Game #10 Buffalo

[Jrship35]

Offensive line - we've seen the last two weeks what good ones can do - to us. Maybe we have some nagging injuries not reported - I don't know, but the OL must be improved. I don't like our tackles and Brumbaugh at LG seems to be playing weak (best we've got so keep him in the lineup or play Casimos). Insert McNamara at RG and play Boyett and Brown at tackles. I saw Williams get beat what seemed like every other play last night. The OL is where our loss came from.

Very valid point ..........

[Big Zip]

When some of you new to the Zips fans are around for a little while maybe you'll understand the frustration a little better. Perhaps there was a reason Bowden was coaching where he was coaching or perhaps there were other reasons he was out of a job. We'll never know if someone could have done a better job with this team because they hired Bowden. I still don't know if it was a bad decision or not but ignoring the fact that this team has quit on him and has little to no heart is quite delusional. You can't be happy with a better than terrible team because TW gave you the iCoach who was/is possibly the worst coach in the history of college football. I didn't even get a chance to watch a lot of the game last night but what I saw was absolutely pathetic. Amazing the way Buffalo was running on us....it was like we were a high school team getting pushed around by a team that came in on a four game losing streak. BTW we've had other coaches family members on here before and with every post you certainly make me feel like your related to TB.

Amazing how just a month ago on this board people we concerned we were going to lose TB....well I don't think you're going to have to worry about that one.

[johnnyzip84]

I said before the game that a loss here would be the worst on TB's tenure. Although U@B showed me a little more talent on offense than I was expecting, the dominating stats clearly confirm my initial thought. Some will blame it on coaching decisions, some on the team's collective heart, and there are good reasons to suspect both. I'll simply state that I put WAY too much emphasis on the Pitt result in raising my expectations for this program, particularly with regards to our defense. It has now been firmly established that any offense that can muster a run/pass threat can move the ball quite well against this defense. Like Lee Adams pointed out, the 2005 defense had a few overachieving players who made plays when they needed. The 2014 defense I had placed so much faith in probably has more talent, but it's clearly missing a few intangibles. The lack of size in the interior is also becoming painfully aware.

I'm not sure where to go from here. As for the rest of 2014, UMass has a better team and should end the now ridiculous 4 game streak in which the Zips were favored. It's hard to imagine this team turning it on even with the wagon wheel at stake. BTW, we also had a number of injuries last night (Ford, Pittman) that won't make it any easier.

As for 2015 and beyond, the losing streak has to be having a horrible effect on recruiting. At some point when a losing program is attempted to be turned around, the window of opportunity closes. This is especially true with an approach that leans heavily on transfers at the beginning. That hasn't happened here yet, but the window is clearly beginning to slip.

[UA1987]

Two things happened that started this slide on the offense - Pohl's head injury and how it was handled with Woodson and the ouster of McNamara from the offensive line. I don't think Pohl was supposed to run last night when he did and this shows his frustration. The McNamara thing has got me confused. He (#29 guard in the Country coming out of high school) started the first half of the year (when we were 4 and 2) then somewhere in the Miami game he was left out of the lineup, despite being healthy, and is now on the punt team and plays sparingly on the defensive line. Maybe a third reason for the offensive slide is that Chisholm has not been 100%.

Changes do need to be made. D'Orazio is being doubled now. We should try to use this to our advantage as UMASS will do the same. Rework the line and have Terry call the plays the rest of the way. There is your leader.

[Dr Z]

Good points UA87. One I would add to your list would be MTB. He seems to be the only "down field" threat we have. What is his injury? The lack of offensive game planning, and the play calling just can't be ignored anymore.

D'Orazio is being doubled now.

I actually saw our other receiver knock a ball down after he didn't catch it. That was special.

[Lee Adams]

Having Buffalo lay 'half a hundred +' on ya is embarrassing. Doesn't matter where,when,how. Started to watch. Saw the pick at the start. Thought they were on their way. OOOPS! Finally had to watch two quality teams,Toledo and NIU play a competitive game.

Maybe these guys can finish with one or two wins. But we are seeing the same old things on offense game after game. And,somebody said it earlier,any team that is the slightest bit two dimensional,can run and pass, gives this style of defense fits. Last night was not the first time it has happened.

