by mid last week. ...Pohl's exact quote was: "I have felt good since the middle of last week. Just wanted to go through all the precautions."I've seen a lot of assumptions and speculation about some things here, but I've yet to see an exact timetable of what all the precautions were and just how close to game time they officially ended. When it comes to head injuries, for too many years too many erred on the side of too little caution. I'm all for erring on the side of too much caution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 When was the last time you read about a player with a concussion saying that he didn't feel well enough to go. Besides, according to TB tonight on the radio show at Johnny J's tonight, he was only cleared for live action (able to take a hit.) yesterday. Bowden was unsure if that would be enough time for KP16 to be ready.Unless you were in the room with the doctor and coaches, you don't know for a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 ... Besides, according to TB tonight on the radio show at Johnny J's tonight, he was only cleared for live action (able to take a hit.) yesterday. ...Just to be clear, when Coach Bowden said that Pohl was only cleared for live action (able to take a hit) yesterday, did he mean Wednesday, Oct. 22 -- several days after the OU game? If so, that's a huge difference from the claim that he was cleared before the OU game. Could it be that he was only cleared for non-contact practice prior to the OU game?The devil is in the details. It's impossible to form an educated opinion without all the facts. You are so, so right when you say that only those in the room with the doctor and coaches know all the facts and we're just trying to do the best we can by interpreting bits and pieces we've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 You know TB is never completely clear (he did go to law school) but he was fairly clear that KP was only clear for live action yesterday, 10/23. The replay will be played before the game on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Did any of you Dick Tracies ever consider that Zips Win! & Zipgrad01 may have spoken to someone in the know on Saturday morning? Not trying to be a Dick, myself. Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips Win! Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 You know TB is never completely clear (he did go to law school) but he was fairly clear that KP was only clear for live action yesterday, 10/23. The replay will be played before the game on Saturday.Complete bs. He should have been in the game at the beginning of the second quarter last Saturday, No need to make any further bowl plans....The better question is why the hell am i making the trip to Muncie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Did any of you Dick Tracies ever consider that Zips Win! & Zipgrad01 may have spoken to someone in the know on Saturday morning?I'd consider Coach Bowden to be someone more in the know than most, and it's been reported here that Coach Bowden publicly stated tonight that Pohl was only cleared for live action (able to take a hit) yesterday. If that's true, then someone Saturday morning may not have been as much in the know as they thought they were. I remain open-minded to verifiable data, whether from Dick Tracy or any dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 There's a simple way to answer this.. Was Pohl in pads on the sidelines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I'd consider Coach Bowden to be someone more in the know than most, and it's been reported here that Coach Bowden publicly stated tonight that Pohl was only cleared for live action (able to take a hit) yesterday. If that's true, then someone Saturday morning may not have been as much in the know as they thought they were. I remain open-minded to verifiable data, whether from Dick Tracy or any dick.You didn't capitalize Dick. I left out a comma.No smiley faces have been employed. It's fun being a P.I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Complete bs. He should have been in the game at the beginning of the second quarter last Saturday, No need to make any further bowl plans....The better question is why the hell am i making the trip to Muncie?Funny, I was thinking the same thing about a bowl game. This situation with Bowden's insistence on putting the team in less than favorable positions takes me back a few years and it has nothing to do with Akron football.A few years ago, Wake had one of the best college QBs I have ever seen. His name was Riley Skinner and in his first three years, Wake went to bowl games, including an Orange Bowl appearance. I always said that Skinner rhymed with winner for a reason. Some guys don't have NFL talent, but they win. His senior season, that dinosaur Jim Grobe decided it was more important to go back to his 1960s coaching ideas than to win games. Mid season, they lost a game at Miami 17-14, or something like that, in a game where Grobe was insisting to run the fullback into the line all day instead of using one of the best QBs the school had ever had. Miami did not have a good team back then and the game was easily winnable. The team never recovered and ended up going 5-7. At the end of that season, it was obvious Grobe had destroyed any momentum the program had that day and it spiraled out of control into the condition it is in today. I have that odd sense about the Zips this year as I did about Wake a few years ago.In two weeks, Bowden with his goofy ideas about playing a favorite in lieu of guy who wins, we are not in a very good position with a team playing a second road game in a row.Let's review. After the Miami game, we were 4-2 with a QB who was 8-3 in his last 11 games. Additionally, we had a ton of confidence and momentum. We were a team with low turnovers and a solid defense. We had also beaten a BCS level team. Today we are a team, for no good reason, is moronically in search of a QB and it can't be helpful to the psychological make up of the team. The players aren't idiots and understand what is going on around them and can't be happy about it. We had three turnovers last week with two of them being interceptions. There can't be much confidence or momentum at this point after the pants pooping last for minutes of last Saturday. Traditional losing programs like ours don't recover easily from those episodes and are more likely to repeat them instead of recover from them. I told all of you that if Pohl went down, we would be lucky to go 3-3 in our final six games. I stand by that. While Pohl is now back and could have played last week, Bowden has created his reason to play Woodson and will continue to do so because he is looking for that one time out of ten when he does something "exciting". I'll take boring winning over exciting losing every day.Head coaches get paid to get the bid decisions right. Starting QB is a huge decision for a team and shouldn't be farted around with mid season for the unknown. Or worse, a pet project. As far as I'm concerned, Bowden has mismanaged the QB situation since the beginning of the season and continues to mismanage it even worse than early in the season. Stability and the appearance of stability are critical not only for the QB, but the rest of the team as well. Last week, it cost the Zips a win. Looks like he may be hedging a little this week, but my bet is he doubles down on Woodson and it will cost us another win somehow.The Zips are in a bit of a hole right now. The first thing you need to do when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging. Stop digging Terry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I'd consider Coach Bowden to be someone more in the know than most, and it's been reported here that Coach Bowden publicly stated tonight that Pohl was only cleared for live action (able to take a hit) yesterday. If that's true, then someone Saturday morning may not have been as much in the know as they thought they were. I remain open-minded to verifiable data, whether from Dick Tracy or any dick.You didn't capitalize Dick. I left out a comma.No smiley faces have been employed. It's fun being a P.I.Are you 2 channeling Earnest Angley now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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