skip-zip Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Winning out, or not, is not the issue I'm addressing here. It's winning the MAC East. And we can't win the MAC East just by beating OU at home, if Miami keeps winning. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Just win baby 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 21 hours ago, LZIp said: I have never heard of getting an auto bid as a result of being a division winner. I agree wits most likely, but any proof to this? From Wikipedia: Mid-American Conference[edit] The division winners are guaranteed a bowl berth. 2017[9]: The Dollar General Bowl (traditionally conference champion, if not Group of Five team) versus Sun Belt The Camellia Bowl versus Sun Belt The Famous Idaho Potato Bowl versus Mountain West The Bahamas Bowl versus C-USA Secondary Agreements The Boca Raton Bowl if either the American or C-USA cannot fill their contracted slot The Quick Lane Bowl if either the ACC or Big 10 cannot fill their contracted slot. The Frisco Bowl if the American can't fill their slot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Just now, akronzips71 said: From Wikipedia: Mid-American Conference[edit] The division winners are guaranteed a bowl berth. 2017[9]: The Dollar General Bowl (traditionally conference champion, if not Group of Five team) versus Sun Belt The Camellia Bowl versus Sun Belt The Famous Idaho Potato Bowl versus Mountain West The Bahamas Bowl versus C-USA Secondary Agreements The Boca Raton Bowl if either the American or C-USA cannot fill their contracted slot The Quick Lane Bowl if either the ACC or Big 10 cannot fill their contracted slot. The Frisco Bowl if the American can't fill their slot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bids_to_college_bowl_games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 What you need to remember is that if OU loses to Toledo like Akron did and if OU has already beaten Miami,OU has 2 conference loses. Right? If Akron losses to Miami on the road they have 2 conference losses right? One in the division one outside the division,right? OU lost to Central previously. Thats 2 losses outside the division. Unless OU completely falls apart,which is unlikely, Zips, even if they lose to Miami and Toledo beats OU, HAVE to finally beat OU to win the division. When you are this close in November,you better do it yourself! It might be another 12 seasons before it happens again. And, for those who will settle for a bowl game,even if you lose the MAC Championship game you go to a bowl. Takes care of everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 On 10/23/2017 at 8:06 PM, ZippyRulz said: I would settle for that. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 In not so many words, Lee is correct. There doesn't appear to be any logical scenario that does NOT include beating OU. But as I said previously, we don't have to beat BOTH Miami and OU, if Miami losses to to OU on Tuesday. But, if we do beat both of them, and own both head-to-head tiebreakers, we would actually clinch the East title before our final game against Kent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Lee Adams said: Unless OU completely falls apart,which is unlikely, Zips, even if they lose to Miami and Toledo beats OU, HAVE to finally beat OU to win the division. When you are this close in November,you better do it yourself! It might be another 12 seasons before it happens again. And, for those who will settle for a bowl game,even if you lose the MAC Championship game you go to a bowl. Takes care of everything. I think all of us want however many paths the Zips can get to the MAC East Championship. 1. Easy one - win the next two and it's done regardless of what happens against Kent or what Miami or OU does. 2. A loss to OU - need some combination of Zips getting one more win than the Kittens (Beat Kent and Miami while OU loses to Miami and Toledo say) but it is still possible to win the division without beating OU. 3. A loss to Miami - Same scenario as #2, have Miami lose to OU, Ball St or EMU and Zips win their final two. If they trip up more than once Zips have breathing room but still very tough. 4. Lose to Miami and OU - Must beat Kent (as is always wanted :-)) OU must lose to Miami, Toledo and Buffalo, and Miami must lose to EMU and Ball St. Don't even want to think about this one. There are other scenarios too but lets see what happens Tuesday and things will be a little clearer. Just want as many chances for the Zips to win it as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGood Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) On 10/28/2017 at 7:41 PM, LZIp said: I have never heard of getting an auto bid as a result of being a division winner. I agree wits most likely, but any proof to this? I have seen it happen in cases where a team was 6-6 and then went to their conference championship game only to lose to become 6-7 but they would still get a bowl invite due to playing the extra nonscheduled game. If the Wikipedia excerpt above is correct then I stand corrected. In any case it would be unlikely to have a 5-7 or worse division champ in most seasons. Edited October 30, 2017 by GJGood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Ever wonder about the proliferation of bowls? Going back to 1986 when I started college, the bowl games were 18 or 19 through the year 1996. The only oddball year was 1988. There were 17 that year. Starting in 1997, the bowls began to grow. 1997-20 1998-22 1999-23 2000-25 2001-24 2002 through 2005-28 2006-32 2007&8-34 2009 through 2014-35 2015&16-41 2017-40 In today's college football, if you don't make a bowl. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LZIp Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, K92 said: Ever wonder about the proliferation of bowls? Going back to 1986 when I started college, the bowl games were 18 or 19 through the year 1996. The only oddball year was 1988. There were 17 that year. Starting in 1997, the bowls began to grow. 1997-20 1998-22 1999-23 2000-25 2001-24 2002 through 2005-28 2006-32 2007&8-34 2009 through 2014-35 2015&16-41 2017-40 In today's college football, if you don't make a bowl. . . I'd say there are really 39 in 2017/18. The AFR Celebration Bowl is between two FCS teams (MEAC/SWAC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGood Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, K92 said: Ever wonder about the proliferation of bowls? Going back to 1986 when I started college, the bowl games were 18 or 19 through the year 1996. The only oddball year was 1988. There were 17 that year. Starting in 1997, the bowls began to grow. 1997-20 1998-22 1999-23 2000-25 2001-24 2002 through 2005-28 2006-32 2007&8-34 2009 through 2014-35 2015&16-41 2017-40 In today's college football, if you don't make a bowl. . . True.... and then take into account the rule change allowing FCS/1-AA wins count toward the win total for eligibility as well... Edited October 30, 2017 by GJGood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, LZIp said: I'd say there are really 39 in 2017/18. The AFR Celebration Bowl is between two FCS teams (MEAC/SWAC). I stand corrected. Thank you. I just was curious and looked it up on the interwebs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 As for me, going to Detroit for the MACCG is more exciting (and meaningful) than any bowl game. I dare not say more than that in fear of the jinx. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 20 minutes ago, K92 said: As for me, going to Detroit for the MACCG is more exciting (and meaningful) than any bowl game. I dare not say more than that in fear of the jinx. If you have never been there,and there has only been one other in 2005,for long suffering Akron fans there is nothing better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) I will be there if we make it, but I'm not pumped at the thought of most likely getting throttled by Toledo again. They should be ranked within the next week or two. Edited October 30, 2017 by LZIp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 12 hours ago, MDZip said: I think all of us want however many paths the Zips can get to the MAC East Championship. 1. Easy one - win the next two and it's done regardless of what happens against Kent or what Miami or OU does. 2. A loss to OU - need some combination of Zips getting one more win than the Kittens (Beat Kent and Miami while OU loses to Miami and Toledo say) but it is still possible to win the division without beating OU. 3. A loss to Miami - Same scenario as #2, have Miami lose to OU, Ball St or EMU and Zips win their final two. If they trip up more than once Zips have breathing room but still very tough. 4. Lose to Miami and OU - Must beat Kent (as is always wanted :-)) OU must lose to Miami, Toledo and Buffalo, and Miami must lose to EMU and Ball St. Don't even want to think about this one. There are other scenarios too but lets see what happens Tuesday and things will be a little clearer. Just want as many chances for the Zips to win it as possible. That all looks the same as what I've been seeing. But like you say, it sure makes OU the required MUST WIN to have a logical path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr Z said: For those who don't know, there was a mad scramble within the athletic department in 2015 to get this lined up, when it looked like it was a good possibility that we'd go to the Bahamas. I'd say this is a good indication that we might be on the same path this year. I hope everyone learned something from that experience, and might be able to make it a little easier this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I doubt they know where they would be going this early. I imagine they would be getting these passports more as a just in case scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance99 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 3 hours ago, GJGood said: I have seen it happen in cases where a team was 6-6 and then went to their conference championship game only to lose to become 6-7 but they would still get a bowl invite due to playing the extra nonscheduled game. If the Wikipedia excerpt above is correct then I stand corrected. In any case it would be unlikely to have a 5-7 or worse division champ in most seasons. I think it depends on the situation. As I understand it correctly, all 6-6 teams must be taken first(unless on probation), then if you must take a school with a losing record, it will be based on APR first. I believe that is how Georgia Tech got a Bowl invite a few years back.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 6-7 teams get priority over 5-7 teams. In a system where ~60% of the teams make a bowl with fewer and fewer schools scheduling FCS opponents, its statistically improbable for a 6-6 or for a 6-7 team to not make a bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDMac Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Re: the passports. The administrative staff asked the players to get their passports squared away much earlier in the season. Some guys (mine was in this group) probably already had one and some probably did not. Some might have had one but it would be expiring soon so they had them renew. That being the case, I don't think the tweet from Camara indicates any behind the scenes information as to which bowl the Zips may get invited. Rather, I think it's the case, as @kreed5120 mentioned, that they're planning for all contingencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lee Adams Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 8 hours ago, LZIp said: I will be there if we make it, but I'm not pumped at the thought of most likely getting throttled by Toledo again. They should be ranked within the next week or two. No what!? Thats what 'the experts' said in 2005. No way Akron could beat NIU 2 times in one season. I assume you know how that ended? Not saying that this team is as good as JD's 2005 team,its not! But If these guys get on a roll I want to be in Detroit to see what happens. Better than what has happened the last 6 years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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