Bad thing about how this season has turned out is there are negative affects at different levels for the program. Yes,it will likely adversely affect recruiting of 'four year' kids. Can't continue to bring in one and two year 'plug ins' and not show more progress on the field. Those guys take away schollys from longer term recruits. Secondly,that old bugaboo,attendance takes an even bigger hit for the UMass game and again for next season. Third,the coaches have to reevaluate the players who are playing this year and returning next season. Are they going to go with some of these guys again? Or are they going to start plugging in less experienced players? Thats a crapshoot. Finally,the coaching staff needs to evaluate itself. The staff also needs to be evaluated by the Athletic Department. Where changes are warranted,make them and move on.

These guys might get motivated to win their last two and finish 6-6.Thats an acceptable record on paper for this season. Just not quite the way it looked like it was gonna happen. Given what has been happening for the past month+ its gonna be pretty difficult. Lets also remember that the Zips got a break with the crossover schedule this year. EMU and Ball State were certainly not the two best teams in the West.

Next season is critical. Its the point where Bowden needs to have this program at 7-5 and at least 5-3 in the conference. Gotta start at least realistically competing to win the division even if you don't win it.

See you Tuesday.

[zippyfan34]

I'm glad I'm leaving Tuesday afternoon to head to Charleston

[Zip_ME87]

I'm glad I'm leaving Tuesday afternoon to head to Charleston

Hopefully you'll still feel that way when you return. Given the exhibition play/result Monday night, I'm not so sure Charleston is a better place to be.

[Balsy]

To just name one simply & obviously: P.J. Fleck. He is a tool but he has Western winning today not tomorrow.

The free pass that you give Bowden is just crazy delusional. Perhaps, if there was any semblance of a legitimate sports media presence in NE Ohio, some appropriate questions could be asked of Bowden, giving him the opportunity to acquit himself from the train wreck that is the 2014 Zips. Instead we will get more of the same old bullshit Q&A which is all we deserve as fans because our fan base is so pathetic.

The only heat that any Akron coach will ever feel comes from this board. I am tired of being made to feel like I am a fair weather fan by pointing out reality. You can continue to blame everyone but Bowden. You can continue to pretend the defense is good. You can do whatever you need to do to rationalize in your mind the implosion of this season.

But here's the bottom line. The buck stops with Terry. If he is not willing to make some changes on his staff, he's got to own the wheels coming off. Mr. Lee Adams wanted to talk about Terry's quote in the BJ about putting players in bad positions. You blew him off saying there was nothing there to talk about, just some coachspeak. Well, I can tell you today I hope it was a legitimate hint dropped that Terry at least sees some of the problems and is going to shake things up. Hopefully today not tomorrow.

Bowden has said numerous times that firing coaches in the middle of the season isn't a recipe for success with programs. Any changes I'd expect Bowden to make with the team as far as coaches, I'd expect him to make in the off season. I'd also expect the coaching staff (as a whole) to make drastic changes on offense by next season. The offense has been a liability for two seasons, and Pohl isn't getting it done. I'd start questioning Bowden if Pohl is the starter next year.

As for not addresing a supposedly "legitimate" hint dropped by Terry last week...you yourself said in your previous comment in the bolded portion above about coachspeak not having any value as it is "bullshit". It doesn't matter if we had a media source that's worth a damn (that is a shot at you ABJ), because you'd still get coach speak. You'd still get the same, what you call bullshit, answers. Terry is a Bowden for goodness sake, you don't think Bowdens can handle "hostile" media? Give me a break.

As for PJ Fleck. WMU is in an entirely different situation than Akron. You should know better than I do just how deep the hole Akron was in to have to dig out. WMU had one 1-11 season (with Fleck at the helm). We had 3, consecutively. The third happening because the previous coach had voided the team of any talent or culture that the current coach had to almost build from scratch.

[GP1]

As for 2015 and beyond, the losing streak has to be having a horrible effect on recruiting. At some point when a losing program is attempted to be turned around, the window of opportunity closes. This is especially true with an approach that leans heavily on transfers at the beginning. That hasn't happened here yet, but the window is clearly beginning to slip.

This is my number one worry JZ84. I thought I was the only one who believes the light at the end of the tunnel might in fact be a train coming towards us.

Earlier this year when Pohl went down, I mentioned it would be hard for the Zips to go 3-3 after his injury. I was anticipating one game, not to mention the second game in which he was injured even though he said he wasn't injured...people can believe what they want about that. It looks like we could easily go 0-6 in the remaining six games. Not only that, I mentioned I watched Wake go 5-7 after bad coaching decisions Skinner's senior year by Jim Grobe and how it resulted in the collapse of the Grobe years and that we could be watching the beginning of the end of the Bowden years. I believe that more than ever right now. The next two weeks are critical.

