skip-zip Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: The real boost we could get from Kent is by playing them early in the season when the weather is still actually nice and we might be able to get the stadium 2/3 the way full. I get traditional rivalry week is the week of Thanksgiving but that doesn't translate well for the MAC as the fans are fickle and the games are played midweek. I agree. Kent got that game on Oct. 1st last year. I'd die to get them that early at our place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, LZIp said: The "excuse" is that actual numbers were used mostly this season. Keener, you heard in another thread from a recruit that Akron has a "great" fan base. Does that really count? I suspect about a 20% increase next season that includes "paid for" attendance. Serious question, don't you guys get tired of regurgitating the same stuff on this garbage over and over? Who do you think is the Regurgitation King? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 You know, after giving this a bit more thought, perhaps ZN.o should have a Regurgative Post Czar who monitors all activity and stamps regurgative posts with a big R stamp. Only the R would need to look as if it was made of vomit, like it was the Oderus Urungus seal of disapproval or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 On 1/5/2017 at 11:11 AM, kreed5120 said: The real boost we could get from Kent is by playing them early in the season when the weather is still actually nice and we might be able to get the stadium 2/3 the way full. I get traditional rivalry week is the week of Thanksgiving but that doesn't translate well for the MAC as the fans are fickle and the games are played midweek. On 1/5/2017 at 11:17 AM, skip-zip said: I agree. Kent got that game on Oct. 1st last year. I'd die to get them that early at our place. Totally agree with this idea. The MAC has really screwed that up the last couple of years. I'm hoping Kent vs Akron near the begining of the MAC slate will continue to be a thing here on out. That game would have had a lot more people than previous years, and this year we were absolutely blessed with good weather. Perhaps they could also do that for other instate match ups. I feel like you'd be able to draw more people (not a whole lot more...but more interest at least) in Toledo vs Akron earlier in the season than Akron vs Central Michigan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 On 1/5/2017 at 0:55 PM, K92 said: You know, after giving this a bit more thought, perhaps ZN.o should have a Regurgative Post Czar who monitors all activity and stamps regurgative posts with a big R stamp. Only the R would need to look as if it was made of vomit, like it was the Oderus Urungus seal of disapproval or something. I take it you're self-appointing yourself to that position? If so...you'll need to put the R symbol in your signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Balsy said: Toledo vs Akron... I'd like to see this be a matchup each and every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 With ESPN losing money on playoff games, ESPN losing subscribers, and dwindling attendance at the pro and college football level, you could surmise a sports bubble of sorts is coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 26 minutes ago, Sergeant Zip said: With ESPN losing money on playoff games, ESPN losing subscribers, and dwindling attendance at the pro and college football level, you could surmise a sports bubble of sorts is coming. Is there an echo in here? +1. Totally agree, but I didn't realize ESPn was losing money...that DEFINITELY points to a bubble popping soon. Huh, I wonder if Akron is going to be on the right side of it popping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted January 11, 2017 Report Share Posted January 11, 2017 CFP Championship game ratings down from last year. 15.3 overnight rating (26.029 million) vs 16.0 last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZZips Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 On 9/30/2016 at 9:42 PM, Balsy said: Outside of the top 50 programs, college football is dying and already on life support. Marketing issues at one university (ie Akron) are not the issue. The cable tv companies will be cutting the financial umbilical cord over the next five years. Start up companies could replace colleges as the training grounds for future NFL players. An article in today's Wall Street Journal delves into the new start-up league called the Pacific League. It will have 8 teams, and hire players right out of high school. Coaches are former NFL head coaches and their assistants. No NFL ownership is involved for anti-trust reasons. The goal of the investors is too attract the highest profile players wishing to enter the NFL in three years. Starting salary is $50K plus benefits. No pretending you are a student. Football taught for the pro level not the college level. They have attracted some pretty significant venture capital money. NCAA versus a start-up venture capital operation. Any bets on who wins? http://bloom.bg/2iLLpXr D-1 attendance decline http://on.wsj.com/2jd4Ifl new pro league.....you may need a WSJ subscription. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 11 hours ago, ZZZips said: http://bloom.bg/2iLLpXr D-1 attendance decline http://on.wsj.com/2jd4Ifl new pro league.....you may need a WSJ subscription. So they've kept the 50k salary, but now down to 4 teams. They'd have to find a way to support themselves financially for a few years for this to work. Leagues like this will hurt the lower rungs of College football, but not the top IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 TBH I expect the league to flop. A big reason why college football is as successful as it is is because of tradition and each school has 100,000+ living alumni that have a connection with the school not to mention the people that might not of went to college perhaps had a sibling, parent, kid, cousin, etc. that went there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Balsy said: So they've kept the 50k salary, but now down to 4 teams. They'd have to find a way to support themselves financially for a few years for this to work. Leagues like this will hurt the lower rungs of College football, but not the top IMHO. I would expect the opposite: some of the marquee players who would have gone to the top college programs will go to the D-league instead and get paid. The NCAAF pecking order would remain the same but will be a little more watered down overall with a little more parity between the upper and lower rungs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 These are going to be kids that plan on being in the NFL - mostly not coming from the lower rungs of NCAA. Shouldn't affect us much, however I'd bet on the league being a flop anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 If the league flops, it will be terrible for the players. They would have declared themselves pro therefore couldn't return to CFB and they wouldn't be draft eligible for 2 additional seasons. Even if the league was to succeed you would be seeing some players cut from teams after 1 year to make room for some up and coming 18 year old. Where is that player to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: If the league flops, it will be terrible for the players. They would have declared themselves pro therefore couldn't return to CFB and they wouldn't be draft eligible for 2 additional seasons. Even if the league was to succeed you would be seeing some players cut from teams after 1 year to make room for some up and coming 18 year old. Where is that player to go? Great point. This isn't pro basketball where someone can pull an Emmanuel Mudiay and play in an established league overseas and not risk your career (plus its only 1 year for basketball). Well I guess there are some European football leagues now, but have nothing close to the talent of regular CFB. The CFL would probably be the best bet but I do not know the eligibility requirements and even that isn't that great of an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, zippy5 said: These are going to be kids that plan on being in the NFL - mostly not coming from the lower rungs of NCAA. Shouldn't affect us much, however I'd bet on the league being a flop anyway There is always a trickle down effect. If a player normally would have went to OSU but elected to do this semi-pro league instead that means OSU would instead take a player that went to MSU. MSU would then need to take a player that would have went to Minnesota. Minnesota would then take a player who would have otherwise went to Cincy. Cincy then takes a player that would have otherwise went to a MAC/C-USA or lower profile G5. Edited January 13, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 say there are 40-50 man rosters - we're talking 160-200 athletes. I think the effects will be very minimal, even if it stays afloat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 This plan will come to fruition about the same time pro football starts playing at the Rubber Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) 53 minutes ago, zippy5 said: say there are 40-50 man rosters - we're talking 160-200 athletes. I think the effects will be very minimal, even if it stays afloat Losing 40 top athletes (especially QB's) per P5 conference would be significant. The NFL seems very serious about a developmental league in order to bolster their product and marketability, I don't know why some are so skeptical about it. It's not meant to be a direct competitor to the NFL as previous pro leagues were. Edited January 13, 2017 by ZippyRulz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Because it's a direct competitor to the NCAA - Make 50K and play against who knows what kind of competition in front of 500 fans or go to a top school and play in front of 70-110K fans? (And still probably get 50K) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 My question is: With a 4 team league, how many games in their season? 12? Play each team 4 times? I think a lot of sports fans would tune in to watch that. Probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94zipgrad Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 On another thread but I think if we could get this game for Sept. 9th that could help with ticket sales getting started off on the right foot maybe move us up from 125 out of 128 programs, but we need to win & get the steel tire back or it could backfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, 94zipgrad said: On another thread but I think if we could get this game for Sept. 9th that could help with ticket sales getting started off on the right foot maybe move us up from 125 out of 128 programs, but we need to win & get the steel tire back or it could backfire We'll be better than 125/128 if for nothing more than the fact the University will buy tickets to make sure we stay over 15k threshold to maintain FBS status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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