morris buttermaker Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 This loss doesn't bother me. For me, an embarrassing blowout loss in the NIT is not a big deal-- nor would a run of wins in the NIT be. I felt the season was a disappointment a couple of weeks ago - by not getting to the NCAA tourny and WINNING a game. The expectation level of the program needs to be raised-- is the goal at the start of the season to win the MAC regular season and that's it? because that is all that was accomplished this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, morris buttermaker said: This loss doesn't bother me. For me, an embarrassing blowout loss in the NIT is not a big deal-- nor would a run of wins in the NIT be. I felt the season was a disappointment a couple of weeks ago - by not getting to the NCAA tourny and WINNING a game. The expectation level of the program needs to be raised-- is the goal at the start of the season to win the MAC regular season and that's it? because that is all that was accomplished this year. On one hand I feel we're all a little disappointed. On the other, we set a program record for wins. It is what it is I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) The game was concerning to me in many ways. I guess the thing that bothered me the most was committing four traveling violations in the span of 9 minutes! Everything spiraled out of control due to that. You could see it on Dambrot's face, the players faces and in their body language. It was a hard game to watch. Edited March 21, 2017 by blueandgold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mivid12 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 pretty pathetic when the announcers know what to do to counter UTA & not the coaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, mivid12 said: pretty pathetic when the announcers know what to do to counter UTA & not the coaches There wasn't much to do to counter them when they play like that. We've played at Gonzaga and Creighton and they weren't as impressive as the Mavericks last night. Not that Gonzaga and Creighton aren't better teams, but last night's Mavericks beat December's Zags and Blue Jays, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tboned Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Like everyone else on this forum, I am extremely disappointed in how the season unfolded. I am certain there is not one person player or coach who is not exponentially more disappointed. I thank the kids for choosing Akron. We’ve come a long way in the twelve years that KD has guided this team. We as fans and Alums must step up and support our school and our Team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, zippy5 said: On one hand I feel we're all a little disappointed. On the other, we set a program record for wins. 1 hour ago, morris buttermaker said: The expectation level of the program needs to be raised It already is. If it wasn't, why in the world would anyone be bumming about a record-breaking season, as Zippy 5 points out above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) UTA deserved an NCAA at-large bid. They had 8 losses and half were to NCAA bound teams plus the wins over Texas and St. May's (and Mt St Marys who also made the tournament). Their OOC was solid they got bit by losing to a few OK conference schools. You almost have to go undefeated in conference as a mid-major. Maybe the NCAA needs a rule that you have to go at least .500 in your own conference to get selected. Mid-majors are going to get screwed over forever in the current format. UTA was way underseeded. I think they have an excellent shot at winning the NIT. I want to see a final of them vs Illinois and have them absolutely smoke Illinois (who is the only seed higher than 4 still left). Yeah that was a fair seeding process. Despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth I think the Zips lost to a very good team. Edited March 21, 2017 by MDZip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 57 minutes ago, zippy5 said: There wasn't much to do to counter them when they play like that. We've played at Gonzaga and Creighton and they weren't as impressive as the Mavericks last night. Not that Gonzaga and Creighton aren't better teams, but last night's Mavericks beat December's Zags and Blue Jays, in my opinion. I agree that UTA played great, but the Zips had some role in that. Turnovers, lack of energy, silly mistakes.... UTA was good, but they are not Gonzaga or Creighton on their best day. In the end, I think maybe we got what some expected in the Houston game- a down and unmotivated Zips squad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said: I agree that UTA played great, but the Zips had some role in that. Turnovers, lack of energy, silly mistakes.... UTA was good, but they are not Gonzaga or Creighton on their best day. In the end, I think maybe we got what some expected in the Houston game- a down and unmotivated Zips squad. I'd argue they had some role in our silly mistakes. I just think they played a phenomenal game.. Perfect storm of us not coming out of the gates well and their style of play and how they executed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, MDZip said: UTA was way underseeded All of the Top Seeds who got knocked out of this tournament? And in our region, #6 and #8 playing to go to the Final 4? And if Akron had won, it would have been the BOTTOM TWO SEEDS in our region who played for the chance to go to the Final 4? Ya think the NIT Committee has a serious, serious problem with the way they put together their brackets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 29 minutes ago, skip-zip said: All of the Top Seeds who got knocked out of this tournament? And in our region, #6 and #8 playing to go to the Final 4? And if Akron had won, it would have been the BOTTOM TWO SEEDS in our region who played for the chance to go to the Final 4? Ya think the NIT Committee has a serious, serious problem with the way they put together their brackets? No. They do what they have to do to get schools to participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) The 1 seeds are