Going 5-7 again is easy to sell against if you are a competing school for a recruit. How many losing seasons in a row would that make? Going 4-7 after going 5-7 the year before is a disaster for recruiting at a school that hasn't posted too many winning seasons.

Why is this the case? I've mentioned the last two weeks that the program is "fragile". Most schools that don't win find ways to lose unless they can convince themselves they are better than they really are (confidence and momentum). It doesn't take much to break that illusion of being better than you really are. When that happens, all the reminders of failure come rushing back and ways to lose become implemented. More than most sports, football is a game where lesser teams can use emotion to produce better results than their talent should allow them to produce. If the other team can just squash the emotion, it spells trouble.

Back to recruiting. Watching the game last night, it was clear that there was a personnel gap between the schools. The gap isn't there when the Zips emotions are riding high, but strip away the emotions and the gap is there. Buffalo is not the best team in the world, but they had bigger/stronger players and were able to push us around the field on both sides of the ball. There are a lot of complaints on this board about play calling. I don't like our play calling either, but I don't think it is the difference in us winning and losing right now. We all know the old saying, "You don't win with Xs and Os. You win with Jimmies and Joes". ......"But GP1, we beat Pitt so we have to be good!"....Attention Zips fans, Pitt is a terrible program with a coach who is coaching a 1980s offense. They only have one win against a team with a pulse and as it turns out, VA Tech's pulse was not that strong to begin with. It doesn't matter what plays we call out of what formations right now because without better talent none of them are going to work in 2014 when teams run 65-80 plays a game. Buffalo just wasn't a couple of plays better than us last night, they were four quarters better than us.

I don't feel like I am sounding the alarm about not just this season, but the next few years because if you aren't alarmed at this point, you aren't paying attention, or you choose to see something that doesn't exist. Waiting until the off season to make changes will be too late and it's too late to make any changes this season. This program is in a horrible position right now. Going 1-1 in the next 2 isn't good enough. They need to get to 6-6 for the program to have any real positive momentum going forward. Going 2-0 in the next 2 is critical.

[skip-zip]

I have two thoughts tonight...

1) Maybe the unpredictable nature of this team will surprise us and they can rescue these last two games. I agree with those who fear going into postseason recruiting on a big downward trend.

2) With last night's performance, these guys will be playing in an empty stadium next Tuesday, if the weather forecast holds up. We'll be counting people sitting in seats by the dozens or hundreds, and not by the thousands. If that doesn't take the rest of the heart out of them, I'll be surprised.

[K92]

Great post, GP1. You pretty much nailed it. The only thing I disagree with you about is the offensive gameplan/playcalling. There has been no change in this area at all. We continue to pound the square peg every week just hoping that we eventually play a team bad enough that it will finally work against, I guess. If we continue to travel this path, I will go out on a limb and predict 2 more losses to close out 2014. Doing the same things over and over expecting different results is the definition of insanity, right? If so, the Zips offense needs to be committed.

[Lee Adams]

This is my number one worry JZ84. I thought I was the only one who believes the light at the end of the tunnel might in fact be a train coming towards us.

Earlier this year when Pohl went down, I mentioned it would be hard for the Zips to go 3-3 after his injury. I was anticipating one game, not to mention the second game in which he was injured even though he said he wasn't injured...people can believe what they want about that. It looks like we could easily go 0-6 in the remaining six games. Not only that, I mentioned I watched Wake go 5-7 after bad coaching decisions Skinner's senior year by Jim Grobe and how it resulted in the collapse of the Grobe years and that we could be watching the beginning of the end of the Bowden years. I believe that more than ever right now. The next two weeks are critical.

Going 5-7 again is easy to sell against if you are a competing school for a recruit. How many losing seasons in a row would that make? Going 4-7 after going 5-7 the year before is a disaster for recruiting at a school that hasn't posted too many winning seasons.

Why is this the case? I've mentioned the last two weeks that the program is "fragile". Most schools that don't win find ways to lose unless they can convince themselves they are better than they really are (confidence and momentum). It doesn't take much to break that illusion of being better than you really are. When that happens, all the reminders of failure come rushing back and ways to lose become implemented. More than most sports, football is a game where lesser teams can use emotion to produce better results than their talent should allow them to produce. If the other team can just squash the emotion, it spells trouble.

