LZIp Posted April 3, 2017 Author Report Posted April 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, UAZip0510 said: We should know who our new coach is within 24-48 hours. Good. Isn't national signing day April 12th?! Give the coach some time to hopefully fill a hole or two. Seem to be some good players identified on this forum. Quote
zippy5 Posted April 3, 2017 Report Posted April 3, 2017 The thing with the search firm is that pretty much everyone uses them. It's a low hanging fruit to argue with 1 Quote
zippy5 Posted April 3, 2017 Report Posted April 3, 2017 Indiana used one. Georgetown used one to come up with Ewing. Quote
ZachTheZip Posted April 3, 2017 Report Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) I would be surprised if search firms didn't include contract negotiation, background checks, and other legal/paperwork handling in their services. People get too caught up in the semantics of calling it a "search firm". It doesn't make sense not to use one, even if you have a specific person you're trying to hire. Coaching hires like this are major, major undertakings for Division I universities. It's not your normal hiring process. Edited April 3, 2017 by ZachTheZip Quote
skip-zip Posted April 3, 2017 Report Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Z.I.P. said: I wrote to AD Mike Bobinsky in 1994 (95?) requesting him to give John Loyer -- the candidate most closely associated with the Akron basketball program at the time -- an interview for the head coaching job after the departure of my friend Coleman Crawford. ZIP....you'd be interested to know that this article even states that Loyer was actually considered a Finalist for our job back then. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1995-03-30/sports/9503300092_1_hipsher-stetson-akron-job FYI.....Loyer's son is also an early verbal to Michigan State for the 2018 class. Could dad change that and instantly make him our first big-time recruit? Edited April 3, 2017 by skip-zip Quote
clarkwgriswold Posted April 3, 2017 Report Posted April 3, 2017 28 minutes ago, Hilltopper said: I was there too. Do you remember Ewing punching out Greg Dreiling in one of the preliminary games? I also remember a kid throwing a ball in Dreiling's face and the kid from Ewing's team breaking the backboard dunking in warmups. As I recall, Troy Taylor and Ronnie Stokes' team won that one. 1 Quote
ZippyRulz Posted April 3, 2017 Report Posted April 3, 2017 2 hours ago, clarkwgriswold said: Listened to Joe Dunn's show on the way home and he was speaking to a former Huggins assistant. I believe his last name was Moeller. He indicated a large number of people have shown interest in the UA job. He also repeatedly belittled Williams for having to hire a search firm. According to this guy, every AD should have a list of 5 or 6 guys always handy in the event that a coach moves on, and that search firms are just a way for an AD to cover his @$$. The guy was also a big proponent of Groce as he knows Ohio and has head coaching experience. Wistrcill had a list handy all right. Then we had to fix that by using a search firm that did enough due diligence to reach out to TB. Dude sounds like a goof. Quote
ZippyRulz Posted April 3, 2017 Report Posted April 3, 2017 If we have that many interested and qualified candidates, it will take the rest of the week just to reduce them to a short list. A lot of money is at stake and we can't afford a big boo-boo. Quote
NWAkron Posted April 3, 2017 Report Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) How will using a search firm cover the AD? Like Williams will say, "I just took the one the firm recommended. Really. It wasn't my choice." Utter nonsense. Having a middle man I think would help especially in a limited time frame. The firm could reach out to McDevitt or Ja Christian and see what the deal is before contact is made. If it's a 24-48 hour window, then a name should start floating around tomorrow. Edited April 3, 2017 by NWAkron 1 Quote
clarkwgriswold Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, ZippyRulz said: Wistrcill had a list handy all right. Then we had to fix that by using a search firm that did enough due diligence to reach out to TB. Dude sounds like a goof. Yes, the guy came off as an arrogant tool. Quote
kreed5120 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 It's pretty bad we have to rely on sketchy twitter handles, other teams message boards, and 1 ZN.o poster for our coaching updates. It would be nice if the local media at least made an effort to make it at least appear they were trying to cover the coaching search. 1 Quote
Z.I.P. Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, skip-zip said: ZIP....you'd be interested to know that this article even states that Loyer was actually considered a Finalist for our job back then. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1995-03-30/sports/9503300092_1_hipsher-stetson-akron-job FYI.....Loyer's son is also an early verbal to Michigan State for the 2018 class. Could dad change that and instantly make him our first big-time recruit? Thanks for that Skip -- I had to check, because I thought Foster Loyer was a UofM Wolverine recruit (Class of 2018). He IS going to be a Spartan Izzo -- and he's a Big Time Player. And he has a brother in 7th grade. Here's a clip of him talking about his upbringing. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/high-school/2017/01/13/foster-loyer-basketball/96521474/ Clarkston HS -- same as the Fife Brothers went to (older bro played with Fab 5) Interesting article from the Bobinski files too! Coleman always talked about finding his "battleship" in the middle, but could never come close. Team played in Hawai'i in 1991, and their starting center was a 6-7 white kid from Salem, Ohio. What a nice kid -- the opponents all agreed! Edited April 4, 2017 by Z.I.P. 1 Quote