determined by the NCAAT selection committee. Seeds 2-8 are done by the NIT selection committee. Edited March 21, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 13 minutes ago, K92 said: No. They do what they have to do to get schools to participate. I'd also say in their defense it has to be a tough job. A lot of teams have better resumes on paper and get seeded higher but checked out when they just missed the NCAA tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy_ua_00 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 15 hours ago, Zipgrad01 said: They are a FAR superior team. It really is sad to see how much more athletic a sun belt team is compared to us. Why? You consider the MAC to be a superior conference? If so I don't believe you've watched too many MAC basketball games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 hours ago, kreed5120 said: Dambrot has called out specific coaches by name, like he did when he said he talked to UM coach face to face. If you don't think there was little truth in it, wouldn't those coaches refute it? It's also not like Akron is the only up and coming mid-major that has voiced those concerns. I suppose all those coaches are lying and just trying to protect themselves... What exactly are we talking about here? do you want to schedule a home and home with the likes of Duke, Kentucky, or any P5 school? It is NOT surprising that they will turn you down. It doesn't make $en$e not for us and not for them. Just like we bring Tiffin and Coppin state and Radford to the JAR without giving them a return game, we should do the same with P5 schools. As for Michigan refusing to buy us late in the scheduling process, it probably is true... but what does that mean? There are 60 other P5 schools that we should try. Finally, and most importantly, I do not have a problem if we do not schedule any P5 schools... I do not. As long as we don't schedule any cupcakes either. There are enough decent midmajors that we should play. And if all decent midmajors have trouble scheduling, why don't they schedule each other for H & H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Valpo Zip said: What exactly are we talking about here? do you want to schedule a home and home with the likes of Duke, Kentucky, or any P5 school? It is NOT surprising that they will turn you down. It doesn't make $en$e not for us and not for them. Just like we bring Tiffin and Coppin state and Radford to the JAR without giving them a return game, we should do the same with P5 schools. As for Michigan refusing to buy us late in the scheduling process, it probably is true... but what does that mean? There are 60 other P5 schools that we should try. Finally, and most importantly, I do not have a problem if we do not schedule any P5 schools... I do not. As long as we don't schedule any cupcakes either. There are enough decent midmajors that we should play. And if all decent midmajors have trouble scheduling, why don't they schedule each other for H & H? I never said we were shooting for H&H with Duke, Kentucky, etc. What I said is many of those programs turn us down every year or not even return our calls when we are willing to just take their ~$90k check and play at their place. I agree quality mid-majors scheduling quality mid-majors needs to become more of an occurrence. I have no idea why it isn't a more common practice not just at Akron, but everywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Because they're afraid they might lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipfan84 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, skip-zip said: All of the Top Seeds who got knocked out of this tournament? And in our region, #6 and #8 playing to go to the Final 4? And if Akron had won, it would have been the BOTTOM TWO SEEDS in our region who played for the chance to go to the Final 4? Ya think the NIT Committee has a serious, serious problem with the way they put together their brackets? I think the committee decided first, and foremost, who the home teams were to be. Then the seeding then fell out of that. It's the only logical explanation IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, zippy5 said: Because they're afraid they might lose The sad thing is you're likely true. The irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGood Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 I think the MAC should try to initiate a conference challenge or two. Having a MAC vs. CAA or Sun Belt, or a round robin with multiple MAC-like conferences involved could be beneficial for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 42 minutes ago, zippy5 said: Because they're afraid they might lose Based on what big upset are you speaking of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Sportsjunkie330 said: Based on what big upset are you speaking of? I believe he was responding to my post considering mine was directly above his. Quote I agree quality mid-majors scheduling quality mid-majors needs to become more of an occurrence. I have no idea why it isn't a more common practice not just at Akron, but everywhere else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Not sure why anyone is worrying about us not contending next year - it's the MAC. The question is, do we grow or regress? If you're focused on competing in the MAC, you're going to regress. If you're focused on competing at the national stage, you're going to grow. I don't care who we have coming back, who we don't have coming back, etc. It is the coaching staff's (led by the head coach) job to bring in new talent and develop the current talent to grow and reach the next level. It is also their job to put a system in place that gives the players the best chance to succeed. We shall see what happens. As for last night... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, kreed5120 said: The 1 seeds are determined by the NCAAT selection committee. Seeds 2-8 are done by the NIT selection committee. I'm well aware of that. You ever heard the phrase "The blind leading the blind"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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