Back to recruiting. Watching the game last night, it was clear that there was a personnel gap between the schools. The gap isn't there when the Zips emotions are riding high, but strip away the emotions and the gap is there. Buffalo is not the best team in the world, but they had bigger/stronger players and were able to push us around the field on both sides of the ball. There are a lot of complaints on this board about play calling. I don't like our play calling either, but I don't think it is the difference in us winning and losing right now. We all know the old saying, "You don't win with Xs and Os. You win with Jimmies and Joes". ......"But GP1, we beat Pitt so we have to be good!"....Attention Zips fans, Pitt is a terrible program with a coach who is coaching a 1980s offense. They only have one win against a team with a pulse and as it turns out, VA Tech's pulse was not that strong to begin with. It doesn't matter what plays we call out of what formations right now because without better talent none of them are going to work in 2014 when teams run 65-80 plays a game. Buffalo just wasn't a couple of plays better than us last night, they were four quarters better than us.

I don't feel like I am sounding the alarm about not just this season, but the next few years because if you aren't alarmed at this point, you aren't paying attention, or you choose to see something that doesn't exist. Waiting until the off season to make changes will be too late and it's too late to make any changes this season. This program is in a horrible position right now. Going 1-1 in the next 2 isn't good enough. They need to get to 6-6 for the program to have any real positive momentum going forward. Going 2-0 in the next 2 is critical.

This is my number one worry JZ84. I thought I was the only one who believes the light at the end of the tunnel might in fact be a train coming towards us.

Earlier this year when Pohl went down, I mentioned it would be hard for the Zips to go 3-3 after his injury. I was anticipating one game, not to mention the second game in which he was injured even though he said he wasn't injured...people can believe what they want about that. It looks like we could easily go 0-6 in the remaining six games. Not only that, I mentioned I watched Wake go 5-7 after bad coaching decisions Skinner's senior year by Jim Grobe and how it resulted in the collapse of the Grobe years and that we could be watching the beginning of the end of the Bowden years. I believe that more than ever right now. The next two weeks are critical.

Going 5-7 again is easy to sell against if you are a competing school for a recruit. How many losing seasons in a row would that make? Going 4-7 after going 5-7 the year before is a disaster for recruiting at a school that hasn't posted too many winning seasons.

Why is this the case? I've mentioned the last two weeks that the program is "fragile". Most schools that don't win find ways to lose unless they can convince themselves they are better than they really are (confidence and momentum). It doesn't take much to break that illusion of being better than you really are. When that happens, all the reminders of failure come rushing back and ways to lose become implemented. More than most sports, football is a game where lesser teams can use emotion to produce better results than their talent should allow them to produce. If the other team can just squash the emotion, it spells trouble.

Back to recruiting. Watching the game last night, it was clear that there was a personnel gap between the schools. The gap isn't there when the Zips emotions are riding high, but strip away the emotions and the gap is there. Buffalo is not the best team in the world, but they had bigger/stronger players and were able to push us around the field on both sides of the ball. There are a lot of complaints on this board about play calling. I don't like our play calling either, but I don't think it is the difference in us winning and losing right now. We all know the old saying, "You don't win with Xs and Os. You win with Jimmies and Joes". ......"But GP1, we beat Pitt so we have to be good!"....Attention Zips fans, Pitt is a terrible program with a coach who is coaching a 1980s offense. They only have one win against a team with a pulse and as it turns out, VA Tech's pulse was not that strong to begin with. It doesn't matter what plays we call out of what formations right now because without better talent none of them are going to work in 2014 when teams run 65-80 plays a game. Buffalo just wasn't a couple of plays better than us last night, they were four quarters better than us.

I don't feel like I am sounding the alarm about not just this season, but the next few years because if you aren't alarmed at this point, you aren't paying attention, or you choose to see something that doesn't exist. Waiting until the off season to make changes will be too late and it's too late to make any changes this season. This program is in a horrible position right now. Going 1-1 in the next 2 isn't good enough. They need to get to 6-6 for the program to have any real positive momentum going forward. Going 2-0 in the next 2 is critical.