akronzips71 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 Actually, search firms are often used as "cover". That is to say, it may be a lawsuit or NCAA violation if UA initiates contact with a coach currently under contract. But a search firm exists to do just that. And IF they bring the school together with a currently contracted coach, the "story" will be that the coach had contacted the firm looking for openings, or that the firm reached out to him unknown to the school. Plausible deny ability. It is done all the time in business, in fact, the company will use the search firm to reach out to someone they might be prohibited from contacting directly. 1 Quote
Bubba4three Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 11 hours ago, Gallucci said: Now finally for those of you thinking that Akron is a good job- IT IS NOT. Agreed. Quote
akronzips71 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 I hear that LeBron is going to announce his retirement tomorrow, followed by accepting the head coach job at Akron. Because he is a Zip Forever. Quote
mes102 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 32 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: It's pretty bad we have to rely on sketchy twitter handles, other teams message boards, and 1 ZN.o poster for our coaching updates. It would be nice if the local media at least made an effort to make it at least appear they were trying to cover the coaching search. What coaching search? Quote
Blackburn Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 A name that should be mentioned and isn't is Brett Reed... A LM guy that has success and was the one that saw the talent in Canton that no one did... Quote
skip-zip Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bubba4three said: Agreed. I could have guessed that was coming. 1 Quote
mes102 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) Here's what I'll say: If it's John Loyer or Jamion Christian, I'll buy season tickets. If it's Anthony Stewart or Russell Turner, i'll have to see his staff but I'll probably buy season tickets. Groce will be just single game tickets. If it's Jim Christian, the university will owe me season tickets. And if it's a curveball and my favorite, Nick McDevitt, as the next head coach, I'll buy myself season tickets and a random ZN.o poster season tickets Edited April 4, 2017 by mes102 2 Quote
NWAkron Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Blackburn said: A name that should be mentioned and isn't is Brett Reed... A LM guy that has success and was the one that saw the talent in Canton that no one did... Good. We need someone who can recruit Canton. It's going to be season tickets for me no matter what even if it's Jim Christian. (what else do I have to do Dec thru March than watch a train wreck twice a week) However, don't be surprised if George Thomas tweets that it's Jim Christian because he thinks Jim is short for Jamion. Edited April 4, 2017 by NWAkron 1 Quote
skip-zip Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, mes102 said: If it's Jim Christian, the university will owe me season tickets. Quote
Blue & Gold Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 23 minutes ago, Blackburn said: Brett Reed... A LM guy that has success and was the one that saw the talent in Canton that no one did... Huh? Quote
morris buttermaker Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 30 minutes ago, akronzips71 said: That is to say, it may be a lawsuit or NCAA violation if UA initiates contact with a coach currently under contract. But a search firm exists to do just that. And IF they bring the school together with a currently contracted coach, the "story" will be that the coach had contacted the firm looking for openings, or that the firm reached out to him unknown to the school. Plausible deny ability. It is done all the time in business, in fact, the company will use the search firm to reach out to someone they might be prohibited from contacting directly. I do not believe any permission is needed to contact other schools coaches.... at one time it was a courtesy, but that's it. Quote
Z.I.P. Posted April 4, 2017 Report Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, LZIp said: Interesting: According to our soccer friend Gauchodan from Santa Barbara, on the BigWest Board, Russell Turner is already the coach at New Mexico. I have not seen this independently. http://bigwest.yuku.com/reply/142118#reply-142118 Edited April 4, 2017 by Z.I.P. Quote
LZIp Posted April 4, 2017 Author Report Posted April 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, Blue & Gold said: Huh? Lehigh Mountain and CJ McCollum is my guess. 1 Quote
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