Frankly, I don't believe the injuries to Pohl, belief is all WE have here, has had much if anything to do with the problems for the last 4 games. Pohl isn't the QB to run the system Bowden wishes he could run. One problem seems to be that Bowden/Milwee seem to be trying to force the offense to to do what it has not been capable of doing consistently for 2 seasons. No, Pohl may not be welcomed back next year. But I do know what I saw last year. Akron committed to running the ball to try to open up the passing game. That was because Pohl couldn't handle Bowden's offense,AND because injury slowed him down even more.

The decisions about personnel are the responsibility of the head coach...period.

Its a bit late at this point to suddenly state that that 'going 2-0 is critical'. At this point it would be nice. But,the important decisions will be made after 11-25-2014.

[Dr Z]

...these guys will be playing in an empty stadium next Tuesday, if the weather forecast holds up. We'll be counting people sitting in seats by the dozens or hundreds, and not by the thousands. If that doesn't take the rest of the heart out of them, I'll be surprised.

Did you see the stands in Buffalo? The empty stadium seemed to motivate UB.

[skip-zip]

Did you see the stands in Buffalo? The empty stadium seemed to motivate UB.

It sure seemed that way.

[Lee Adams]

Bowden has said numerous times that firing coaches in the middle of the season isn't a recipe for success with programs. Any changes I'd expect Bowden to make with the team as far as coaches, I'd expect him to make in the off season. I'd also expect the coaching staff (as a whole) to make drastic changes on offense by next season. The offense has been a liability for two seasons, and Pohl isn't getting it done. I'd start questioning Bowden if Pohl is the starter next year.

As for not addresing a supposedly "legitimate" hint dropped by Terry last week...you yourself said in your previous comment in the bolded portion above about coachspeak not having any value as it is "bullshit". It doesn't matter if we had a media source that's worth a damn (that is a shot at you ABJ), because you'd still get coach speak. You'd still get the same, what you call bullshit, answers. Terry is a Bowden for goodness sake, you don't think Bowdens can handle "hostile" media? Give me a break.

As for PJ Fleck. WMU is in an entirely different situation than Akron. You should know better than I do just how deep the hole Akron was in to have to dig out. WMU had one 1-11 season (with Fleck at the helm). We had 3, consecutively. The third happening because the previous coach had voided the team of any talent or culture that the current coach had to almost build from scratch.

Ummm. Whether or not Bowden was dropping 'hint' isn't germane. Neither is it germane to the conversation that the sports writers specifically and the 'journalists' in general employed by the BJ are for the most part(not all) first rate second rate journalists,to paraphrase a civil war general I think. There is no point in discussing whether or not Bowden could handle a 'hostile' press if one existed in NE Ohio. What is important to discuss is what Bowden and his staff are accomplishing ON THE FIELD. Its past time to blame previous regimes for what is happening on the field now. Bowden is and has been getting paid a lot of money to do what he is doing at Akron. Thats his job. He came here voluntarily.

I hope nobody is talking about wanting Bowden gone. Thats not appropriate. What is appropriate is to scrutinize the decisions

he and the AD(Wistircil needs to be accountable) make and how that translates to performance on the field. There are some fairly obvious areas where some crucial decisions will need to be made before next season. Whether that involves modifications in coaching philosophy,changes to the coaching staff or changes to players on the field,this coming 'off season' will determine if this program can take the step up to being truly competetive in the MAC next season.

[Dave in Green]

Lee, I really appreciate reading your calm, reasoned critiques. Keep them coming.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Lee, I really appreciate reading your calm, reasoned critiques. Keep them coming.

Keep in mind that Dave finds wallpaper paste a bit on the spicy side, Lee.

[K92]

I totally agree with Dave. Lee has been providing some great commentary and is much more eloquent than I.

A number of us have been irate with the way things are going and have grown very impatient with those telling us that we are on the right path. . .that Bowden is the best coach Akron could ever hope of getting. . .that the defense is good. . .that being critical of Bowden is unacceptable. . .yada, yada, yada.

Bottom line is this. You are what your record says you are. Our record says we are a bad football team.

I started watching football in 1974. I was 6 years old. My life revolved around collecting Topps football cards and watching games on Sundays to see the guys on the cards play. In my 40 years I have heard way too many times to count that the hallmark of a well coached football team is that they improve every week. When I played ball in high school our coach preached to us over and over and over again that we had to get better every week. If we stayed the same we were going backwards because everybody else was going to get better. I bought into this as being truth at a young age.

The Zips have not gotten better. The Zips have regressed.

The strategies of this staff are not working. The emphasis on transfers has failed because you bring in transfers to win today. Today not tomorrow. I heard that somewhere, I think. 2014 was the Zips "Time to Shine", I heard. Does anyone recall the Play 14 graphics and don't forget about #play14. We were all sold a bill of goods about this team being much better than what it is. A lot of us bought in. I know I did. Even though I watched the same Spring game you all did. Even though I went to a few practices and saw that same offense that couldn't punch its way through a wet paper sack. I gave way too much credit to the defense. Almost any defense looks good against our offense as we have seen the past 4 weeks. A lot of us were irrationally exuberant.

The book is out on the Zips. Every staff seems to know what to expect from our offense and how to attack our defense. All of our deficiencies have been exposed and exploited. Meanwhile, we do the same thing every week. Like someone said, we just keep on pounding the square peg into the round hole. It is beyond frustrating to watch. Good coaches find ways to win. Good coaches utilize their personnel to accentuate their talents and limit their liabilities.

Terry Bowden took a big risk in naming A.J. Milwee Offensive Coordinator because he clearly did not have the experience and qualifications for the job. I think almost everyone gave the coach a free pass on that one on the hope that A.J. was some kind of wunderkind prodigy offensive genius. This is clearly not the case. We have almost two years of proof now. It's not just A.J., though. Just singling him out is unfair. Return teams have been atrocious and our receivers can't get open or catch a cold. You would think we would have seen a little progress here in the last 2 1/2 years.

I realize the staff knows far more about the game of football than I or anyone else on this board does. They have made the game their life's work. I think that they can still get on the right track but that will mean making changes. I hope they are all doing some soul searching and honestly assessing where the program is and where it is heading in an honest non-delusional manner. I hope the players are doing the same and the fans as well. Right now Terry & Co. are 10-24 and that ain't good.

The promise of a 4-2 start with 2 poor teams next on the docket leading up to a showdown with BG was intoxicating for a minute. 4 straight losses sobered me up right quick. It really blows and it kind of makes me mad at myself because I committed the Zip fan's cardinal sin: I got my hopes up.

I am tired of always waiting for next year. I am tired of excuses. I am tired of losing.

Reality is a cold-hearted bitch.

[Balsy]

...to be made before next season. ...

Which is exactly what I've been saying.

[Balsy]

We were all sold a bill of goods about this team being much better than what it is. A lot of us bought in. I know I did. Even though I watched the same Spring game you all did. Even though I went to a few practices and saw that same offense that couldn't punch its way through a wet paper sack. I gave way too much credit to the defense. Almost any defense looks good against our offense as we have seen the past 4 weeks. A lot of us were irrationally exuberant.

Reality is a cold-hearted bitch.

But isn't that on us the fans? We put unrealistic expectations on this team, where reality was no where near those expectations. Isn't it unfair to get irate (as you put it) at coaches and players who didn't develop the overly hyped, unrealistic expectations? Coach reminded us (fans), time and time again not to get to far ahead of ourselves, yet (as fans always do) we got overly excited.

For the record: I'm not happy about this season's results either. I expected a 7-5 season in order to consider it a success. It is not.

[Captain Kangaroo]

But isn't that on us the fans? We put unrealistic expectations on this team, where reality was no where near those expectations. Isn't it unfair to get irate (as you put it) at coaches and players who didn't develop the overly hyped, unrealistic expectations? Coach reminded us (fans), time and time again not to get to far ahead of ourselves, yet (as fans always do) we got overly excited.

You need a hair shirt.

You come off as either being on the Bowden family payroll, or having a last name that rhymes with Fisterspill.

[zippy5]

But isn't that on us the fans? We put unrealistic expectations on this team, where reality was no where near those expectations. Isn't it unfair to get irate (as you put it) at coaches and players who didn't develop the overly hyped, unrealistic expectations? Coach reminded us (fans), time and time again not to get to far ahead of ourselves, yet (as fans always do) we got overly excited.

For the record: I'm not happy about this season's results either. I expected a 7-5 season in order to consider it a success. It is not.

They beat Pitt. Maybe the biggest OOC win ever.. Not get overly excited? Sure

[K92]

You need a hair shirt.

You come off as either being on the Bowden family payroll, or having a last name that rhymes with Fisterspill.

NZF Part Deux

[Lee Adams]

Keep in mind that Dave finds wallpaper paste a bit on the spicy side, Lee.

Thanks. I'll take it for what its worth. I find the fact that my wife hasn't had a pay raise in 8 years much more significant.